Boston -More Than A Feeling Edits
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Topic: Boston -More Than A Feeling Edits
Posted By: eric_a
Subject: Boston -More Than A Feeling Edits
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 8:00pm
Hi all,
I'm trying to construct the 3.25 45 edit of "More Than A Feeling" edit. Has anyone done this, or anyone familiar with the cuts? I'm not sure if I've even heard it!
Thanks for any tips - Eric
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 8:46pm
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Not sure where the edits are, but the 45 version is available on several CDs. If you haven't picked up a copy of Top 40 Music On CD, it's a good investment. It lists darn near every CD appearance of "More Than A Feeling" (and every other top 40 hit), and it will tell you what CDs the 45 version is on.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 March 2010 at 3:44pm
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The database notes that "More Than A Feeling" runs slow on Millennium Classic Rock; however, I've found that other CDs with "45 version" but without a "runs slow" comment run at the same pitch. For instance, Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' seems to run at the same pitch as the album version, and from an online sample, Forever Pop Vol. 2 sounds like the album pitch, too.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:06pm
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I just did a careful comparison of the version found on Millennium Classic Rock with the actual 45. This CD should have the comment "unsuccessful attempt at creating the 45 version." The producer of this compilation has placed the edit in the wrong spot, so the first chorus is not the correct one. You can tell, because the sustained electric guitar before the first chorus fades completely out before the line "it's more than a feeling." On the 45's first chorus (which is the second chorus on the LP version), the sustained guitar overlaps the vocal.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 5:17am
Aaron, does your 45's pitch match the faster pitch on the T-L The Late 70s CD?
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:14am
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The 45's pitch is almost 2% faster than the album version, if that helps.
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:29am
Just FYI -
The same analog transfer is used for Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies - Late '70s (1993), Guitar Rock - Classics (1994), and Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1997; differently EQ'd digital clone of Late '70s, and the best-sounding of the bunch). All use the same edits (obviously), and have pretty similar sound quality.
I didn't check to see what's used on Sony's Rock: Train Kept A Rollin' from 1999.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:41am
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Are the Time Life 45 edits correct?
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:39pm
I think they are, based on you saying that on the 45 version the guitar overlaps the vocal on the first chorus. It overlaps for sure on the The Late 70s CD.
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 6:15pm
Another 45 I have to find.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 29 March 2016 at 5:39pm
Did we ever settle this with respect to the Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' pitch? It's now noted as the 45 version along with the T-L Sounds Of The Seventies -
Late '70s disc, but the T-L version has the faster pitch and runs four seconds less.
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 March 2016 at 4:27pm
So Jim (thank you again, kind sir) sent me a dub of his promo, which matches the T-L pitch. So the Soundtrack for a Century versions still need to be reconciled as
either "45 version but slower" or "edit of LP version in an unsuccessful attempt to recreate the 45." But they are not exactly the 45.
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 September 2016 at 8:40pm
"More Than A Feeling" is a great-sounding record, but not great in the audiophile sense of the word. It's crank-it-up-rea l-loud-till-you-blow-ou t-the-one-speaker-in-the-center-of-your-dashbaord great. Or memorable-air-band-appearance-in-the-TV-show-Scrubs great. Or inspiration-for-Nirvana's-Smells-Like-Teen-Spirit great. But it's mixed a little weird. It's pretty heavily compressed (the good analog kind of compression, like the Motown records). There's no "best" setting for the EQ - the masterings I've heard emphasize the guitars, or the bass, or the vocals, but not all together. I heard the same thing with "You Spin Me Round" by Dead Or Alive, which also is a compressed wall of sound with an odd EQ.
LP version
The oldest CD I have the LP version on is the single-artist Boston (copyright 1976), where it runs 4:45. There may be multiple masterings of the first Boston album on CD; mine is Epic EK 34188, matrix number 1A EK34188 37 C1. I think it sounds pretty good, or possibly as good as this song will sound on CD. The same analog transfer is used for:- Sony's Feel The Love (1994; absolute polarity inverted, which doesn't affect sound quality)
- Skifan Iceland's 2-CD Pottţétt Rokk (1997; digitally exactly 0.56 dB quieter)
- Warner Special Products' 1970's Classic Rock (1999; digitally exactly 4.5 dB quieter)
There's a different analog transfer on Silver Eagle/Capitol's 3-CD Formula 45 (1988), which doesn't quite sound as good as Boston.
There's one more analog transfer on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Those Rocking '70s (1991), which has a really boomy EQ and sounds pretty bad. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Rock N' 70's (1993).
45 version
The 45 is edited from the LP version, and pitched up about 1.8%.
The 45 version (proper edit and proper speed) appears on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s (1993), where it runs 3:23, and sounds pretty good. The same analog transfer is used for:- Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 10 Classics (1994)
- Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 4 More Than A Feeling (2006; digitally identical to Guitar Rock Vol. 10 Classics)
There are a few CDs that have the proper 45 edit, but run at the LP speed:- Sony's Forever Pop Vol. 2 (1995)
- Sony's 2-CD Rock Train Kept A Rollin' (1999)
And finally, one disc that has the edit in the wrong place, and lets it run out to the LP ending rather than fading early:- Rhino's Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999)
Avoid the Rhino disc for this song.
Here are editing instructions for recreating the 45 edit, using the LP version on Boston as the source. After you make your edit and fade, you'll need to pitch up by 1.8%.
Segment 1
Ends exactly one beat after slashing guitars come in right before the chorus, on a snare hit, at the beginning of a 4-snare-hit drum fill
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:42.2 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:42.2 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:40.9 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%
Remove the 124 beats (snare-to-snare) from 0:42.2 to 1:50.9 of the LP version on Boston
Segment 2
Starts on a snare hit, at the beginning of a 4-snare-hit drum fill
Extends from 1:50.9 to 4:34.8 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 0:42.2 to 3:26.0 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 0:40.9 to 3:24 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%
Fade
20 beats long
Starts and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 4:23.8 to 4:34.8 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 3:15.0 to 3:26.0 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 3:11.0 to 3:24 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%
My recommendation for the LP version: Epic's single-artist Boston
My recommendation for the 45 edit: Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s (1993)
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