Tommy Roe "Sweet Pea"
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Topic: Tommy Roe "Sweet Pea"
Posted By: jrjr
Subject: Tommy Roe "Sweet Pea"
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 8:35am
| i don't know if anyone has noticed, but the mix of "sweet pea" on varese "sunshine days, vol 4" is very different than any mix i've heard before (i used MCA "vintage music vol. 17 & 18" for my reference)... i don't have a 45 copy, but i'm fairly certain the sound was keyboard heavy, while the varese mix has guitar up and different vocals... can anyone shed some light on this? |
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Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 11:56am
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I believe that have been two mixes out there for a while, one with the vocals mostly to one side and another with the vocals centered. I don't know which surfaced and when.
I do know that ABC and Dunhill stuff would show up with different mixes. Midnight Confessions by the Grass Roots had one mix on 16 Greatest Hits and then another on the "ABC Collection" in 1976. The ABC Collection mix can be found on the Vintage CD on MCA. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 12:55pm
| The version I have from Tommy Roe's Greatest Hits has vocals centered. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 2:20pm
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The version with the vocal off to one side and the drums in the center channel is the original LP mix. The version with centered vocals is a re-mix done for a greatest hits lp. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 9:01pm
Having a little trouble deciphering--which one's on the Varese CD? (Or is it neither?) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
TomDiehl1 wrote:Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 4:56am
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there are also two distinct stereo mixes of "Sheila". One where the drums start off alternating center and left channel then staying mostly left, with the vocals and other instrumentation up center (the drums thing happens again at 1:03).
My other stereo mix has drums and Tommy's vocal center, with guitar left and organ and background vocals right. Anyone know the story here? Same as "Sweet Pea" perhaps? I had intended to start a thread on these various different mixes, but haven't got around to it. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 10:23am
Yes same as Sweet Pea. One was the original LP mix, one was the Greatest Hits lp remix. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 10:24am
If the varese cd has centered vocals, it is the version remixed for the greatest hits album. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 11:43am
That's not what I meant (sorry for the confusion). I'm having trouble figuring out with my meager ears whether the vocals are centered or not on the Varese CD version. It doesn't sound like they are, but I'm not sure. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 11:46am
| To throw another wrench in, my copy of "Sheila" from Tommy Roe Greatest Hits is mono. Everything is centered, lol. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 11:48am
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I would assume that mono mix in the 45 mix. I've heard it too. Quite a different sound and feel from the stereo mixes. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 12:39pm
I just checked my mp3s -- the version of Sheila off Tommy Roe's Greatest Hits cd is mono (yes -- 45 version), the only other version I still have as an mp3 has the drums mostly centered, sometimes panning to the right a little bit, acoustic guitar is left, electric guitar is right, background vocals are right. Don't hear an organ on this song at all....i didn't like the other mix i had heard of the song so i didn't end up keeping a copy of it....stupid me, such things could always come in handy, as i've learned. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:00pm
| on the stereo version of "sweet pea" from MCA's VM, the vocals are hard to one side... on the varese disc the vocal is not centered, but rather mixed to both channels on a very slight delay (duophonic?), although it does sound like true stereo... is this a new mix??? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 3:47pm
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Back around 1960, Tommy Roe released two singles on the "Judd" label:
-Judd 1018: Caveman/I Gotta Girl -Judd 1022: Shiela/Pretty Girl One of my best friends inherited his older cousin's 45 collection, and she'd bought the 45 after hearing it on local radio in 1962. Strangely, the 45 she was sold in CT then was the JUDD 45, which actually mis-spells the song title as "Shelia". I borrowed and dubbed this Judd 45, and although similar, it is NOT the same take featured on the 1962 ABC-Paramount 10329 single, b/w "Save Your Kisses." |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 4:33pm
Really? How'd the mono mix escape the great ABC/Dunhill/Dot/MCA tape purge? You sure it's not the reverb-added stereo version summed to mono? GM |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 5:08pm
Not ALL ABC tapes were thrown out, but the bulk of them were. It's possible they pulled the song off some various artists mono lp reel or that a mono tommy roe lp master still existed or the 45 master if it still existed. IIRC Bill Inglot did the tape research for that cd and went with the mono--he wouldn't have used a mono'd down stereo source, and even said he went with the original mono mix because according to him the stereo was a different version, but i dont remember hearing any differences beyond a mix difference. It's definitely a tape source for the song....they could've also used a tape source from overseas, as i know it was pressed up in many countries (and Universal has or had vaults in France and Germany at least, that I know of). ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 04 April 2009 at 11:09am
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Back to Sweat Pea:
All CD issues are either LP length or LP version depending on your point of view. Argument for LP length: Single has a label and run time of 2:18 with a longer fade. 8 seconds longer than the LP. Argument for LP version: The single has a good amount of reverb on the vocal that you don't hear on the LP version, also, the second harmony vocal that you can hear on the LP version can barely be heard on the 45. I think it's there but only to be felt, not heard. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 02 March 2022 at 3:24am
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Here's reviving an old thread!
Bill, to follow up with your post 2007 October 18 about The Grass Roots "Midnight Confessions", you state the mix on "The ABC Collection" is different from 1971 "Their 16 Greatest His" LP, and that the "The ABC Collection" mix is on the Vintage Music CD. When I compared "Their 16 Greatest His" and "Vintage Music", they are the same version. This has got me wondering, is that "The ABC Collection" mix the one that turned up on Rhino's "Anthology"? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 March 2022 at 5:54am
Regarding "Midnight Confessions", it seems 'The ABC Collection' has the same version as 'Anthology' with the exception of 'The ABC Collection' has a stick tap in front of Carol Kaye's opening bass line. Andy |