Timex Social Club - Rumors
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Topic: Timex Social Club - Rumors
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Timex Social Club - Rumors
Date Posted: 20 June 2005 at 9:11pm
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I noticed in the 8th Edition, the song "Rumors" by Timex Social Club is listed in it's LP Version on a number of CDs. I own two of the discs listed as "LP Version"--Priority 9466 Rap's Greatest Hits and Rhino 72141 Billboard Hot R&B Hits 1986--and the versions are different on each one. They have two different vocal takes!
So, the question is, which one is the actual LP Version? Is one of these a 45 version or is it "neither the 45 or LP version"? |
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Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 6:08am
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Rumors on the Priority 9466 cd is the LP version faded 1:05 early. Rumors on the Rhino 72141 cd is the 12" single version. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 8:42am
| If the 4:41 version of Timex Social Club's "Rumors" on the Priority 9466 Rap's Greatest Hits CD is the LP version faded 1:05 early, then does this mean the full LP version has yet to appear on a domestic CD release? I ask because all CDs marked "LP version" in the 10th edition run between 4:41 and 4:52. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 11:54am
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That's correct Todd, I have yet to see the full length album version of "Rumors" on cd in the U.S. The other comments about LP version will be corrected shortly in the electronic version of the book. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 12:53pm
| So, has the 45 version been issued on CD? My 8th Edition doesn't have the 80s Pop Culture Box listed (because it hadn't been released yet), but there is a 3:33 version on there. Is that the correct 45 version? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 June 2005 at 9:01pm
| Yes, Aaron. According to the 10th edition, the Like Omigod! The '80$ Pop Culture Box (Totally) on Rhino 78239 does contain the 45 version of "Rumors". |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 21 February 2009 at 8:51am
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my commercial 45 issued as jay 7001 states a run time on the label as 3:30 but actually runs 3:33 and is slightly slower than the version on the cd below
(S) (3:31) Rhino 78239 Like, Omigod! The '80$ Pop Culture Box (Totally) (45 version) ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 21 February 2009 at 10:13am
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john just slowed the cd 45 version from the "omigod" box set down to the proper speed, but then i noticed that by doing this the song runs a few seconds long.....so in order to get the true proper 45 version you'll need to fade the slowed down verison out the last 0:12 from 3:20 to 3:32.....thus effectively re-creating the proper speed and fade.....if anyone need a wave copy of my re-creation, please let me know.....edtop40
------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 11 March 2012 at 4:06pm
| Can the 45 version of "Rumors" be created from the 12" version that is commonly available on CD? |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 10:38am
Sorry to bump but does anyone know the answer to this? |
995wlol wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 10:55pm
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I just did a comparison, and the 45 is an early fade of the 12" version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 11:04pm
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Listening carefully to the copy on Rapmasters 4, this is definitely a vinyl dub. On the fadeout, there is noticeable turntable rumble and light ticks.
Also, I'm convinced that the 45 version on the Rhino Omigod box set is also a vinyl dub (most likely of the 12" single and faded to match the 45). I can hear rumble on this copy, too, and occasional ticks/clicks throughout. Interestingly, the ticks are NOT in the same place on both copies, which further supports my theory that these are both vinyl dubs. My copy of the "Give It Up" compilation is packed at the moment, but I don't remember being impressed by the sound quality of "Rumors" on this CD, either. Does a non-vinyl, good sounding source exist? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 9:45pm
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I gave a careful listen to the 12" single version of Timex Social Club's "Rumors" on the various artists CD Billboard Hot R&B Hits 1986 (Rhino 72141) in hopes that maybe this one was mastered from a tape source. Although the sound quality isn't bad, I do hear the occasional ticks and clicks throughout the recording on this disc (and it sounds like some noise reduction was also used to help reduce vinyl crackling). So I have a feeling this may be the case with all other 12" single version appearances on CD to date.
It strikes me as rather odd that master tape sources aren't being used for a 1986 hit. (Could the masters actually be missing??) I'm also wondering if the parent LP Vicious Rumors was ever issued on CD when it was first released in 1987? If so, I would think that HAD to have been mastered from tape if one ever existed. Then again, could we be dealing with another http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6177&KW=Nu+Shooz&TPN=1 - Nu Shooz "I Can't Wait" type situation here where vinyl crackling is present on the original source? |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 1:46pm
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Vicious Rumors was released on CD in West Germany in 1986 but it
was also, of course, released on cassette in the US. It would be odd if that wasn't from a tape source but I don't own either of those sources. Above, it was stated that the version on the Omigod! box is slightly too fast. Is the 45 slower than the 12" version as well? In other words, if one were to take one of the commonly available on cd 12" versions and fade it, is that all it needs to match the 45? Or would it also need a speed adjustment as well? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 January 2017 at 12:08am
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I have studied the Omigod box set 45 version and the Rapmasters 12" version a little closer. There are ticks and clicks throughout, but I don't think they are vinyl ticks.
I also just received in the mail a few days ago a CD called The Dance Chart (import on Telstar Records, 1987). The sound quality of "Rumors" on this CD is significantly better than the Omigod box set. It's also better than the Rapmasters CD, IMO. There are no clicks/ticks to be heard, and the EQ is better. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: JFive
Date Posted: 02 December 2021 at 6:02pm
Bringing this back. Does anyone know if this is possible? |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 December 2021 at 6:33pm
Didn't Aaron say it was an early fade of the 12" version? ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 December 2021 at 6:37pm
This video has the version that I heard mostly in our market (mostly in Buffalo, NY). Am I correct in assuming this is the LP version? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADwVvT7-5_0 - Rumours on YouTube ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 6:43am
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That's the 12" single version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 7:46am
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I'm left confused.
Could someone break down the available versions and differences in a synopsis? Thank you to anyone who has the time and knowledge! Andy |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 11:42am
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There are two basic recordings: LP version and 12” Short Version. The
US 45 is an early fade of the 12” Short Version. The LP version has the spoken line “oh, no, not again,” and there are sung ad libs over the intro. The 12” version doesn’t have any vocals until the first verse begins. These are two different vocal takes. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 5:32pm
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(Delete me - Dupe Comment) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 5:33pm
Thanks Aaron. I pulled that out last night and clarified this. I know an edit was made of this version (at the beginning) plus an early fade. But the 12" single version was what what I heard most ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 7:42pm
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The LP version is a remix which comes in several variations:
5:46 Shep Pettibone Remix [= LP version] 7:41 Remix aka Extended Mix 8:55 Dub Version 4:10 Original 7" Version [= European 7" A-side, I think] 4:16 Euromix [= European 7" B-side, I think] Most of those were only released outside the U.S. The non-Pettibone mixes are just these, AFAIK: 4:55 Rumors [US 12" A-side, subtitled "Short Version"] 7:09 Vicious Rumors [US 12" B-side, subtitled "Long Version"] 3:33 Rumors [US 7", an early fade of the "Short Version"] |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 8:03pm
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For anyone interested to know no digital service has the LP album. I checked already.
Only two options...the CD from 1986 overseas or the LP.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 December 2021 at 8:08pm
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That’s interesting about the LP version being mixed by Shep Pettibone.
Musically, the LP version is somewhat close to the original 12” Short Version (and 45 version) but with an obviously different vocal take. The longer Shep “Remix” found on overseas 12” singles has a completely different feel from the LP version with several additional elements. I was unfamiliar with the “Remix” until listening on YouTube today. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 December 2021 at 6:23am
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Thank you 'mjb50' and Aaron for the synopses of versions!
Andy |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 02 August 2023 at 10:45pm
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It's odd to me that the LP version is longer than the 12"
version (which is actually labeled "short version"). Does anybody know if the clubs at the time were playing the 12" (as I would assume), or were they pulling it off the LP to get more track length? I'd love to hear from anybody who was DJing at the time, or anybody who was hitting he clubs in 1986. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 August 2023 at 6:57am
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To Gene:
Everybody I know (including me) was playing the 12". Constantly. I wouldn't even think of playing it off an LP due to fear of rolled-off low end... Andy |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 03 August 2023 at 2:33pm
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It amazes at the assumptions that are always made. The
album version of "Rumors" was an earlier different vocal and instrumental version. It nowhere as tight and in all honesty sounds like a demo. You wouldn't be gaining much as it is something totally different. Tunes that have different track timings aren't always just edits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YX-7Z0hsGA |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 08 August 2023 at 8:50pm
| Indeed, I should have clarified when describing the versions that Pettibone's 5:46 mix, as used on the album, is a somewhat unique version, as compared to the European 7"/12" remixes he did and the original US hit versions he didn't do. It's definitely got a simpler feel, more like the original. |