billy joel "all about soul"
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Topic: billy joel "all about soul"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: billy joel "all about soul"
Date Posted: 20 February 2008 at 2:55pm
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my cassingle issued as columbia 77254 contains, as the A-side, the "remix" version which runs 5:58......the cardboard sleeves states "special version taken from the columbia release "river of dreams"....mixed by joe nicolo, remix engineer phil nicolo, asst remix engineer dirk grobelny"....then its says "guest vocals by color me badd".......i didn't realize this nor do i hear them, but they're credited on the sleeve......this should be noted ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 20 March 2020 at 9:32am
| The database describes the version on every CD other than River Of Dreams as "remixed; LP version". As far as I can tell, this is the single version (both vinyl and cassette). |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 March 2020 at 4:06pm
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The single version is a radio edit. The LP version is not the single version.
https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/4382333 - https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 82333 The remix you speak of is 5:58 and was also available on CD single: https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/2287684 - https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/22 87684 The vinyl contains the 5:58 remix https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/4327706 - https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 27706 Hope that clears up any confusion. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 9:59am
| https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/4382333 - https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 82333 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 11:59am
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That’s actually not accurate. The “Single Version” on the US promo CD,
as Rich said, would be considered a DJ/radio edit (promo single version) and not the US single version. I do agree that the shorter radio edit is the “hit” version, but Pat would classify it as a “DJ edit.” ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 12:16pm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvomXlbTUM - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvomXlbTUM |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 1:03pm
That would be me. You're referring to the conversation we had on the Expose "I Wish The Phone Would Ring" thread several months ago. Sorry that after all this time, it seems so hard for you to understand why and how many of us label a song "Single Version" or not. It's been explained more than once and by more than one person. We can all debate the subject, but ultimately, no one is going to change anyone's opinion. |
Loveland wrote:Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 1:11pm
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It has been the standard practice in the fifteen year history of this board (as well as in Pat's publications in what we now call the database appeared in book form; a total of about thirty years) that any reference to a "single version" is to the U.S. commercial single version unless otherwise specified.
There have definitely been instances (and this may well be one of them) in which a strong argument can be made that the commercial single version was not the "hit" version, especially in the 1990s ("Ice Ice Baby", "Feels Good", "2 Legit 2 Quit", and of course "You Outta Know"). |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 1:30pm
Good points. Soul II Soul's "Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)" would fall under that category as well. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 2:00pm
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Yes, for most of us, when we say "single version" we
mean the "commercial single version." But I do always find it intriguing when there is a promo-only "single version," and I often wonder if that was the "intended" single version that didn't get used for whatever reason. I still wonder if the short version of Billy Joel's "Tell Her About It" from his "Greatest Hits" album was the "intended" single version, since its run time matches the run time listed on the original 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 5:03pm
No, I'm actually not incorrect. The "single version" to us here on this forum means something very specific. Whether the "Single Version" on the promo CD was intended to be released or not is irrelevant. What matters to us forum members and database subscribers is what actually appeared on the US commercial single. That's what we call "45 version" or "single version," which may or may not be the "hit" version as others have pointed out. I already said that I agree the "hit" version of "All About Soul" is the shorter "Single Version" from the US promo CD single. Hit version and single version to us are two different things. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 6:00pm
| Does anyone know the edit points for this? |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 22 March 2020 at 12:35am
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I have the radio edit on a TM Century Golddisc -- by
1993, I suspect they had the official label edit. From a quick listen on bad laptop speakers, I'm noticing two edits. The first edit removes the second verse and first half of the second chorus, from roughly 1:28 to 2:51. The second edit removes 8 bars from the edit, roughly 5:13 to 5:29. When I get a chance, I'll analyze more carefully but in case that doesn't happen soon, wanted to share what I see. Hope everyone's staying safe! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 22 March 2020 at 9:09am
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I think it's also slightly sped up, but I could be wrong. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 22 March 2020 at 10:07pm
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I have the promo CD single of this and here are the
details from Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About- Soul/release/4382333 ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 29 March 2020 at 11:42pm
Listening on headphones, this is more complex than I'd initially realized. There are four cuts, including a crossfade and one out-of-sequence edit. The times below refer to the 5 segments from the original commercial CD single. Here's what I'm hearing: 1. (0:00-1:27). This keeps the introduction, first verse and chorus intact. 2. (~2:51-4:22). This crossfades in, reaching full volume two bars before the "na-na" refrain. The 2:51 mark is where this clip reaches full volume, but it fades in a few beats earlier -- you can hear remnants of Billy's voice on "Soulllll," an octave up from the vocal on "Soullll" from the previous clip fading out. Then, midway through the next chorus (after "Who's standing today and who's standing tomorrow") we jump back to the *previous* chorus. 3. (2:32-2:47). This section comes from the second chorus and starts "This life isn't fair". 4. (3:13-3:47). Cuts on the word "Soul". 5. (5:29-End). Cuts on the downbeat, after "yes it is", and keeps the original fade. As Loveland referenced, the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvomXlbTUM - official video appears to use the same edit, if you want to hear it. (I guess Color Me Badd was busy when they shot the video.) Finally, to Doug's point, I didn't detect any difference between my commercial CD single and the radio edit, at least on the Golddisc, but it's possible that both are sped up from the LP version. |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 12:25pm
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Thanks for the edit points. When I heard the album
version, I always suspected that the single edit was not that straightforward. They really carved up and rearranged this one! |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 8:31pm
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Why would they go back to the second chorus for an out of sequence edit?
I can see why it only made #29. |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 8:33pm
For some reason, Billy's vocal during the final verse is his live vocal, followed by going back to the studio version. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 8:49pm
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FYI, both the "Single Version" (track 1 from the promo CD single) and the "Remix" (track 2 from the promo CD single) are sped up by about 1.9% or 2.0%, compared with the LP version. The song is not played with a click track, so the tempo varies over the course of the song. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 01 June 2020 at 3:35pm
That entire vocal performance goes back and forth between live and studio throughout from the first verse onward. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |