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Ronnie Dyson "If You Let Me" DJ mono

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Topic: Ronnie Dyson "If You Let Me" DJ mono

Posted By: BillCahill
Subject: Ronnie Dyson "If You Let Me" DJ mono
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 7:24pm

On the Ronnie Dyson DJ single "(If You Let Me Make Love To You Then) Why Can't I Touch You", the mono and stereo sides match up until about 3:00. Then they don't completely match, and on the last chorus on the fade out, the mono version is a completely different take than the stereo version.

It's kind of obvious because on the stereo version during the fade out Ronnie sings "why - why can't I touch you". No repeated "why" on the mono fade out.

The Rhino "Soul Hits of the 70's" volume 3 features the version on the stereo DJ side, the double "why" version, which is probably also the stock 45 version as I think it was only issued in srereo on 45.

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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 5:56am

As always, the "fine-tooth-comb" analysis that you provide for your new 45 acquisitions is appreciated, Bill. Because of your new findings, I have now pulled out my promo 45, for "further action".

Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 2:14am

I just listened to a 1970 AT40 show on XM and they played "Why Can't I Touch You" - this version with the alternate lead vocal! I completely forgot about this post, and as I was listening I noticed a completely different vocal at 3:14 on the word "if" - instead of sliding down over 3 notes, Ronnie slides UP over 4 different notes. Jim, did you take that further action after pulling out your promo 45, and does it indeed have a different "if" at 3:14 of the mono version? Bill, does your promo have that? I assume that's what I heard today. I assume that the LP version is the same as the commercial 45 version, but is it possible it was longer, with this adlib, and the mono 45 side was edited to have this later portion?

Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 9:27am

I caught that too!
The promo single is somewhere in storage (complete with radio station cue burn!)
I look forward to the early AT40 shows for just that purpose.

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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 8:50pm

I have an early-'70s pressing, promo-stickered Columbia Hall Of Fame reissue 45 (33202) which is mono, and is identical to the mono side of the DJ 45 with the different ending from 3:14 on. Its matrix number is ZSP 152978 (compared to ZSS 152976 on my stereo stock copy.)

Both the stereo and mono 45s run 3:24, but the mono is just a hair faster-pitched, and fades by about the same amount later than the stereo 45.

Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 4:40am

Yes the description above matches my mono DJ side. Columbia/Epic did have a habit of issuing songs in the early 70's as stereo singles, then using the mono DJ sides for the Hall of Fame re-issue series, which was odd.

Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 1:27pm

This practice was most likely done when the original metal stampers were worn out. Cheaper than having to cut new lacquers and get plating work done.

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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 2:52pm

EdisonLite wrote:

Jim, did you take that further action after pulling out your promo 45, and does it indeed have a different "if" at 3:14 of the mono version?

Gordon, long time no chat, my friend; hope you are well. Thanks for the reminder. I had it pulled for a while, but for the life of me I couldn't rememmber why I had done so, so like a dummy I re-filed it. I also have the mono reprint, am now also convinced of the mono/stereo differences, and will now try to get the best-sounding vinyl version possible.

Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 8:21pm

Yes, Jim, all's well. Hope things are good on your end, too!

Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 January 2012 at 12:10am

Just wanted to bring up this thread once more since the database hasn't yet been updated with the mono DJ version and commercial single info for Ronnie Dyson's "(If You Let Me Make Love to You Then) Why Can't I Touch You?".

By the way, were all the original 1970 commercial 45 copies in stereo?

Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 January 2012 at 10:29am

Todd Ireland wrote:

By the way, were all the original 1970 commercial 45 copies in stereo?

I've never seen an original 1970 commercial copy that *wasn't* in stereo.

As to whether or not *all* the original copies were in stereo... well, my record-buying budget in 1970 wasn't big enough to corner every copy on the market to find out. :)

Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 7:24pm

I own a Hall Of Fame reissue which uses the mono promo stamper. It is not a promo copy. It is a West Coast Santa Maria, CA pressing on vinyl.

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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!