aaliyah "try again"
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Topic: aaliyah "try again"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: aaliyah "try again"
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 3:31pm
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the billboard charts from the time indicate that this song was issued as a 12" single......does anyone have this 12" single and what is the label & catalog number as well as what are the versions on the A-side.... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 7:44pm
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i was doing follow-up research here as well, and came accross a jukebox 45 issued as blackground 38722, which is the same label & catalog number that was listed in billboard magazine from the time.....so both of these are NOT as 12" but as a cd single and a jukebox 45, respectively.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 9:07pm
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However, Ed, I believe that jukebox 45 was issued after the fact, as its flipside, "Come Back in One Piece," was issued after "Try Again." I think "Try Again" might actually be the B-side on that jukebox single.
Are you sure the original charts list "Blackground 38722," or is that just from a Whitburn book? (And I think I might actually own that jukebox single... I'll have to check.) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 6:08am
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that's what i thought....but the billboard charts from that time has that cat number listed.....go figure... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 6:16am
| "Try Again" was never issued as a commerical CD single. Blackground 38722 is the number for both the 12" single and the 45. The Hot 100 started showing the 12" on July 8, 2000 and added the 45 on August 19, 2000. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 8:13am
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paul...thx again for the explanation.....btw...was the 45 a commercial 45 or "for jukebox only" 45??
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:38am
Right, two months after it hit #1. So that 45 actually was "Come Back in One Piece" with "Try Again" as the B-side. Here are images of the 12" from Discogs.com, a great resource that I don't think I've ever mentioned here before: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=626357 - Try Again Commercial 12" |
Paul Haney wrote:Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:47am
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brian...
great site very nice scan do they have scans like that for ALL 12"?? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 11:15am
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No... it just depends on what users upload. Everything on there is put up by users. Anyone can do it.
I guess there were three different US promo CDs for "Try Again," and two of them had the 12-inch cover. I wish I had that one... I just have the common one with the two-tone cover. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 9:01pm
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bumping this one up to the top again...
paul...thx again for the explanation.....btw...was the 45 a commercial 45 or "for jukebox only" 45?? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 9:04pm
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paul,
i just reposted the below question on the board. does the song "try again" actually come as a commercial 45?.....i've never seen one...i've only seen a jukebox only one.....please check the record research vaults if there is indeed one....i've never seen one and my hunch is that it NEVER was issued as a commercial 45 and ONLY released as a 12" and i believe the 12" was issued with a different catalog umber as follows blackground 7087-6-14962-1-5 edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 6:27am
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Ed, I know you directed your question at a different Paul, but....
In the early 1990s, Capitol-EMI (for some reason) started printing the words 'FOR JUKEBOXES ONLY' on all its 7-inch singles. I have always considered these to be commercial 45s, as I always purchased them in the 1990s from the same sources as 45s from other labels. (They are definitely not promos.) My 45 has 'Try Again' as the A-side. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 9:59am
According to what I've heard from a couple of sources, Capitol-EMI themselves stopped doing 45s altogether around early-mid 1990. After about a year, their distribution arm (CEMA) made a deal with them to distribute the "for jukeboxes only" series which began in early '92 (the demand for 45s was tested by some regular Capitol-EMI releases in late '91). I think they put this on the labels to distinguish them from regular Capitol releases that came before them. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 12:24pm
Yes, Ed, our 45 states "For Jukeboxs Only". I really don't consider these 45s to be "promo". In fact, we were able to buy them at the time from our usual commercial wholesaler. In almost every case, these were the only 45s available for those titles. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:33am
| All database CD appearances of Aaliyah's "Try Again" currently contain either an "LP version" or "radio edit" comment. Has anyone checked a copy of the "for jukebox only" 45 to determine the run time? If it clocks in at 4:03, then the lone CD containing the "radio edit" comment should probably be changed to "45 version" for better accuracy. On the other hand, if the 45 runs 4:44 and is the same as the LP, then I would submit that all "LP version" comments for the song's CD entries should be removed since the 45 and LP would be identical. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:09pm
Well, like I said in a previous post, the jukebox 45 was actually a 45 for "Come Back In One Piece," and "Try Again" was the B-side. So I don't know if that would technically be considered the 45 version. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:23pm
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My U.S. 7-inch single lists "Try Again" as the "A"-side and runs 4:03 (give or take a second or two). I don't have the CD listed in the database as containing the "radio edit", but the same version is on the fifth volume of the Canadian version of the Now! series.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:32pm
| Thanks for the info, Paul! I very vividly recall when "Try Again" earned the distinction for becoming the first song ever to go to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 without a commercial single release. (Prior to December 5, 1998, a song was only eligible to chart if it was available at retail on a physical single format.) Evidently, the jukebox 45 came out months after the song had peaked. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:42pm
Huh. I assumed "Try Again" was the B-side because its flip was released AFTER "Try Again" was. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 October 2012 at 1:49am
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I just obtained a second promo CD for "Try Again." It's a factory-pressed
disc with front and back inserts and artwork. It has the following versions: 1. No Timbaland Version (listed 3:27; actual 3:26) 2. LP Version (listed 4:05; actual 4:04) 3. Call Out Hook My old top 40 station used to play this "No Timbaland Version," which is essentially the instrumental up until Aaliyah's vocals, and then the song is faded out before the ending "rap" part by Timbaland. This is not a unique "mix" that completely removes Timbaland throughout. He can still be heard doing some brief "uhh"s and beat-boxing type sounds. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 05 October 2012 at 7:31pm
I have the 12" (I purchased it in 2001 on Blackground Records) The catalog number is 7-2438-38722-1 3 (T-38722). The same number is etched on to the lead-out section on the vinyl itself (with an "A" at the end.) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 April 2013 at 9:18pm
| The database currently shows DJ CD single info for Aaliyah's "Try Again"... It might be also helpful to note that commercial 45 copies run 4:03, while the lone database CD containing the "radio edit" comment should probably be changed to "45 version" for better accuracy. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 15 April 2013 at 2:24pm
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Todd, you yourself stated previously "I very vividly recall when "Try Again" earned the distinction for becoming the first song ever to go to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 without a commercial single release. (Prior to December 5, 1998, a song was only eligible to chart if it was available at retail on a physical single format.) Evidently, the jukebox 45 came out months after the song had peaked".
So if the vinyl 45 was issued after the song had peaked does this really qualify as being a 45 version? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 April 2013 at 6:19pm
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If I'm not mistaken, the commercial 45 did eventually get released while "Try Again" was still on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, though admittedly it was very late in the song's chart run, long after it had reached its peak in popularity. By then, the commercial 45 sales were negligible and had no real measurable impact on the song's chart performance.
So your point is well-taken, Pat... After further thought, I now tend to agree that no changes in the database are really warranted in this instance. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 January 2024 at 1:20am
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Oh, boy, I realize I'm probably tiptoeing around a land mine by even daring to resurrect this thread again...
It's been more than a decade since I last opined on this topic. But now that I'm revisiting it hopefully for the very last time, I'm having a change of heart regarding the conclusion I made back in 2013. Currently, all CD entries for Aaliyah's "Try Again" have either an "LP version" or "radio edit" comment. Whenever I see an "LP version" comment, however, I typically automatically assume that there's also a "45 version" counterpart available. Otherwise, what's the point in even having the "LP version" comment to begin with, right? And since we've previously documented that there was no commercial single release for "Try Again" until very late into the song's chart run, we came to a consensus agreement that this should be classified as an airplay-only hit with no "official" 45 version. With all this said, may I make a motion then to request that the existing "LP version" comments in the database for "Try Again" be removed to help prevent other fellow database subscribers from going on any further wild goose chases in search of an official 45 version that technically doesn't exist? :-D (The lone "radio edit" comment, of course, should remain in place and will likely remind subscribers that that was the version they heard on Top 40 radio almost nonstop at least a thousand times back in the day!) |