Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids
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Topic: Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids
Posted By: EdisonLite
Subject: Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:17pm
| Does anyone have the version of the top 40 hit "Did You Boogie (With Your Baby)" by Flash Cadillac WITHOUT Wolfman Jack BUT IN STEREO? And can you tell me the matrix info and anything else to identify this version? I know it exists on vinyl but it may be mislabeled in some way and I have not been able to find this particular 45 anywhere. Even Australian and UK 45s I've bought on ebay have not had this version. |
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 21 July 2007 at 9:57am
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Yes, EdLite
I have "Did You Boogie" SANS Wolfman Jack in STEREO on a digital dub (probly from clean vinyl). I have NO IDEA where I got it from (I think from the old Napster days where virtually everything was on there for a brief moment). It is a better mix than the Wolfman version. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 July 2007 at 4:52pm
| I have that mp3, too, from the Napster days, from clean vinyl. I just can't figure out what vinyl source exactly it came from. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 22 July 2007 at 7:32am
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Wow, interesting!
Are you telling me that the USA promo 45s that you've come across are mono only? |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 22 July 2007 at 10:04am
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In terms of all the 45s I've ever seen (including about 40 on ebay), the commercial 45 has never had the non-Wolfman version at all. And the promo 45 has the Wolfman on one side and non-Wolfman version on the other, both clearly identified on the label and both in mono. But there must be a 3rd incarnation of the record (either here or as an import 45) because the napster mp3 (non-Wolfman in STEREO) comes from vinyl. But the Australian and Canadian Private Stock 45s I bought of this had the non-Wolfman version in mono, too.
Does anyone have any 45s of this song that differ from the ones I describe above? |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 22 July 2007 at 11:07pm
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Just a thought...
I wonder if maybe first pressings of the Flash Cadillac album 'Sons Of The Beaches' had a stereo version without the Wolfman? As all of us here know, that happened once-in-awhile back in the Seventies. An album would get released without a single (or at least a hit single) because the band had a touring-based following. Radio stations would suggest a possible single, record companies would refashion the single for hopefully more commercial prospects. When the song became a hit, the refashioned version would be substituted on the LP--and a lot more of this pressing hit the stores. Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:11am
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Actually, your theory reminded me ...
The Flash Cadillac album "Sons of the Beaches" had TWO incarnations! The first one did not include "Did you Boogie" at all. After the song started taking off, they re-did the LP, adding one new song - "Did You Boogie" WITH Wolfman. I have never seen an LP without Wolfman on the song. And I've checked LPs for years. There are only these 2 versions, as far as I can tell. Maybe a foreign LP has the mystery version. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:33am
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Wow,
Thanks for the information! Andy |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 10:40pm
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Hi all, new poster here, although I've used Pat's books for years. I'm a former radio station music director/jock and worked briefly for a record distributor in the mid-'70s. If some of these old topics are bumped up (like this one) I'm the guilty party, but have info to add.
I have the STEREO "Did You Boogie" both with AND without Wolfman Jack. My promotions job for the record distributor (Heilicher Bros. in Minneapolis) was during the time that the single was current. I have three configurations of Private Stock 45079 with matrix numbers as follows: 1. Mono/mono promo copy: PVT 1184-M... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman PVT 1185-M... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman Neither side's label makes any mention of whether or not Wolfman Jack is on the record; you have to play it to find out. "Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music 2. Stereo/stereo stock copy PVT 1184... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind" "Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music 3. Stereo/stereo stock copy PVT 1185... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman "WITH WOLFMAN JACK" printed in caps below matrix # PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind" "Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Goblet Music Bottom line: the STEREO, WITHOUT Wolfman stock 45 bears matrix # PVT 1184. In addition, Private Stock issued a 12-inch promo LP, titled http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/PrivateStockSalesPresentationpromoL.jpg - Sales Presentation (PSR 1-SP/PSR 2-SP) in a plain white cardboard jacket with a Private Stock logo sticker on the front cover. The last track on side two is listed on the label as "from the LP 'Sons Of The Beaches,'" but the track itself is the stereo version of "Did You Boogie.." *without* Wolfman Jack. Because there are eight cuts on side two of this LP, the audio level is much lower than on the second 45 configuration above, and turntable rumble is fairly evident. It was while I was back in the warehouse checking stock on the "Beaches" album that I first noticed that there were two variations, one of which did not include "Did You Boogie." That led me over to the 45 department to check out stock copies, and that was where I found both the with and without Wolfman stereo stock copies. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 11:08pm
| Yah Shure, welcome to the Board!! And don't worry about "dredging up" old posts, sir. Info like the stuff you just provided to us for "Did You Boogie..." is valued like gold nuggets around here, so please, "dredge away"!! |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:24am
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Hello 'Yah Shure',
Thank you for providing all the specifics that no one before has been able to provide! Andy |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:26am
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Thanks, Jim and Andy.
Andy, if you got your mp3 from Napster v.1, and it's a variable bitrate file, it likely came from my 45. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 5:27pm
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Yah Sure:
Welcome to the forum! I've learned so much here since joining in June of this year! At 48, I'm collecting and cleaning up vinyl again. Often, it's the only way to get the proper 45 versions. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 6:09pm
Interesting. I also have 3 copies of the single. Don't have the mono/mono promo copy handy, but it definitely mentions with/without Wolfman on the label. My stereo/stereo stock copy (with Wolfman) lists the publisher as Ashton Music BMI, not Goblet. The stereo/stereo stock copy without Wolfman is the same as yours. No mention of the Wolfman. Curiously, this copy uses the same gray label as the promo (though no mention of it actually being a promo, though it did come from a radio station)...does yours? The stock copy with Wolfman has a multi-tone brown label. |
Yah Shure wrote:Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:26pm
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Hykker, all three of my promo copies are identical, without any "with" or "without" designation. All three promo copies and both stock copies were pressed by Columbia's Terre Haute plant. When you run across your mono/mono promo copy, check to see if it's a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing. I thought I'd remembered seeing a mono/mono promo that designated "with" and "without" sides as yours does; perhaps it was at one of the stations where I worked.
My stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman carries the usual multi-tone brown stock label. It appears that your stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman on the gray label, minus any promo markings is quite the oddball. Is it a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing, and which publishing credit does it carry? Does anyone else have yet other with/without/Ashton/Goblet combinations? I always thought the Chalice Productions logo on the label was rather interesting. You could interpret it either as a goblet or as two women about to kiss. :) Eriejw, thanks for the welcome! Since discovering the board a couple of days ago, I've been happily hunting through my 45s to reacquaint myself with versions that I haven't played in years since CDs took over. "Elenore" and the mono "Operator" were real ear-openers. So many contributors have come up with differences that I had never noticed, and it's great to see many of the specific differences pointed out in ways that the books weren't able to do. I'm not much of a CD buyer anymore (can you say "hearing aids?") but when it comes to helping to provide vinyl background, I'll be here. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 10:35pm
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Yah Sure, thanks so much for all this info! I've been trying to figure this one out for years. (It's a favorite of mine, and it peaked at #1 on my personal chart.) I've only found the mono non-Wolfman 45, and every stereo 45 I've bought (which is plenty) has always had Wolfman. I even bought imports, hoping to find the right version there.
And welcome to the board! |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 5:36pm
It's a Bestway pressing. Scans of this record can be viewed at: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/hykker/Flash1.jpg - Flash1 http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/hykker/Flash2.jpg - Flash2
Another Bestway pressing. Here's the scan: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/hykker/Flash3.jpg - Flash3 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 8:45pm
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Hykker, thanks for the scans! In doing side-by-side comparisons, Flash3 appears to be on a stock label. There's a faint brown tone that is apparent when juxtaposed with the two gray Bestway labels. I have a couple of other titles that are Bestway-pressed stock Private Stock 45s, and on some, the brown is a more muted shade than on the Columbia, PRC and Specialty pressings.
Here are the Flash Cadillacs I have: http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/prattup/FlashCadillac-DidYouBoogiepromo.jpg - Mono promo, both sides http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/prattup/FlashCadillac-DidYouBoogiestock.jpg - Stereo stock 45s, without and with Wolfman Jack EdLite, thanks for the welcome! I know how frustrating it is trying to track down those holy grails. Thanks to Hykker's imput, it looks like PVT 1184 is the determining factor. Had I known 31 years down the road that you'd be looking for it, I'd have set aside that entire 25-count box of stock PVT 1184s. :( PS - It's Yah Shure with an "h," as in Shure Brothers. Now you know whose cartridge I use! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 3:42pm
| The actual commercial 45 run time of Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids' "Did You Boogie (with Your Baby)" is 2:53 and, as already established, features Wolfman Jack. (Thanks to Jim for providing the timing info. The printed record label time is 2:51.) I'm passing this along because the song's database CD entries featuring Wolfman Jack run 2:47-2:53. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 5:27pm
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I'd timed all of my "Boogie" 45s back in late '07, but never got around to posting the results (and they do vary.) These are all Columbia Terre Haute pressings, which may account for the two-second difference in what Todd just reported for Jim's 45:
WITH Wolfman Jack: Mono DJ 45........(2:54) Stereo stock 45..(2:55) WITHOUT Wolfman Jack: Mono DJ 45........(2:50) Stereo stock 45..(2:48) BTW, Gordon confirmed that the Napster mp3 he'd mentioned in the thread's third post was, indeed, taken from my 45. He'd thought I'd faded it out too early, so I sent him a raw needledrop just to prove that I hadn't. :) It turns out that the sans-Wolfman stock 45 fades out seven seconds earlier than the with-Wolfman stock 45. Hykker, any timing details for your copies? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 6:18pm
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Since this was a 1976 song, I was volunteering at a community station and we didn't play music. This was a year before I began on commmercial radio.
What version garnered more airplay? WITH or WITHOUT the Wolfman? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 May 2009 at 9:53pm
| The WITHOUT Wolfman version was played very heavily here in the Twin Cities on U100 AM-FM during its final weeks. Once KDWB-AM took over the U100 FM signal that September, I didn't recall hearing "Boogie" there or anywhere else locally. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 1:59am
| The WITHOUT Wolfman version was the ONLY version ever played on all the Boston stations. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 5:27am
| I was living in the Seattle area in 1976. Of the 3 Top-40 stations in the market KTAC played the "no Wolfman" version. I don't recall hearing the song on either KJR or KING. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 8:24am
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Some information: There was a syndicated Wolfman Jack program back then on radio. The stations who didn't carry that program didn't want to air the song with Wolfman. The Promo copies had a version without Wolfman for those stations who didn't want to spotlight the competition in any way. This issue might have even hampered the song's chart success a little. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 11:32pm
| Interesting background info, KentT... Thanks! |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 5:34am
Do you have anything to back this up, or is it just speculation? The Wolfman was everywhere in the mid-70s, and several songs had guest appearances by him ("Clap For The Wolfman", some Canadian act did a remake of "Hit The Road Jack" around that time too, I don't know if it was the real Wolfman or a soundalike in "Don't Call Us We'll Call You"), he even put out a couple singles himself. I'm guessing it was just a creative decision by Private Stock records to offer an alternate mix of the song & had nothing to do with the Wolfman's syndicated show. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 3:07pm
| Our station aired a syndicated Wolfman oldies show on the weekend, but I am certain that this was during the 1980-81-82 time period. While it is certainly possible that the Wolfman was also doing this type of a show back in the summer of '76, I'm not that sure. I know he signed a contract with 660AM/WNBC in late 1974. This was right around the same time that WNBC lured away longtime WABC night jock "Cousin' Brucie" Morrow, as WNBC made their most serious attempt to cut into WABC's NYC market ratings dominanace. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:23am
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Mutual Radio Network had a Wolfman Jack show aired on weekends back then in syndication on some Mutual stations. There was a Varese CD reissue of the album and this was explained in the liner notes. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 12:51am
| Kent, my experience has been that some liner note writers take more care to research the accuracy of their statements than others do. I have unfortunately found a good number of inaccurate statements made within liner notes. Even as recently as for one of the new James Brown 45 Hip-O Select 2-CD volumes. Liner note info there initially threw Pat and I for a loop when I guest reviewed it for him, and then mentioned the statement to Pat for clarity - we soon 100% disproved it's accuracy. I'm not saying that your Wolfman Varese liner note info is necessarily wrong, Kent. Just keep in mind the horrible gaffe inside the "History-America's Greatest Hits" liner notes. For "Muskrat Love", it laudes Dewey, Gerry And Dan for their "stellar remake of the Captain & Tennille original"!! This is wrong. America's version was the original. Although not a Top 40 hit by them (probably resulting in it sneaking past the writer's awareness), it was released as a 45 back in the summer of '73. This was more than three years before Toni & Daryl's remake hit the Top 10 in the fall of '76. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 11:13am
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I've found a lot of mistakes in liner notes, too. And as for the subject of this thread, I'm reminded of a mistake regarding the Flash Cadillac & Continental Kids CD on Varese Sarabande (albeit, not a liner notes writer's mistake.) I was working with Varese shortly before they started working on this CD, and when they did start, even though I wasn't involved with the project, I encouraged them to include the "without Wolfman Jack" version on the CD as well as the "with" version. They did. But when I inquired about using a stereo version of the "without Wolfman" version, Varese asked the band and they responded that it only existed in mono - the band supplied the mono 45 and that's why there's a mono version of that on the CD! I had recorded the song off the radio back in 1976 and still had the cassette - which was "without Wolfman" IN STEREO - so I don't know why the band denied its existence (they probably just didn't know any better), but I didn't know where my radio station had gotten its stereo version, so there was no info I could give to Varese. This occured long before John Platt explained to me (and us on this board) just where the stereo version existed.
Of course, the fact that there weren't going to be any master tapes used for this CD (Private Stock stuff) made this mistake less painful (for me) because it meant, as a fan of the song, I'd need a good cleaned vinyl version of the song in stereo, which I eventually got with John P's help - he did a nice cleaning and I tweaked it a bit more to make it CD quality. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 2:02pm
IIRC, you're thinking of the Stampeders (same group that did "Sweet City Woman"). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: tedler
Date Posted: 04 August 2011 at 5:36am
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In my listening area (in 1976) Rhode Island, they never played the Wolfman version. I only ever heard the non-Wolfman.
I remember being very angry when I bought the 45 back then, got it home and stuck it on my record player, and it had Wolfman talking all over that awesome song. So I had to make due with my K-Mart Cassette recording off the radio station...for YEARS! :-( I have the track now, and it is SO great to hear it without you-know-who. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 04 August 2011 at 7:53am
I'm reasonably sure that it was Jerry Corbetta doing an impression of the Wolfman. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 7:28pm
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The station I worked for played this track first in the market, "With Wolfman Jack" and we didn't even carry the Wolfman Jack program (And we were a staunchly Mutual affiliate to the network's demise). Our PD felt like Wolfman's part, rea1ly made the song. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 7:17am
Actually, it was Wolfman Jack himself who contributed the brief "Stereo 92" line in Sugarloaf/Jerry Corbetta's "Don't Call Us, We'll Call You". But there were other hit songs that had imitations of Wolfman's trademark gravelly voice... Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show's "The Cover of 'Rolling Stone'" and the Pipkins' "Gimme Dat Ding" immediately come to mind. Just a few weeks ago, I listened to streaming audio of an old syndicated Wolfman Jack show and it made me feel like I missed out on a golden era of radio. Unfortunately, his career had pretty much wound down by the time I was even old enough to know and appreciate who he was. |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 22 February 2022 at 7:25pm
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Interestingly, I was at a used book store an hour from my
house that sells used records and found a 45 of "Did You Boogie" for $1. It looked hardly played, so I bought it and lo and behold it's the stereo non-Wolfman version (PVT-1184-1; it has "AZ" followed by what looks like 2 stick drawn seagulls a 1/4 turn or so afterwards). I'm so used to the Wolfman version from the "Have A Nice Day" series that this sounds off. I don't remember hearing this song much back in the day, so I don't know what version was played in the Milwaukee area. A year or two after this record came out, however, I had an opportunity to stand in a long line to meet Wolfman Jack and get his autograph. Even though I was probably 12, I thought of him as a huge star back then. Ahh, the days of radio personalities. Jon O. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 23 February 2022 at 12:29am
I don't even remember the song at all. I don't think it was played around the stations in STL. I'm probably wrong about that though as I seem to be saying that a lot. I'm guessing if they did play it, it must have died out quickly. I listened to a non-Wolfman version on youtube, and it didn't ring any bells for me. I'm going to pull down the Have a nice Day series and listen to the Wolfman. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 March 2022 at 8:35pm
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I've had several 45 RPM singles of this track, all of them
are Wolfman Jack version. Jono, where are you from? In the Eastern Tennessee area, all I've seen is Wolfman Jack. I saw your deadwax info, thanks. I hope to find a copy. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 March 2022 at 8:42pm
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Sorry for the misposting earlier. There was a US military
recruiting Wolfman Jack show from recruiters. This was his Armed Forces Radio Show on Public Service transcription discs. As weekend air talent and studio engineer when "Did You Boogie" was new, these discs were common fare for me as fill ins when I needed to repair automation equipment in the day. We didn't play them all the time, but when we needed fill in music on the AM side, those got saved for me to air.Went through storage, and found I had one. It is also US Air Force. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 03 March 2022 at 9:51pm
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I heard an AT40 Casey Kasem replay that utilized the
Wolfman Jack version of "Did You Boogie..." not too long ago. I'm not sure if the track only had Jack on it because it was 'remastered' from newer CD sources (i.e. the Have a Nice Day series) or if the Wolfman appeared on the track as originally broadcast. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 March 2022 at 1:58am
Casey only played the Wolfman version on the original AT40 broadcasts. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 04 March 2022 at 6:43am
While it doesn't seem to be very common, Yahshure confirmed upthread that the non-Wolfman version was commercially released. My copy came from a radio station, but has no promo markings on it, dunno if it was strictly a radio reservice or not. |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 04 March 2022 at 11:12am
Hi KentT, I’m from Central Wisconsin; the 45 I bought was in Northeastern Wisconsin, although it was from a chain bookstore (1/2 Priced Books). It was a pleasant surprise to me to find a copy, especially since this is the same city I got Wolfman Jack to sign an autograph in 1977-78. Jon O. |