Question 67 & 69 (1969 version)
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Topic: Question 67 & 69 (1969 version)
Posted By: BillCahill
Subject: Question 67 & 69 (1969 version)
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:55pm
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Pat has correctly noted in the databaase that the 1969 single on this song is a different mix. The 1971 version is merely an edit from stereo LP version and the mono a fold down from the stereo. In 1969 Question 67 and 68 was mixed with a lot of extra punch for AM radio.
But what I hadn't noticed until this weekend when I listened to it again, is that there is extra percussion (probably shakers) only in the 1969 single issue. It's during the instrumental break. Just an FYI. |
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Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 9:50am
| one of my favorite early chicago songs, especially the "60's au go-go" instrumental break! is the 1969 mix available anywhere besides the 45??? |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 3:55pm
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I believe that's the only place to find that mix. Even re-issue 45s contained the later, 1971 single edit which is just an edit of the album mix. Even the mono Columbia Hall of Fame re-issues were just a fold down of the stereo single version.
For years the Columbia Hall of Fame re-issue 45 would have on the label, Question 67 and 68 [English Version]. That was because whomever put the re-issue out took the label information from one of the promo 45s which had the "English" version on one side and the "Japanese" version on the B side. Which was live. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 8:10pm
Actually, I believe it's just the same backing track with new Japanese vocals. I have an mp3 of this song in Japanese, and it's definitely Peter Cetera singing in Japanese, and it's definitely a studio recording. (Unless there are TWO Japanese versions...) |
BillCahill wrote:Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 9:59pm
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Chicago did do a live version of it in Japanese....but the promo single with the japanese version was only for the reserviced promo single, i believe, and not the original, and is a studio version with the original backing track, it is not the full lp length so i assume it is the length of the US edit version. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:41am
| Cool.. thanks for that update.. I thought that promo B side was from Live in Japan, obviously not. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 10 August 2007 at 10:25am
| do any of you fine gentlemen collectors perhaps have available an mp3 of the 1969 single... it would be greatly appreciated! |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 10 August 2007 at 1:10pm
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I also would like an mp3 of the 1969 single if someone has it available. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 11:17am
| ok, well it seems no one has a digital copy of this available, does anyone have the catalog number of the 1969 version, and what was the b-side??? was it the japanese version (live or not)??? was that just the promo??? i've seen a few original 45's available on e-bay, but with "i'm a man" on the flip, i assume this is the 1971 version... |
Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 11:35am
| The 1969 version had "Listen" as the flip side...which also became the flip side od "Does Anybody Really Know hat Time It Is". |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 6:52pm
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Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:17pm
| this has to be a first! none of our esteemed collectors and sound hounds on this site knows where to find a copy of this 45??? i am truly baffled... |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:40pm
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For those of you that search by numbers, the 1969 version is Columbia 4-44909 with the B side Listen. The 1971 version is Columbia 4-45467 with the B side I'm A Man. Unfortunately I only have the later version. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 2:33pm
| I can certanly make an MP3 available but I don't know which side of the DJ promo was the stock. The DJ has side A as edited version. 3:07. Side B is 4:45. the edit is an edit of the 4:45 mono long side mix. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 3:27pm
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Would love to have mp3s of both of those, however i would suspect that the edited version made it to the stock 45....what are the matrix numbers on each side?
::edit:: a picture of the stock 45 on ebay for Columbia 4-44909 shows a label time of 3:07, and it looks like the matrix might be ZSP 151534. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486953101 4 ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 4:42pm
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The 3:07 side is JZSP 151568. Trail adds 1C
The 4:45 side is JZSP 151534. Trail adds 1A. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 7:53pm
| My brand new Joel Whitburn 1955-2005 Pop Annual lists a time of (4:45) for the 1969 charted version of this. This leads me to believe the copy that RR owns features that timing for the commercial 45. Perahps Paul Haney can check for us. I always thought the (3:07) side only appeared on the DJ 45, but perhaps there were two different 1969 commercial 45s issued. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 7:55pm
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Looks to me like perhaps the 45 on ebay that i linked earlier seems to show the matrix for the longer version but shows the time for the shorter version....and now im confused as to what actually made it onto the 45!
Could someone provide both long and short versions of it in mp3s to me? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 9:16am
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I finally got to the commercial 45's for this one:
1969 commerical 45 (Columbia 44909) states and runs (4:45). Deadwax: ZSP 151534-1D B-side: "Listen" 1971 commercial 45 (Columbia 45467) states and runs (3:25). Deadwax: ZSS 155935-1F B-side: "I'm A Man" |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 9:46am
| I just purchased the 4-44909 45 on ebay and dubbed it off. It is the 4:45 version. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 22 August 2007 at 10:38am
| big thumbs up to eriejwg for the 1969 45 version! to say this version is mixed differently is an understatement! it almost sounds like an alternate vocal take, but i don't think it is, just mixed way up and drowned in reverb... did someone mention extra percussion??? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 22 August 2007 at 7:48pm
| It is a wonderful track. Many thanks to Bill Cahill for pointing out the differences between the 1969 and 1971 versions. :) |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 7:16pm
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Hey! Nice needle drops!
I do not hear any added instrumentation or added reverb at all. It's just that the vocals, drums, piano, and horns were mixed up way loud to sound good on the radio. ------------- |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 4:18am
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I thought there was added reverb when I first heard it but after careful listening it's just the reverb on the vocal that's already there. It sounds louder due to the hotter vocal mix, and the extra compression brings it out more.
Sounds like extra shakers added in the instrumental section at 2:47. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 6:47am
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Bill:
After you pointed out the added shakers a couple weeks back, and going back and listening to the 1971 GH v2 edit, I hear them in 1969's version, not 1971's. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 7:57am
| gave a listen to lp version from "group portrait" vs. 45 version and did not notice any extra shakers, they are just mixed up higher in the 45 version (at least to my ears)... also, check out the reverb on the penultimate line of the song "yes it does now baby" sounds like it was recorded in a cave, but just that one line... also sustain on last note trimmed about 20" |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 8:49am
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How comparable were the edits in the 1969 DJ 45 and the 1971 commercial 45 (there's about a 18 second difference in times)? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:18pm
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Not comparable on the edits. You probably know where they made the first edit on the introduction for the 1971 version, THAT'S the starting point of the 1969 DJ version. They started it right in the middle of the guitar wailing and it sounds pretty obvious.
Both edits chop out the second verse. For the 1969 edit they made the edit AFTER the chorus section "I'd like to know... " In 1971 they edited it right as the chorus starts. So the 1969 version sings something like "yeah yeah yeah" at the end of the first chorus, 1971 has "yes it does now baby" as it's actually chorus 2. As far as the shakers or tambourine or whatever it is, yes there are some on the album version and 1971 single version, it just sounds like there is MORE on the 1969 single, and it's not just a mix difference, the shakers are faster and more vigorous. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:45pm
| ok, bill, thanks for the detailed description! i will check it out... one thing for sure, though, there is definitely more reverb on the '69 single version (see previous post)... also, i was checking out a thread on a song lyric chat room and one guy claims the the title of "questions 67 & 68" refers to the "afterglow" the author had after free love encounters in 1967 and 1968... hmmm, i always thought it was about the ever-so-slightly disguised observations of the 1968 Chicago Democratic convention... |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 4:08pm
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But, if you turn up the vocal track with reverb already added, of course you will hear more of it, and it will stand out more in the mix.
It seems to me that the original mono single version is the longest released version, and even the LP version was cut from it. No wonder the single failed in 1969. Too long. I don't know how many stations played the long version as opposed to the LP or DJ edit, but it was a time when radio was trying to break out of the three-minute single mode. ------------- |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 7:43pm
| Yet another incarnation. I just found a 1969 stock copy. It runs 4:45. But the label states 3:07. |