INXS - Need You Tonight
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Topic: INXS - Need You Tonight
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Subject: INXS - Need You Tonight
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 9:36am
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For such a simple song, it's amazing how many different ways it's been screwed up on CD. I'm not sure if all this has been documented in the database, so I'll list my findings here.
All 45 versions end with: "I've got to let you know", <pause> and a cappella: "You're one of my kind." On the Kick album and CD, the first 8 beats of the next song, "Mediate", follow after "You're one of my kind". The two tracks are the same tempo and flow nicely together, but I never understood why the track indices fall where they do. This clearly warrants the "tracks into the next selection" notation in Pat's book. One would think that if you were putting "Need You Tonight" on a compilation, you'd be able to edit the track properly to preserve the a cappella ending and nothing else. And yet... These CDs have remnants of "Mediate":
The following CD is bone-crushingly compressed/maximized:
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 10:47am
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Is the version on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-88 OK? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 10:50am
| "The Best of INXS" and "Shine Like It Does - The Anthology" have the acapella ending with no drum beats afterwards. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 5:25pm
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[QUOTE=sriv94] Is the version on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-88 OK?[/
QUOTE] This is the version we use on the air, and it ends with the acapella ending. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:55am
Cool info and right you are! I just checked the US pressing and "Devil Inside" kicks right after. I also have a 2 CD version of that same "Greatest Hits", I presume from the UK or Germany. On it, "Original Sin" comes after "Need You Tonight" and there is more space between tracks than on the US pressing. |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 7:52pm
| Crapfromthepast you should subscribe to the database as you will find additional information such as the fact that on the reissue of "Kick", Rhino 78204, the indexing error has been corrected. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 4:33pm
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just a note, my original 1987 Kick CD (pressed in Canada) with the same catalog number as the U.S. one does NOT contain the first beat of "Mediate" in "Need You Tonight". Just a simple indexing error on the U.S. CD! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 July 2007 at 9:13pm
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I'm glad to see this issue brought to the forefront and clarified in the database because I'm amazed at how many CDs contain the opening drumbeats of "Mediate" at the end of "Need You Tonight" when it is such an obvious track indexing error!
Now, I have heard the entire "Need You Tonight/Mediate" medley played on the radio before and it leads me to wonder... Was there ever an official "Need You Tonight/Mediate" promo 45 release, or did DJs simply play the songs back-to-back directly off the Kick album? My guess is the latter, but I figure it can't hurt to ask. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 12 July 2007 at 10:16pm
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I'm not sure if there was a promo 45, however there was definatly a promo 12". I don't own it, but Atlantic 2131 has a jacket that reads "Need You Tonight/Mediate" and includes the "7 inch Version" with a listed time of 3:01 on one side while the other includes the "LP Version" (presumably Need You Tonight/Mediate) listed at 5:36.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2007 at 10:40pm
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I have a copy of the commercial 12", but it's packed in storage at the moment. I can say for sure that the A-side has "Need You Tonight/Mediate" as one song, and it's labeled as "LP Version." Clear as mud.
Given that the promo 12" has the medley on one side (as 995wlol points out), I'd say it's not out of the question that a 45 exists with the same configuration. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 13 July 2007 at 12:45am
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 July 2007 at 12:57pm
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Ah, so commercial 12" copies and some DJ 12" copies contained the "Need You Tonight/Mediate" medley. Thanks, Aaron, Jim, and 995wlol for helping clear this up.
Also, I've never been a big music video guy, but I remember seeing a version of the "Need You Tonight" video back in the '80s where "Mediate" immediately followed and featured, I believe, the band members rapidly tossing about hand-written signs containing words ending in "ate". |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 July 2007 at 3:07pm
| Todd, you're correct. The video for "Need You Tonight" included the "Mediate" part. When the song was current, I only remember MTV playing the long version. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 04 December 2009 at 12:30pm
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The "Need You Tonight" situation is more complicated than the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If I'm correct, you cannot create the true 45 version from the album version, and here's why:
The REVERB from the final word "kind" tracks into the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If you just cut off the song before the first drumbeat of "Mediate," that reverb will be clipped. The two-disc "Billboard #1 Hits of the '80s" contains what I presume is the true 45 version -- the reverb after the final word is allowed to fade out. The version on "Razor & Tie Presents Awesome '80s" clips the reverb at the end. Somebody with the cassingle or the 45 should confirm this (and I'd like to hear it, if I could). I've long suspected this, and the Billboard CD indicates I'm probably correct. (I thought I'd brought this up in a thread before, but apparently not, as I can't find it.) |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 09 December 2009 at 8:29am
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It states "Edited from Atlantic LP 81796 "Kick"" on the U.S. commercial 45 of "Need You Tonight" record label. I can't clearly decide because my LP "Kick" is a Japanese pressing.
The time length of from the first on the lyric "You're one of my kind" till the end on the U.S. 45 is :02.008. But the time length of from the first on the lyric "You're one of my kind" until just before the start of "Mediate" on the LP is :01.886. If the U.S. LP is identical to the Japan LP. The 45 is surely edited from the LP. As a result I think that it doesn't make much difference whether the 45 or the LP. But it is possible to distinguish between the 45 source and the LP's. --abagon |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:45pm
Brian, I'm noticing what you mean here. I listened to my copy on Awesome '80s, and the word "kind" is sort of cut off at the end. It's sounds like, "you're one of my kine." On the promo CD "Atlantic's Year In Review 1987," the full word "kind" can be heard, and you can clearly hear the "d" (almost sounds like a "t") and the trailing reverb. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 6:52pm
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Very good ears, Brian, abagon and Aaron! Re-listened to all the different versions I have, and will summarize...
Versions that are edited from the Kick version (tracking into "Mediate"):
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 06 August 2010 at 4:28pm
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the cd below
(S)(3:01) Rhino 78084 Billboard #1s: The ‘80s contains the true 45 version, with the last word as "kind" and not as "kine".....i checked the vinyl 45 and it also has the full "kind" and NOT "kine"......this should be noted in the db.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 8:15pm
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Post withdrawn ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 8:23pm
| I just pulled my copy of Best Of, where "Need You Tonight" is the first track, and the full "kind" is on that disc. It doesn't abruptly cut off at the end like on my copy of Awesome '80s. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 9:07pm
Yup. I just downloaded it from iTunes. ------------- |
Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 27 February 2019 at 8:56pm
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If I follow correctly:
1) on the original LP version, the end of the final word "kind" overlaps with the beginning of "Mediate". 2) on the original 45 version, the final word "kind" continues for as long as it does on the LP version (the last letter of the word, and the reverb that follows it, are clearly audible), but it doesn't overlap with the beginning of "Mediate" (relative to the LP version, the beginning of "Mediate" has been mixed out). 3) any version in which the final word "kind" does not overlap with "Mediate" because it is cut off before the point where "Mediate" starts on the original LP version (chopping off the last letter of the word - so it sounds more like "kine" than "kind" - and the reverb that follows it) is an unsuccessful attempt to create the 45 version from the LP version Is the difference in whether the beginning of "Mediate" is mixed in under the end of the final word "kind" the only difference between the 45 and LP versions? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 February 2019 at 9:47pm
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That's correct, and we're probably talking less than a second difference between the two. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 12 August 2020 at 8:44pm
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Just revisiting this song, 13 years later.
45 version (ends in a full word "kind", with the "d" clearly pronounced) Of the twenty-four (!) versions of "Need You Tonight" that I have on CD, only five have the full "kind" at the very end:
Unfortunately, if you want to own the absolute true 45 version (with the full kind at the end), the only reasonably inexpensive option is The Best Of INXS (2002), which is loud. LP version (cuts off the "d" in the word "kind", and tracks into the next song on Kick, "Mediate") Atlantic's full-length INXS album Kick (1987) sounds really good, as you might expect. The following discs all use the same analog transfer as Kick:
The mastering style in 1987 used an enormous dynamic range, with plenty of headroom and very little compression/limiting. It sounded terrific, as you might imagine. Unfortunately, in later years, the mastering style was to bump up the volume, so that your CD was louder than other CDs. (It's called the loudness war; read up on it if you haven't heard of it before.) This meant that INXS greatest hits discs, released well after 1987, had to clip the peaks of "Need You Tonight" or apply extra compression/limiting in order to be loud enough to compete in the loudness war. It's not ideal. Atlantic's Greatest Hits (1994) uses a new analog transfer, and clips quite a bit. It runs 108.8 BPM here. The same analog transfer is used on:
Others:
If you're looking for "Need You Tonight", I'll assume that the promo CD single and Atlantic's Year In Review 1987 are not realistic choices, unless you somehow already own them. Which means that you'll get the LP version, which is quickly faded to cut off the "d" in the word "kind". Personally, I love the Kick album, and it has enough hits to stand on its own as a worthwhile collection of chart hits. If you want the song on a compilation, try and find one that's based on the mastering for Kick. I do like Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994), but it's only about as good as other Warner Special Products collections from that time frame (13 years ago, I spent too much time on the Steve Hoffman forum). The JCI disc has a few slightly early fades to fit so many songs on the disc. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 August 2020 at 8:50am
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Ron,
You are too kind . Thanks for the breakdown. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |