Jermaine Jackson - Do What You Do
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Topic: Jermaine Jackson - Do What You Do
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Jermaine Jackson - Do What You Do
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 11:28am
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For years, I thought that the version of "Do What You Do" that I have on CD was not the correct version. The vocals sounded like they were re-cut. Upon referencing my 8th Edition, I noticed that most CDs actually list "Alternate Take" next to the song. I finally pulled out my original 45 and compared it to the version on my CD (which is supposedly the alternate take), and low and behold, they are IDENTICAL.
Just to be sure, I checked my friend's copy of the 45, and it is also identical to the version listed as "Alternate Take" in Pat's book. Even after listening to my original 45, something still sounds different than I remember. Could it be possible that there are two different 45 pressings of this song? Is it possible that the version I'm remembering was the one played on the radio and is a different take than my 45? |
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Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 7:25pm
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OK here is what I have come up with on the "Do What You Do" situation. First, my reference was a dj 45 which stated a running time of 3:58 (actually runs 4:17) and I assumed that this was the same as the commercial 45 since Whitburn listed the running time as 3:58. Now whether this assumption is valid I don't know and can use some help from anyone that does have the commercial copy of this 45. My guess Aaron is that if you A/B'd the commercial 45 and the cd versions that I note "alternate take" then the dj and commercial 45 are not the same. There are a number of edits on the dj 45 like dropping the first :01, shortening the instrumental introduction and shortening the instrumental break near the end of the song. With all that said, the vocal track does appear to be the same as the vocal track that appears on the cd's that currently have a notation of "alternate take" so it looks like I should change the notation to "45 version". My dj copy is just an edit of the commercial 45 if what you say is true Aaron but it is certainly strange that both the dj and commercial 45's state a time of 3:58. Can you give me the exact running time of the commercial 45 and the stated time? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 10:19pm
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Sure thing, Pat. But it will take a few days, because I just returned from a trip to Michigan, and that's where my 45 is---not with me in Texas. I'll ask Bud B. if he will pull out his 45 and we'll check it. If my memory serves me right, I believe the commercial 45 has a stated time of 3:58. The actual time matches up with the CD and runs really close to 4:17. The edits you described are the exact same edits on the commercial 45--no rim shot at the beginning; instrumental sections on the intro and toward the end are shortened.
There is a CD that you have listed "45 Version but missing some overdubs." I listened to a snippet of "Do What You Do" from this disc on the internet. The vocal track is definitely different; however, this is the one I remember hearing all the time when the song was popular (probably on my local top 40 station). There must be another 45 out there that has this alternate version. Anyone know? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 June 2005 at 3:56pm
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I'm glad to see Jermaine Jackson's "Do What You Do" being discussed here because I'd been wondering about this so-called alternate take for a while.
Aaron says the CD listed in the 10th edition with the "45 version but missing some overdubs" comment is the version he was most familiar with hearing on radio. I'm wondering if there were actually two different DJ 45 copies, as opposed to two different commercial 45 pressings? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 June 2005 at 10:49am
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Pat, it looks like the commercial 45 is exactly the same as your DJ copy. The label says 3:58 and the actual run time is 4:17. The CD that I A/B'd the 45 with was a CD-R, but it turns out the source of the song on my CD-R was not one of the CDs you have listed with "Alternate Take." However, I have listened to snippets of those CDs, and as far as I can tell, the mix and vocal track on the CDs listing "Alternate Take" is the same mix and vocal track found on the commercial 45. You will have to determine if those CDs have edits matching the 45.
But the question still remains: Where did the version currently listed as "45 Version but missing some overdubs" come from? I certainly recall hearing this mix (or at least some mix with that vocal track) back in '85. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 07 June 2005 at 12:33pm
| Does the commercial 45 have the rim shot at the beginning? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 June 2005 at 2:16pm
| No, it doesn't. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 7:35pm
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I don't believe I ever summarized my findings on this song so here are my conclusions:
The commercial and dj 45's that I have are identical. Neither of these has the opening rimshot heard on all of the cd's that I currently list as "alternate take" and that is why I called them an alternate take but probably should correct that to read "neither the 45 nor LP version". The BMG Special Products 44573 Groove Power is an edit of the LP version. So my conclusion to date is that the 45 version has yet to appear on cd in the U.S. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 2:00am
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Aha...so, the 45 and LP versions have different vocal takes. That would explain why I remember hearing the other version on the radio---they were probably playing the LP version!
So, I guess by your comment above, the versions listed in the book as "alternate take" with a (4:25) run time are the same mix and vocal take as the 45, but they are not edited correctly. Is that what I'm gathering? |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 6:21am
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Yes, the LP version is a different vocal take and the 45 is remixed. In addition to the rimshot being added to the cd's that run (4:25), the instrumental break is :09 longer on those cd's. The actual 45 running time is (4:17)not (3:58) as stated on the label. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 11:44am
| Thank you for clarifying, Pat. It makes much more sense now. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 7:50pm
| For anyone interested in obtaining the "Do What You Do" 45 mix on compact disc, I actually have it on a Canadian import CD compilation called Slow Jams (SPG 1510). I asked Aaron K. to compare the version on this CD to his commercial 45 and he confirms the two are indeed the same mix. However, the Slow Jams disc fades the song out :09 sooner than the 45, so the CD run time is only 4:08. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 7:55am
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What sounds to me like the 45 version is on the UK CD The Best Year Of My Life: 1985, although the fade ends a couple of seconds earlier than on the 45.
It's available on iTunes in Canada, so it likely is as well in the US. |
Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 5:21pm
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the longest, correct version of the 45 i have found is on this compilation issued by Dino - The Greatest Soul Album Of All Time. it fades out at 4:13 exactly.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Greatest-Soul-Album-Of-Al l-Time/release/1595022 |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 04 January 2013 at 4:13pm
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The 12" remix is now available on Jermaine Jackson "Dynamite" expanded edition.
It runs 5:45 and starts off with 6 rim shots. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 January 2013 at 7:36pm
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Interesting. Can the 45 be created using the 12" remix? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 2:17am
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Last week I was researching some of my favorite Jermaine Jackson tunes, both here on this chat board and in Pat's on-line database. After re-reading this entire thread for the first time in ages, and seeing how it had basically been dormant for nine years - not to mention the extreme number of "neither" listings still shown for the song in the db - I wanted to see if I could help resolve at least some of the mystery surrounding it. Doing some simple on-line checking, it didn't take long for me to discover through more than one source that there were indeed TWO very distinct commercial U.S. pressings of the 45 for "Do What You Do"!
Based on the details he gave all the way back in 2005 above, I could tell that the version Pat had (both commercial & promo) was actually the very common SECOND pressing. I then went ahead and messaged him about how to spot the physical differences between it and the scarce originals, and even tipped him off as to where he could purchase an original at a very reasonable price. :-) I don't own either version of the 45 myself, nor have I heard the differences between them. However, Pat has since informed me that he made the buy, so I look forward to him posting his analysis here in the coming days, since it'll be news to me, too. With several "mystery versions" of this top 40 hit actually still out there, I don't believe this will solve everything, but clearly it'll be a major piece to this puzzle for anyone else who may be interested... |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 4:27pm
| Sorry to disappoint everyone but the so called first pressing of Do What You Do arrived today with matrix number printed on the label of AS1-9279-SA and AS-1-9279-RE-SA-4 etched in the vinyl and a printed time of 3:46 but an actual running time of 4:17. The so called 2nd pressing has a printed matrix number of AS 1-9279-RE-SA and an etched matrix number of AS-1-9279-SA RE1-1 with a printed time of 3:58 and an actual running time of 4:16. Unfortunately I do not hear any difference between these two pressings and neither one starts with the rim shot at the beginning which all 4:25 length cds include. Can anyone come up with a vinyl source with the opening rim shot? |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 5:08pm
Hmmm, based on the matrix nos. that are actually etched in the vinyl of the two different commercial copies you now have, Pat (both having "RE" in them), there is clearly at least ONE more U.S. pressing of the 45 out there, if not more - but it appears this latest finding indicates that we can't go by what's printed on the labels alone. Thanks for the analysis, as always! The plot thickens... |
Pat Downey wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 1:06am
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I also ordered a copy of the 45 without the RE printed on the label, and
I'll let you know what it contains when it arrives. If I had to swear that there was another copy, I would. I vividly remember standing in my neighbors' living room listening to their copy of the 45 and thinking, "This is different than my 45." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 3:33am
Ha - if it was the copy from eBay seller "nohitters", then that was the other one I let Pat know about when I messaged him some ten days ago (at the time I made the discovery regarding the label differences). Just after I read Pat's new post w/ the bad news above, I went back over to eBay, w/ the intention of messaging "nohitters" about what was etched in the center of his copy - but then I saw he'd already sold it, and noticed it had happened all of FOUR HOURS after I'd left my post above on Thursday morning. :-) I wasn't interested in buying it myself, but I'm glad someone else here got it, and is on the case. (My first guess was it was jimct who'd likely bought it, lol...) There are currently FOUR different pressings/label variants of the commercial U.S. 45 of "Do What You Do" shown on 45cat. For those who've never seen one, the much rarer variant w/ the printed time of "3:46" and no "RE" in the matrix no. printed on the left is the one in the top row, at the far right: http://www.45cat.com/record/as19279 - JERMAINE JACKSON - "Do What You Do" (commercial U.S. 45 pressings) There HAS to be at least one other commercial pressing out there, which obviously DOESN'T have the "RE" in the matrix no. etched in the center (regardless of what is actually printed on the labels). And w/ other CDs already in the on-line database that feature "mystery versions" of the song w/ actual run times of (3:58) and (4:20) - not just the (4:25) version w/ the rim shot that Pat mentions - I definitely wouldn't rule out a THIRD pressing of the 45, either (especially one that runs 3:58, since that timing IS the one printed on most copies)! I'd think there would be at least one other promo/dj pressing, too. Based on the new info that Pat just provided, it sounds like Arista had some original "3:46"/no-"RE" labels left over when they made the switch to the "RE"-etched pressings of the 45, and just slapped those old labels on the new copies. Therefore, I believe there's a chance that other copy from "nohitters" may be different from the one Pat just received (in the grooves, that is) - or at least, that's what I'm hoping. Good luck, aaronk! :-) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 10:18am
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Yes, I'm the one who bought the other copy on eBay :) Let's hope it
contains something other than the common 45 version. Regarding your theory on a version that runs an actual 3:58, I wouldn't bet money on it. Arista did that "trick" quite often--stating a run time several seconds shorter to avoid paying a higher licensing fee. There are plenty of Arista 45s from this era that have incorrect printed run times, probably on purpose. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 6:49pm
Ah yes, while I may not collect that many 45s myself, as a ten-year regular here on Pat's board, I've certainly learned about that timing "trick" you mention. :-) But have you checked this song in the on-line database since that extensive back-and-forth you had w/ Pat above nine years ago??? I ask because a (3:58) version is ALREADY CONFIRMED to exist, and as I noted in my previous post, it has appeared on two U.S. CDs to date - both have been added to the db since 2005, though. Its first appearance was on the 2004 V/A compilation Body + Soul: Sexy Soul Men (Time-Life 19838), and then just this past January, it was also included on JJ's latest hits collection, 2014's Playlist: The Very Best of... (Arista/LaFace/Legacy 376929) - and it's actually shown as the "single edit" on the back cover of the latter! So are you saying you've confirmed that this (3:58) version that appears on both the Sexy Soul Men and Playlist CDs doesn't exist on a U.S. 45??? If not, then once again, I submit that it could very well be a commercial 45 version that we've yet to uncover - or at the very least, a dj-only version/edit, perhaps??? According to Pat's db, to date, "Do What You Do" has appeared 26 times on U.S. CD. So in order of ACTUAL length, let's review all six CONFIRMED versions of the song on vinyl and/or CD, and what we know about them so far: 1. (3:58) = unknown origin, but claimed as "single edit" by Sony (on two U.S. CDs - see db) 2. (4:17) = second 45 pressing, w/ "RE" etched in vinyl trail-off; no rim shot at the beginning - also different vocal take & remixed vs. LP version (on NO U.S. CDs - see db) 3. (4:20) = unknown origin, but is an edit of the LP version (on two U.S. CDs - see db)* 4. (4:25) = unknown origin, w/ rim shot at the beginning (on 17 U.S. CDs - see db)** 5. (4:47) = LP version (on four U.S. CDs - see db) 6. (5:44) = 12" version (on one U.S. CD - see db)*** *Description per Pat's post from 10 August 2005 above; however, that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't issued on a commercial or promo 45... **According to the song's page on Wikipedia, this was also the video version, if this adds any insight. On YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6kKhdd0Fw - JERMAINE JACKSON - "Do What You Do" ***This may actually need to be revised to read "U.K. 12" version", as at this time, I can't seem to find any evidence that a 12" single was ever issued for this song here in the U.S. (commercial or promo). There are NONE currently or recently listed on eBay, there isn't one shown on Discogs, and according to Joel Whitburn's book, Hot Dance/Disco 1974-2003, it didn't make the dance chart in Billboard, either (not that many ballads ever have). However, the song did do a bit better over in the U.K. (cracked the top 10), where there was definitely a 12" single issued - and it had a printed time of "5:42", which essentially matches the lone U.S. CD appearance (but Funky Town Grooves being a U.K.-based label, of course). Perhaps the U.S. 12" is just really scarce??? So at this time, I contend that only the (4:47) and (5:44) versions of this song are off the table as far as possibly existing on U.S. 45. The (4:17) version is of course already confirmed, and the three that clock in at (3:58), (4:20), and (4:25) are all still in the running - which is why I feel there is a real possibility that even a THIRD version may exist on a U.S. 45! At any rate, I look forward to your analysis after Thursday's purchase arrives... :-) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 9:15pm
Um, how could I possibly confirm this? I'm simply saying that if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on Arista getting a printed run time correct. I can confirm, however, that the 4:25 version commonly found on CD certainly does not match the music video. The video has the 4:17 version found on most 45s--the ones with the "RE" in the runout groove. BTW, the 3:58 version on Playlist contains the same mix and vocal take as the longer 4:17 45 version (based on the sample from allmusic.com). ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 9:37pm
I am reluctant to trust the back cover of the CD as being accurate. Unless the people who produced and mastered the CD have a long track record of getting these things right, this does not automatically lead me to believe a 3:58 single version actually exists on a vinyl 45.
I submit that it could be, at the very least, exactly as Pat has labeled it--"neither the 45 nor LP version"--until someone comes forward with actual proof that this 3:58 version exists on a vinyl 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 9:50pm
Actually, the Wikipedia page does not claim this at all. Here's what it says: Three variations of "Do What You Do" exist: 1: The original album version which has a length of 4:46. 2: The single version with a length of 4:28. This shorter cut is the music video/radio edit version which has an alternate "intense" final refrain and shorter ending. 3: The 12" remix version with a length of 5:44 which appears as track 13 on the U.S. re-release of the 1984 album "Jermaine Jackson. My conclusion on the Wikipedia article is that whomever wrote this is aware of only one single version, and he/she got the run time incorrect. Could that possibly mean that the Wikipedia author was also the person at Arista in charge of timing the songs for the printed run time???? :-) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 12:27am
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Thanks for researching some of the info I brought up even further, Aaron. :-) I only have a couple versions of the song on CD at this time, so I couldn't confirm certain facts while researching my previous post, such as the Wikipedia claim about the video, which is why I didn't say I actually *believed* it. (BTW, I wasn't trying to split hairs over the Wikipedia author's reported time of "4:28" vs. the actual time of 4:25, and yes, I certainly noticed they were missing some additional versions of the song in their listing - but that wasn't my point.) Same goes for Sony's claim about the "single edit" of the song being on the recent Playlist CD - obviously, I have no proof of that being accurate, either. I was merely putting the claim out there, while trying to say that it lends credibility to that version existing on a U.S. 45. You had given me the impression that you were either dismissing it, or just weren't yet aware of a (3:58) version existing on CD - but if I misinterpreted you there, my apologies. Heck, because of that issue w/ printed times on Arista 45s, you'll note I haven't even been considering an actual (3:46) version, as the copy you just ordered indicates - but who knows, maybe you're about to uncover a SEVENTH version... :-)
The main purpose of my previous post was to put all of the different versions of "Do What You Do" that are known to exist on the table, and sum up where we're at. I did actually spend a couple hours researching the info I typed into that post, and had taken it about as far as I could, w/ the resources I have. :-) Did parts of it need additional research??? Absolutely, and I appreciate you digging deeper into some of those areas already. This is one of the few remaining songs from the '80s that's still a mess (w/ so many "mystery versions"), and because it happens to be by one of my personal favorites from that decade, I'm quite interested in getting to the bottom of this one as well - and Lord knows, when it comes to the actual recordings, you've unquestionably got better ears for this job than I do, Aaron... :-) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 12:15pm
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No need to apologize! I didn't take offense to any of your comments or
research, and in fact, I owe you a THANKS for doing all the additional work. If it weren't for you, I probably wouldn't have even realized that there was a potential non-RE version to hunt for on vinyl 45. This song is also one of my favorites, and I certainly played my 45 to death back in '84. I'm glad that we're digging further into all the mystery versions. I'll let you know what the non-RE 45 contains when it arrives, and perhaps we can at least cross one of the mystery versions off the list. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 12:51pm
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Unfortunately, the copy I just received is not only slightly cracked, but it also contains the exact same 4:17 version, despite the 3:46 printed run time. The runout groove has "RE" in it, even though the label has no indication of "RE." Exact matrix/runout number is AS-1-9279-RE-SA-4 R-13514-SA-4 kdisc KP SLM^8070 1-1. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 18 October 2014 at 6:54pm
Thanks for the update, even if it doesn't get us any closer to unraveling this song's many "mystery versions" that still remain. It sounds like this is going to be one of those songs best investigated by going to a good used record store that not only has an extensive selection of old 45s, but has them organized/alphabetized, and isn't afraid to carry multiple copies of most titles - and then start tilting them to the light, and reading the etched matrix nos. for comparison (been there, done that for other titles, lol). Problem is, it's been my experience that most used record stores nowadays just don't bother sorting their 45s anymore (if they have any at all), like they do their LPs! I know plenty of stores that have thousands & thousands of boxed 45s, but they're not in any order, so I don't even bother, since it would take almost a whole day to dig through them all. :-( I actually do know of a couple good places that ARE organized and no doubt have multiple copies of "Do What You Do", and thus would definitely help in this case - but alas, they're both located more than six hours from where I live, so I don't get to visit them as often as I'd like... (*sigh*)
Just to clarify, while I love most of JJ's stuff dating from 1980-92, "Do What You Do" was actually one of my *least* favorite of his hits from that period, as I tend to favor the uptempo stuff. "Let Me Tickle Your Fancy", "Let's Get Serious", and "Word to the Badd!!" (original single version) are my three favorites. If I had to pick a ballad, I'd definitely go w/ 1989's "Don't Take it Personal", even if it wasn't a top 40 hit (only got to #64 in Billboard and #78 in Cash Box) - in fact, I'd probably put that one fourth, just after "Word to the Badd!!". Oh, and I was just able to actually LISTEN to the video for "Do What You Do" that I linked to in my next-to-last post above, and yes, I can tell now that it's indeed the (4:17) version, just as you said (was having computer problems that night - one more reason I didn't say I actually *believed* what was stated by the Wikipedia author!)... IMO, "Word to the Badd!!" is definitely a great lost single of his. If you're not familiar w/ it, it was a harsh commentary on brother Michael, recorded & released in late 1991. As a fan of Michael as well, I agreed w/ most of it, as I'd grown somewhat disappointed w/ him since 1987's Bad - both musically, and in his image/persona. (Bottom line: Off the Wall and Thriller were both indisputable classics, and he was a musical genius, as the 2009 film, "This is It", only touches upon - but at that time, my interest in MJ and his music had started to wane...) I became aware of the song due to the controversy it was stirring both at radio and in the media at the time (there was no video). So as a long-time fan of JJ, I immediately ran out and bought TWO copies of the cassette single (LaFace 24011), one of which I've kept sealed to this day. :-) "Word to the Badd!!" went on to hit #78 pop and #88 r&b in Billboard, although it failed to make the pop chart in Cash Box. It was a one-off single, as first pressings of Jermaine's then-current album, You Said, DIDN'T include the song in any form. In fact, cassette single was the only way to get it - there was no vinyl 45 or CD single issued commercially here in the U.S. - although there was a promo CD single (LaFace LFPCD-4011), which I've since acquired as well... Shortly after the hype died down in early '92, Jermaine went back in the studio and recorded a NEW version of "Word to the Badd!!", w/ drastically revised lyrics that were instead aimed at a girlfriend - and that version subsequently appeared on second pressings of You Said (both cassette & CD), which are much more common than the originals. In fact, all the way up until just a couple years ago, because I've always owned only a first pressing of the album on cassette, I never even knew there WAS a re-recording of the song - and after finally hearing it, needless to say, it was a major let-down, lol. To this day, the original version has yet to appear anywhere else except on the 1991 commercial cassette single & promo CD single... Excellent video of the original on YouTube, complete w/ backstory and lyrics supplied by the poster (although I certainly disagree w/ his negative attitude toward Jermaine): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11bH1DRdXqc - JERMAINE JACKSON - "Word to the Badd!!" (original single version) (Could the teens & 20-somethings that dominate today's pop music world possibly get a song like that on the radio today, let alone even write something that takes such a strong stance?!?) Oh, and the lyrically-challenged re-recording, just for comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM - JERMAINE JACKSON - "Word to the Badd!!" (re-recorded LP version) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 9:58pm
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I emailed about 5 or 6 sellers asking if any of them had a copy with no "RE" in the runout groove. One of them responded with a "yes, this copy does not have 'RE'." I asked him to double check before shipping it, and I bought it. Well, the copy arrived in the mail, and it DOES have "RE" in the runout groove AND on the label. I'm not sure if the guy was extremely careless, dishonest, or just plain stupid. The hunt continues... ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 3:44pm
Hmmm. Interesting. I've never seen a copy of You Said, LP, CD or tape without at least one version of "Word to the Badd!!" featured on it. you're saying there are records, cassettes without it entirely? FYI. the original MJ-bashing version appears on UK, EU and Japan CD's of You Said. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 07 July 2021 at 2:58am
| Bump |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 07 July 2021 at 3:53am
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Thanks, Paul.
This one is a mess... |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 July 2021 at 8:09am
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I'll summarize as best as I can:
LP version (4:47) 45 version (4:17) - remixed, different vocal take from LP version 12" version (5:44) - remixed, different vocal take from LP version incorrect version on CD (4:25) - same mix and vocal take as the hit version but a different edit; editing this version to match the 45 will come close, but resulting edit will fade sooner than 45 shorter incorrect version on CD (3:58) - same as 4:25 incorrect edit, but faded :27 earlier Note: The 12" version remix is very similar to the 45 version remix, but they are not identical. Therefore, the 12" version cannot be edited to create the 45 version. To date, I've not found a 45 that does not have "RE" in the deadwax. At one time I had a cracked 45 that had no "RE" on the label matrix but still did have "RE" in the runout. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 04 November 2022 at 10:30pm
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Bump again! So I discovered an even shorter version of "Do What You Do." It runs 3:32 and it sounds like a legit version to me. Here's the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-9lHrSe6k |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 November 2022 at 11:15pm
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I don't think this shorter version ever made it to vinyl in 1984. It seems like a very early fade of the correct 7" version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 05 November 2022 at 11:09am
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Hey Aaronk:
I just listened to the 12" and the 7" and what did you find different between them where they can't be edited down. Were vocals over a different spot or different percussion in the mix? That elusive 7" y'all are looking for may have been only been issued in the UK. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 05 November 2022 at 11:20am
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The overall mix of the 12" version is just a tiny bit different, and there is also a vocal overdub on the 7" version that is not on the 12" version. At 3:25 of the 12" version you don't hear the "oooooh" background vocals that are on the 45 (at 3:13). ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 06 November 2022 at 12:09am
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On YouTube there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9igkwlKyKU - a US 45 playing slightly fast so that it ends at 4:13. The fadeout goes into a section with ad-libbed vocals: "ohh whatcha do, there to do, whatcha do".
Apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzAVjUuwxus - the French 45 (also playing slightly fast, I think) has the same version, possibly faded out slightly sooner in that same section (the rip cuts off before the fade is done). I have a clean 4:17 digital copy from AK's collection which has swapped left & right channels (e.g. intro shaker is on the left, strings slightly right), and it fades out even sooner, right after "ohh whatcha do" in that section. Is this how it is on some 45s, and is this an actual vinyl rip?
As it turns out, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3-4Nbc_wo - the UK 45 is also on YouTube , albeit as a mono rip of just one channel (the one without the shaker). It's the same as the others, but fades out at 4:13, right before the "ohh whatcha do" section. I think the single version(s) use a combination of vocal takes, partly the same as the LP (just with different effects) and partly some that are not on the LP. As for 12" versions: • 5:25 Remix – Chorus vocal starts @ 1:22. On a recent https://www.discogs.com/release/14885803-Various-Big-12-Inches-Vol-4-47-Long-Versions-Now-On-CD - bootleg compilation . This may be the https://www.discogs.com/release/421136-Jermaine-Jackson-Do-What-You-Do-Mega-Disc - Sanny X remix . • 5:43 12" Remix Version – Has 0:04 rimshot countoff on CD but not the EU 12" (601 596). Chorus vocal starts @ 0:37. From the https://www.discogs.com/release/4110083-Jermaine-Jackson-Dynamite - 2012 expanded edition of Dynamite . • 5:48 Instrumental – This is on the EU 12" (601 596) and Has 2 rimshots, then a pause before the start. No vocals. • 5:37 Club Mix – Same vocal takes as LP version. No strings. It's on the above bootleg and the https://www.discogs.com/release/1993603-Jermaine-Jackson-Jermaine-Jackson - 2009 Jermaine Jackson JP reissue . About the common 4:25 CD version (and its earlier-faded 3:58 "Single Edit" companion): it begins with a single rimshot, but there's also a simultaneous kick drum on it. The rimshots on the 12" versions don't have the kick. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 November 2022 at 8:14am
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The file mjb50 has from my collection is close to 20 years old, so I can't say for sure what the source is. I think, however, I edited the existing CD version to match and then added the missing fade out from TM Century's copy. (Back then, I didn't have nearly as good of a setup, nor the skills, to do my own vinyl transfers and cleanups.) I should probably work on a new file at some point.
Earlier in the thread, I mentioned I had found a copy of the 45 with a 3:46 printed time, and I made a dub to my hard drive. That dub runs exactly 4:17.8 and ends about one second sooner than the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9igkwlKyKU - YouTube 45 dub . ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 November 2022 at 4:29pm
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I dug up two more stock copies from my collection. Both are pressed on vinyl and both have RE in the matrix (both label and deadwax). I also found a test pressing on styrene, which just has the artist and title handwritten on a white label. This also has RE in the deadwax. Finally, I have a promo pressed on vinyl, and again, there's RE in both the deadwax and on the label. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 06 November 2022 at 6:52pm
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This is an extremely interesting and complicated thread. Unfortunately, I can't help with any sources worth mentioning.
I looked at a few of my euro collections from the period and found hardly a mention of this particular song. I'm guessing that it wasn't much of a "Hit" overseas at the time? I do remember the song though as being a fav on the Pop and A/C stations here. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 06 November 2022 at 9:32pm
Ah, OK. That explains what I was seeing in the spectrogram. There is indeed a different source for the tail end. Still, you did a great job making it seamless. Nowadays when I do my own edits, I am sure to tag & name it such that it's clear that it's a fan reconstruction. I see Ron does this on some of his edits, even summarizing the sources and specific edits. 20 years ago, I probably wouldn't have bothered, but I've learned since then that I'm far more prone to making mistakes than I like to think. I can be so confident that I've nailed it (whatever "it" is), and then several years later I take another listen, and can't believe what I missed. Or I just wonder where the heck the edit came from. Oh well... at least it's a labor of love. |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 09 November 2022 at 10:22pm
| The YouTuber that posted the version running 3:32, says it's a radio edit. I would tend to agree that this is just an early fade of the single version. |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 13 November 2022 at 6:58pm
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Folks! So I have an update for you regarding this version that I found on YouTube about a week ago. I'll save everyone the trouble to find my original post and give you the link again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-9lHrSe6k In the comments, the YouTuber told me where he got this version from. By the way, my YouTube channel (1 of 3) is Kiss Fan Mac (don't ask, lol :P). It's a 3 CD compilation called: 80's Top Killers Vol. 2 (kind of a weird title).It was released in March of 2010 by Sony.The UPC is:1229677296, from what I saw from another website. Unfortunately, discogs has no listing for it but anyone can double check just to make sure. I googled the title and found a link to the 3 CD set, but there are no running times on it. This is the link to it: https://dlalejdis.pl/artykuly/80_s_top_killers_vol2 I think this was made in Poland. I've got some stuff to do tonight so I only went through a few results and seeing things about serial killers. If anyone has time to search this a little more, please do. Oh and sorry, I dont know how to highlight links on here. I'm foreign when it comes to forum stuff. |