Jermaine Jackson-Tell Me I’m Not Dreamin’
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Topic: Jermaine Jackson-Tell Me I’m Not Dreamin’
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: Jermaine Jackson-Tell Me I’m Not Dreamin’
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 10:00pm
| FYI, Just did a comparison between a vinyl copy of this song and the version on Arista's Perfect 10, and have concluded the 45 cannot be recreated from the CD version. There seems to be parts on 45 not on CD. |
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 11:20pm
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LOL, on second thought, after listening to the vinyl dub again, I realized there's no Michael on it. The instrumental parts I thought that were on the 45, and not on the CD, were actually where Michael would sing.
What did they call those 45's... Dub versions, or something? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 November 2010 at 4:21pm
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I didn't realize that this was Jermaine's biggest CHR airplay hit until just now. It was his only CHR top 10, reaching #6 in R&R in June of 1984. The question is, what was the source for radio stations?
The vocal version was the b-side of "Do What You Do," and I didn't think that record had yet been released. The dub version that John references above was on the b-side of "Dynamite," which peaked in September of '84 in R&R. "Do What You Do" peaked in December of '84. As far as the vocal version on the 45 goes, it has a printed time of 4:03 and an actual time of 4:18. I don't currently have a CD copy to compare with. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 07 November 2010 at 7:54pm
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To John & Aaron,
I hope I am answering your questions (albeit in a roundabout way). There was no commercial 45 when TMIND was released to radio. There WAS a promo 12" [Arista ADP-9189] of TMIND issued to radio a coupla weeks before the self-titled album came out. This was not yet a common practice, but Arista did not have the clearance from Epic to release it commercially as a single (but they knew it was an obvious hit). So Arista worked it as an album cut up the R&R charts as the first emphasis track (although that term had not been coined yet). Andy |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 November 2010 at 8:01pm
| Thanks, Andy! Great info! Is the promo 12" version any different than the album version? |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 7:43am
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To Aaron:
It was the same version (although the 12-inch promo had better fidelity as the album was narrow-grooved). Andy |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 3:48pm
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I looked for this in the database and found nothing. So is the 45 version with
Michael vocals in it? Is it available in any CD? |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 4:04pm
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This song appears on Jermaine's Playlist: The Very Best Of CD release. It is the duet vocal version and runs 4:24. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 6:22pm
Thank you! |
Santi Paradoa wrote:Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 7:01pm
That's because it never charted on Billboard's Hot 100 and was never released as a single. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 7:40pm
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But the duet peaked at #6 in 1984 on the Radio & Records singles chart. This is one of the entries in the new Record Research book that doesn't appear in any of their Billboard chart books. If you listened to radio in 1984 you heard the song (whether it was an LP cut and/or eventually issued as a b-side). You're correct as to why it doesn't appear in the online database. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 April 2019 at 8:16pm
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It also appears as Track 3 on the Bonus Track Version of
the Dynamite album where it also runs 4:24. Aaron mentioned earlier in the thread that the vocal version of the 45 runs 4:18. Does that mean you'd have to fade the 4:24 version early? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 4:46am
Just FYI, it peaked at #7 on the Gavin Report's Top 40 airplay chart and appears on nearly 500 radio station surveys in the ARSA database. It's a shame Billboard never charted it on the Hot 100 as it was a bona-fide hit at the time. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:30am
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Did this song get any recurrent airplay across the
country? I started listening to radio late-summer '84 and don't remember ever hearing this song. I know the Minneapolis Top 40s played it for a bit based on the ARSA database and at least one aircheck, but if I did hear it at all that summer, it wasn't enough to remember (although I was only 8 years old). I definitely know I've never heard it on the radio since then. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 4:09pm
The station I was a weekender at in 1984 didn't play the song at all, as we had transitioned away from Top 40 to AC earlier that year (a shame since '84 was such a great year for music, but we were an AM, and management decided to pursue an older audience). I don't recall hearing it anywhere else once its airplay run ended. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 5:23am
IIRC, the song got more play on KDWB than on WLOL (mostly May/June of 1984). I don't recall much recurrent airplay at all. This wasn't unusual, as 1984 was a banner year for hot current Top 40 hits that left little room for many recurrents at all. By later that summer, radio had moved on to Jermaine's "Dynamite" and "State Of Shock" by the Jacksons. I think listeners were starting to suffer some MJ burnout by this time as well, as he had pretty much owned the airwaves for 18 months from late 1982 until the summer of 1984. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 1:47pm
I'm not sure MJ burnout had begun by 1984, but given the frequency of new releases by him, there wasn't a lot of room in playlists for his older songs too. And this was before Janet came on the scene adding yet another Jackson to the mix. Add to that the fact that many CHRs in the '82-86 time frame played very few (if any) recurrent and little or no gold. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 2:17pm
Well, I know that I was certainly starting to grow a little tired of hearing him all the time. Not only the Thriller singles, but you also had Rockwell's "Somebody's Watching Me," the Motown re-release of "Farewell My Summer Love," the whole Jacksons Victory tour hype and the Pepsi commercial fiasco. By late 1984 I was ready for an MJ break! |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 19 December 2022 at 8:59pm
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How is it that there was never an extended version, club remix, etc. ever released of this track? Especially with it charting in the clubs, you would think they'd want more than four minutes.
Especially if you're releasing this to radio on a 12", you'd think one side might have the LP version, and the other side an extended version for club play... To my knowledge even the expanded re-releases of the album don't have an extended version, so it wasn't even attempted in 1984? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 19 December 2022 at 9:51pm
Nope. A quick glance at all 12-inch releases worldwide for the song shows just the album version on all of them. Then again, Beat It, PYT and Thriller didn't have extended mixes, either. |
Posted By: Fastphilly
Date Posted: 30 December 2022 at 11:35pm
I own a US promo 12” of TMIND. That promo 12” is a three track sampler of three select cuts from Jermaine’s LP. “Do What You Do” was paired with another track (the title escapes me at the moment). The other side has TMIND. Arista never released a stand alone promo 12” of TMIND. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 31 December 2022 at 8:13am
"Escape From The Planet Of The Ape Men" (not one of my favorites...) Andy |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 09 January 2023 at 8:36am
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Thanks to two vinyl dubs from Aaron, I can confirm that there's a length difference between the LP and 45 versions.
The 45 version runs 4:19. The fade ends immediately after the word "dreaming". For the LP version, the fade starts in the same place as the 45 and decays at the same rate as the 45, but the tail of the fade runs about 10 beats longer to 4:27. I got my LP version from the CD Arista's Perfect 10. As a practical matter, you won't really notice it. The extra 10 beats are way down in volume at -40 dB. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |