Melissa Manchester-"Don’t Cry Out Loud"
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Topic: Melissa Manchester-"Don’t Cry Out Loud"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Melissa Manchester-"Don’t Cry Out Loud"
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:12pm
| I only own promo 45s for this song. For both its mono and stereo sides, however, it has a listed time of (3:36), but an actual time of (3:47). All database CDs state "minor tape splice glitch at :26". FYI, there was no such problem heard at the :26 mark, on either side of my promo 45. |
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 2:46am
| That's because the glitch never existed on the single masters (I knew it didn't exist on the commercial 45, but you've now indicated it doesn't exist on the promo 45 either.) The glitch exists on the original LP master. And every CD has always used the album master instead of the single master (even though they're identical except for the glitch.) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 11:40am
| Given that the 45 and LP version of "Don't Cry Out Loud" are identical, I wonder why a tape splice glitch would even exist on the LP master in the first place? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 12:06pm
| Is it a tape dropout at :26 in? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 3:21pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when an LP master is made (at least in the old days), don't the engineers essentially make a compilation of all the other "single" master tapes? That would mean the song would be transferred from it's original master tape to the LP master, which is probably where the glitch occured. |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 5:33pm
| Exactly. At least that's my guess. There must have been dirt or a defect on the album master tape at 26 seconds into "DCOL". |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 04 June 2009 at 12:43pm
| To add to Jim’s initial comments regarding Melissa Manchester’s “Don’t Cry out Loud”, he informs me the actual commercial 45 run time is 3:47, not 3:36 as stated on the record label. The database currently notes only the DJ 45 times for this song, though it is identical to the commercial 45 timing info. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 June 2009 at 7:21am
| Does anyone know if an import CD (or for that matter, a more recent US CD) contains "Don't Cry Out Loud" WITHOUT the weird dropout glitch at 0:26? (This could easily be the case if anyone's used a single master - or maybe a foreign 2nd generation master). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 05 June 2009 at 10:34pm
| This might be slightly off topic, but I've been wondering... If an LP master is made up of a compilation of "single" master tapes, then the finished LP master would be considered a second generation tape source, right? So does this mean then that the sound quality of an LP master is inherently inferior to a "single" master? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 20 December 2014 at 3:04pm
From a 2005 post from EdisonLite from a different thread:
I struggled with this for a few minutes until I realized I had the "mono" button pushed on my receiver. It sounds perfectly normal when you sum left and right channels, but it's plain as day in headphones. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 21 April 2024 at 9:57am
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Here is one for the "who did it first" department:
Melissa's version of this song is actually a cover. The first time this song was released on a 45 was in 1977 by the R&B vocal group the Moments (who had a hit with their cover of "Love On A Two-Way Street" in 1970). Their version of "We Don't Cry Out Loud" on the Stang label only reached #79 on Billboard's soul singles chart and went nowhere pop. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 21 April 2024 at 6:04pm
I think the Melissa Manchester Arista Singles Collection that came out in 2017 has the song without the glitch. I have it in a storage box somewhere, will check when I find it. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 22 April 2024 at 12:57pm
It generally depends on the album but actually, no. An LP master is often a grouping of first generation mixdowns that have been spliced onto one master reel. This would be the first generation 'master' for any given album. However, in the analog days, an LP master would actually be a generation up from that first generation tape (which would be referred to as a 'work part' to some) as they would create an LP cutting master with all the EQ and processing 'baked in' to create the vinyl parts from. Single masters, if they were the same as the LP, would probably be either a copy of that first generation copy or a copy of that LP cutting master. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 April 2024 at 3:45pm
Also, Rita Coolidge released Don't Cry Out Loud - in Japan as a single - before Melissa ever did. And it was a hit there. It's also possible that its composer Peter Allen released a version before Melissa, if I recall. The glitch in DCOL can actually be heard on the vinyl LP - its parent album ("DCOL") whether LP or CD. So all the CDs that have the glitch used the LP as a master for their source. But the actual 45 did not have a glitch in that spot. I brought this to Sony's attention, and after that, they used the 45 source (which is the same mix - but without a glitch) for Melissa compilation CDs, so it is available now. |