Steam - Na Na Hey Hey (2:59 DJ)
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Topic: Steam - Na Na Hey Hey (2:59 DJ)
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: Steam - Na Na Hey Hey (2:59 DJ)
Date Posted: 23 January 2008 at 11:35pm
| Curiosity has gotten me again. What are the differences between the 3:43 stock 45 and the 2:59 DJ edit? |
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 24 January 2008 at 10:05am
| I'm told there are parts in the dj edit that don't exist elsewhere, but to me it just sounds like a couple edits in the bridge and an early fade. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 8:57am
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Spent some time last night recreating this edit. It can be done. Slowed the pitch of the stereo version down about 3%, there were 3 edits as I recall and an early fade.
Thanks to Steve for the original promo edit I could use as my guideline. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:52pm
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I forget who it was that told me that it wasn't possible to re-create the edit from the album version. I did one a few years ago that, while it may not be exactly the same, is virtually indistinguishable from the promo edit (except I didn't fade it quite as fast).
This song just begs to be re-issued commercially with the stereo promo edit. The bridge on the album version is way too long IMHO, and if you find the commercial single version it seems to always be mono. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:56pm
| I've never heard the promo edit. Does it tighten up the song pretty well? |
Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 6:21am
| Isn't the DJ edit already on one of the Dick Bartley CD's? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 6:58am
If I'm not mistaken, it's the commercial 45 that's on the Bartley CD. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
MPH711 wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 6:59am
Not according to the database. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 7:28pm
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Can someone provide me with a copy of the mono DJ edit?
Thanks to John Gallagher for providing me with his stereo dj edit version. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 7:41pm
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My copy of the out-of-print Vol. 3 Bartley CD just arrived, and it contains the commercial 45 version, not the DJ 45 edit. Actual time is 3:44.
UPDATE: I should add that I never compared the Bartley track to the actual 45, so if they aren't the same, I apologize for any confusion. I should have just said that the track was not the DJ 45 edit. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 03 April 2012 at 4:49pm
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thanks to yah shure the vinyl 45 and the bartley cd version
are identical except for the mono/stereo differences.....is there any reason why this cd isn't listed in the db?..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 03 April 2012 at 5:05pm
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I do see the Varese label On The Radio disc listed under Steam. The current note says it is an unsuccessful attempt at creating the 45 version. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 03 April 2012 at 5:10pm
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is THAT the bartly cd?...it sounds like the vinyl 45 to
me.....pat, can you review that cd again versus the vinyl and amend the entry if necessary.......thx ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 April 2012 at 7:19am
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Ed, the stereo LP version cannot be used to create the 45 edit. The most obvious difference is at the part where the drum solo begins. On the stereo LP version, the music cuts out sooner than the 45. There may be other differences, too. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 April 2012 at 8:31am
You are correct. There are three edits and an early fade. The edit points on the actual DJ 45 occur at 1:48, 1:50, and 2:15. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 April 2012 at 9:49am
I should have also clarified that I have not heard the Bartley CD, so I do not know if they used a new stereo mix that matches the 45 or if they simply edited the LP version. According to Pat's database, it is the latter, which cannot be properly done because of the music part right before the drums. Also, the stereo version has more reverb than the mono, if I recall correctly. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 3:40pm
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I was going through some cds in my storage bin yesterday and came across an import Steam CD called "Na Na Hey Hey" Steam with Garrett Scott that I must have picked up years ago that I had forgotten about. Here is the link to the CD on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/NA-HEY-Steam-Garrett-Scott/dp/B000SI73 JU/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1333924083&sr=1-2 Anyway, there are 3 versions of "Na Na Hey Hey" on this CD. I assume these versions are: 1) LP Stereo version 2) 45 Stereo version 3) 45 Mono version I am not sure of the source of these tracks but if anyone is interested, I can send a wav file to all or any of the 3 for comparison since the "true" 45 mix doesn't seem to appear on any domestic CD. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 4:16pm
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Fetta, the Amazon link didn't work for me but I found it via a search of the site... is the Na Na Hey Hey soundalike "What I'm Saying Is True" on that cd in mono or stereo (or rechanneled)? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 4:47pm
| Sounds to me like it is mono. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 8:21pm
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aaron, i just re-listened to the intro on the bartley cd
versus the vinyl 45 and they sound the same to me.....can anyone point to the differences between the vinyl 45 and the bartley cd version so i can be sure it IS different, because they sound the same to me... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 8:49pm
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The difference would be at 1:44, before the drum solo starts mid-song.
The true mono 45 version sounds like this: "Goodbyeeeeeee" (music stops, followed by 3 drum beats, then cymbal crash) The stereo version on the Dick Bartley CD is like this: "Goodbyeeeeeee" (music stops, 4 drum beats, then cymbal crash) In other words, on the 45 you hear one more note of the music before it abruptly stops, which is just before the drum solo. Also, there is a little more reverb on the LP version vocals (and overall). Lastly, the Dick Bartley CD has the vocals fading in too early. You can hear "hey, hey, goodbye at 1:48. On the 45, the vocal doesn't start coming back in until 1:51, where you hear the tail end of "byeeeee." The Dick Bartley CD also has the xylophone coming back in at 2:17 (in the left channel), whereas it does not come in until 2:26 on the 45. The bottom line is that the stereo version cannot be used to re-create the mono single. There are just too many differences in the stereo mix that do not match the mono mix. Hopefully that clarifies things. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 15 January 2014 at 12:22pm
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I have finally acquired a long/short promo 45 for this song. I noticed that the
exact particulars for it had not been previously posted. Confirmed as Fontana 1667, the listed and actual (3:45) side is the same as the stock 45, and says "Mono-Complete Version" on it, despite the fact that the LP version actually runs over 4:00. Deadwax info has a crossed-out, machine-stamped "44192 1", followed by a reversed, handwritten "44292-1-1-1" (the latter matching up with small, # info on the 45 label.) The short version has a listed time of (2:59), an actual time of (3:01), says "Mono-Edited Version", and has handwritten deadwax info of "44358-1-1-1". |
Posted By: Tim Brown
Date Posted: 11 March 2015 at 5:27am
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"There are three edits and an early fade.
The edit points on the actual DJ 45 occur at 1:48, 1:50, and 2:15." Not sure what to edit out at these points, but that's a good start. When you have time, would someone mind sending me an MP3 or a few more instructions? Thank you in advance for any guidance. It would be much appreciated. Tim |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 13 March 2015 at 3:17am
| Tim, please check your PM. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 9:11pm
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I'll try to untangle the mastering history.
Stereo LP version (4:09) The earliest CD I have with the stereo LP version is DCC Compact Classics' Toga Rock (1987, original pressing of this disc), where it runs 4:06. There's a later pressing of Toga Rock with a copyright date of 1988, which has a differently-EQ'd digital clone of the 1987 mastering, except that it slightly clips the attack of the opening drumbeat, and runs 4:05 because the tail of the fade is two beats shorter than the original 1987 pressing. There's a new analog transfer on PolyGram's 45's On CD Vol. 3 '66-'69 (1988), where it runs 4:05. The same analog transfer is used on:
Mono 45 version (3:45) As Aaron and others noted above, the mono 45 version can't be edited down from the stereo LP version. You can sorta get close on CD, but not quite. Heartland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Fun Rock (1986) runs almost the correct length at 3:41, but it's in ear-bleeding fake stereo. This one hurts real bad in headphones. PolyTel Canada's 2-CD Ready To Rock (1988) is better, running in true mono, but it runs about five seconds short at 3:36. Stereo 45 version This doesn't exist at all; the 45 was never mixed to stereo. The closest you can get is an incorrect edit of the LP version, which appears on Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 3 (1998), where it runs 3:44. Aaron noted one difference at 1:44; there may be others. Mono promo 45 version (2:59) Unless I misunderstood the posts above, Aaron says that the mono promo 45 version can be created from the mono 45 version, with edits at 1:48, 1:50, and 2:15, plus an early fade. My recommendations For the stereo LP version, go with Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 1 (1990), which sounds great and runs out to the full length of the vinyl LP. For the mono 45 version, I guess you can attempt to hunt down PolyTel Canada's 2-CD Ready To Rock (1988), but it's pretty rare. I was lucky enough to get my copy via mail order through Silver Eagle Records, back when they were a functioning mail-order label. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 5:47am
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The mono 'single version' appears as a bonus track on
the 2003 reissue of the Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Good- Bye album on the UK Repertoire label, licensed from Universal. It runs 3:43. This does not appear to be the CD Fetta referred to in his post from 2012. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 7:18pm
I played that for Aaron and he thought it sounded like a vinyl dub. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 18 September 2020 at 7:22pm
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I remember getting one of those either "Ronco" or "K-Tel" V/A albums, and this song was the last track on the side. The only reason I have such a fond memory was because somewhere in the recording process,
the speed of the record master must have been accelerating. I remember playing this for my siblings and noting that the "Na Na Hey Heys were getting slower. They must have been thinking that I was messing with the record player or something because we never really proved the symptom as a fact. Still to this day, I keep listening for a slowdown whenever I hear it on the radio. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |