"Stir It Up" - Johnny Nash
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Topic: "Stir It Up" - Johnny Nash
Posted By: EdisonLite
Subject: "Stir It Up" - Johnny Nash
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 7:09am
| It seems that the famous version of Johnny Nash's "Stir It Up" (the remix that was released AFTER "I Can See Clearly Now" was a hit, not the earlier one) has never been on a US CD. I heard an mp3 a few years ago that was the remix, and it did not sound like it came from cleaned up vinyl -- so I was wondering if anyone knows of any import CDs that have this remix. |
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 5:33am
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Hi there,
I believe that the Time Life CD "Sounds Of The Seventies 1973: Take Two" contains the hit 45. Sounds like it to me. Pat, Please take a listen again and see what you think. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 6:38am
| Yes I agree that is the hit version and the database has been changed to reflect this. Thanks for your input David. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 5:49pm
| What's the difference? |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 7:14pm
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the 1973 (hit) 45 is a different mix and contains a sound (not sure what, but it starts at :15) and extra background vocals during the chorus not present in the original 45/LP version ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 11:07pm
LATER: OK, I do have it, but I have to go into a closet and pull out hundreds of 45s in a big box. I'm not prepared to do that tonight. All I can tell you is that it must be the original pressing because it is the same as the one found on the Rock Artifacts CD volume 2 (?). |
davidclark wrote:Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 25 February 2006 at 12:45pm
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Epic re-serviced the promo 45 to radio stations, telling us that it was a new mix, and that's the one I have (we never did play it). Dead wax number reads 156881 1-C.
GM |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 10:31pm
| My Epic 10949 hit version commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:09), but an actual time of (3:01), exactly as its lone 45v database appearance (the Time/Life 1973: Take Two V/A CD) does. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 9:53pm
| actually, the re-release 45 of "stir it up" has a lot of weird percussion stuff going on, and the first time i heard it on American Top 40 it blew my mind and i immediately went out and bought a copy... if anyone is interested, i will shoot them a copy, and just for the record, so to speak, it was on the orange epic label of the mid-seventies, not the yellow one... |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:50pm
| Jrjr, the 1973 re-release of "Stir It Up" came out just as Epic was switching over from the yellow to the orange label, and I happen to have 2 1973 commercial copies of it: one copy features the yellow label, and the other copy features the orange label. The same 1973 situation exists for both Clint Holmes' "Playground In My Mind", and the Edgar Winter Group's "Frankenstein." Pressing plants are often instructed to "use up" the old label design paper before starting with the new, which sometimes caused overlap. I probably have over 100 hit commercial 45s, on two different label designs, so it's actually not all that incredibly uncommon. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 May 2011 at 6:05pm
| I heard this song on an old AT40 this weekend, and it seemed to be a 3rd mix. It was very close to the LP mix but near the end, there seemed to be some lead vocals missing and you could only hear the background vocals (like on "little darling"). Does anyone know of this 3rd mix and what it's from? I'm pretty sure those leads weren't muted in the LP version. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 12:57am
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First, jimct, it turns out I have the first 45 version on
the yellow Epic label. The 45 version also appears on Rhino's "Soul Hits Of The 70s: volume 10". ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 8:10am
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Just for clarification, Grant, the 45 version you are referencing on Soul Hits is the first, non-hit 45 version (which is the same as the LP version). Pat's database says:
(S) (2:58) Rhino 70790 Soul Hits Of The 70's Volume 10 (LP and first 45 version) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 8:14am
------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 9:17am
| Yes, the version I heard on AT40 seemed different. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 8:50pm
| Are you talking about the original AT 40 LPs that you listened to or one of the radio re-broadcasts? The broadcasts are often "repaired". |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 May 2011 at 8:10am
| I've been hearing lots of original broadcasts and rebroadcasts as of late, and I'm not sure which it's from. But even if it was on a re-airing, that still means there's a 3rd (alt) mix out there - which could have been created in 1973 or afterward. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 14 May 2011 at 5:14pm
| Could the single version been on the original show, but the remastering engineer only had an LP version and inserted it into the show, leaving part of the 45 version near the end to get to Casey's outro? Making it sound like it was a new mix when it reality it's just the LP version and 45 versions spliced together at points? Sometimes they also get the splice wrong when they put these shows back together so did they accidentally repeat something? Also if it is a remastered version, the engineer could have used a Johnny Nash import CD, and who knows what kind of mixes would be on that. Lastly, some labels sent the AT 40 show reel to reel tape dubs of the songs and they could have simply gotten an incorrect dub. Lots of possibilities here. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 May 2011 at 10:11pm
| What I heard on AT40 definitely wasn't an edit of the 45 and LP versions. It was missing lead vocals (only exposing background vocals on "little darling" - near the end of the song). And that's not how it is on the LP or 45 versions. So yes, it's an alternate - whether it's on a tape sent to AT40, a CD from Europe, or some 1973 vinyl pressing - we don't know. That's why I bring it up so people can check their vinyl. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 2:23am
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Edison,
I'll send you an mp3 of the version from his CD "The Reggae Collection" .... take a listen and see if it might be what you heard. I just found the mix is different from other cd's. The database lists "I Can See Clearly" from this CD as an alternate take, but i've suspected it might be a remix with a different drum track added. So i was curious after reading your post, maybe Stir It Up was different too. I pulled out Rock Artifacts Vol 2, and The Reggae Collection. These 2 mixes are different. This version is more like the LP version than the 45 mix, it lacks all the extra vocals and instruments added to the 45 mix, however i'm hearing the placement of instruments is different, the backing vocals, etc. All these things are different on this CD. Might have to update the db as either "remix" or "neither the 45 or LP version" ... I'm not sure which this would get. -MM |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 9:36am
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Thanks for showing me this version on Nash's "Reggae Collection" CD, Mark. (And interesting info, Mark!) I just gave it a listen. YES. THIS is what I heard on AT40 (albeit what I heard was in mono, but this is the stereo version of it.) And in the mono mixdown it was especially clear I wasn't hear lead vocals on two of the "little darling"s near the end of the song. Just as Pat lists the "Reggae Collection" version of "I Can See Clearly Now" as "alternate take", the same CD also contains an "alternate take" of "Stir It Up" and it should be indicated. You could also call this "Neither the LP or hit 45 mix" or "remix", as Mark indicates. The version on this CD is much closer to the original LP mix than the hit 45 mix. Pat currently has this listed as the LP mix. This means that maybe there are other entries in the database that should be listed as "alternate mix", and Pat, you may want to check them. While there may be many mix differences, the easiest way to tell the two apart (at least, it's what caught my ear) is to listen to the "little darling" at 2:37. The panning of vocals is so different and you really feel like there's no lead vocal centered in the alternate mix. But the lead vocal is clearly there and in the center on the LP mix.
Pat, can you report back here as to how many CDs have the alternate mix? I'm curious. Also, I noticed that of the MANY cd entries for "Stir It Up" in the database, only ONE, the Time-Life CD, uses the proper hit 45 mix. Kudos to Time-Life and I'm surprised that none one of the other CD releases after that one randomly ripped their version from that CD. Does anyone recall any other instances where there are many LP mixes in the database but only ONE Time-Life CD using the proper 45 mix? |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 2:10pm
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For Pat:
(hopefully helpful) - i was thinking trying to hear the differences at the end of the track on every disc might be too daunting.... Now, i'm taking it as a "given" that "Rock Artifacts Vol 2" really is the original LP version. So, If one is wearing headphones: On LP version mix: right at the start, the bongos are on the LEFT. At vocal start: All vocals are centered, background singers, and the sax is in center as well. On the Reggae Collection REMIX (it is the same take and recording): The bongos are on the RIGHT. And at vocal start, lead vocal is center, and backing vocals are on the LEFT, sax is on the LEFT as well. The remix was also pitched a little faster too. Re: I Can See Clearly on Reggae Collection can also be updated the "REMIX". I was able to synch the hit version by speeding it up considerably, and found it's the same vocal track - they just remixed the whole thing. Hope this analysis helps!! MM |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 11:09pm
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just another quick observation about the mix on Reggae Collection; this mix is good for stereo fans.
In the LP version most elements are close to center, most horns and vocal tracks. In the remix, most of horns, and the backing vocals are all split either right or left, a little more 60's style. It's kinda cool. (nice mix, but the hit 45 with extras added is still the best, IMO). Btw, the liner notes specify including the alternate version of "I Can See Clearly", they wanted to update it a little. But no mention of "Stir It Up" at all. Hmm, makes one wonder, was that very first, yellow label, non-charting 45 version really identical to the LP version? Just wonderin' .... (sorry) -MM Oh, PS: when i first bought this CD i was pleased it included all the original JAD hits along with the Epic material. Turns out per the notes that was no problem because Johnny was one of the smart ones early on, he decided around 1962 that hereafter he'd like to OWN his own recordings, and thus, retains all the rights to his own material. I LOVE hearing those stories vs. the much more common tale. -MM |