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Topic: Prince 45 lengths & versions
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Prince 45 lengths & versions
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 6:59pm
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I noticed in my 8th Edition, many of Prince's songs are listed as "45 Version" and "LP Version," when in fact they should be simply 45 length. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these, but here's my observations:
I Wanna Be Your Lover - should indicate "length" instead of "version" Little Red Corvette - On the full-length CD, the songs 1999 and Little Red Corvette segue together. The first five seconds of the "Little Red Corvette" track (track 2) is the part where the segue is. For the single, they lopped off the segue and made an early fade. Technically, I suppose you could consider this a 45 "version," but that's only because the segue occurs at the beginning of track 2 (the part they edited off), and not at the end of track 1. When Doves Cry - Another early fade of the LP Version. My book says that commercial copies ran (3:59), but I believe it should read (3:49). Purple Rain - early fade of the LP Version I Would Die 4 U - Here's one that I would say "45 Version" (as the book does), only because on the LP, the song segues into the next track. On the 45, they cut the song right at the segue and added a whole bunch of reverb to the last note to give it an ending. Take Me With U - I discussed this in another post, but if your copy of the book does not indicate, the 45 actually had one edit, trimming the song down by about 10 seconds. Kiss - This one is up for debate as well. Typically, the book lists songs as "length" even if the LP length is shorter (i.e. Daryl Hall's "Dreamtime" as EdisonLite points out in another post); however, neither this song nor "I Would Die 4 U" are songs that fade out on the LP. So I'd agree that this is a 45 "version." On the LP, "Kiss" ends at 3:37, where it segues into the next track. On the 45, there is a short acapella guitar solo that fades out, and it adds an extra seven seconds to the song. Other than that, the two versions are the same. Mountains - Not noted in my book, but this song actually segues into the next track at the very end of the fadeout on the CD. I'll have to pull out my 45 to confirm, but I'm pretty sure they didn't just fade the LP version before the segue to create the 45; however, it is really only a matter of one or two seconds of overlap at the most. Sign 'O' The Times - This is an early fade of the LP Version. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man - This one is an early fade of the LP Version. Alphabet St. - The same thing was done with this single as was done to "I Would Die 4 U." At the 2:21 mark of the song, they chopped off the rest and added a bunch of reverb to the last note to make an ending. I would probably also call this a 45 "version." Diamonds And Pearls - My book does not indicate, but the 45 version is an edit of the LP version. CDs listed with a 4:19 run time have the 45 version (or at least the version that was issued on the CD promo single). 7 - My book doesn't mention it, but the version on the full-length CD has a five-second "gong"-like sound effect. The version on The Hits 1 cuts the first five seconds off, and the vocal starts cold. I do not know if the intro was removed for the 45 & commercial copies of the CD/cassette single. (Brian notes below that the commercial CD single removes the 5 second intro.) The Most Beautiful Girl In The World - My book doesn't indicate, but the version on The Gold Experience is not the hit version. It was remixed on this CD and has a completely different ending. |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 7:36pm
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Good work, Aaron! I'll check my commercial CD single of "7" when I get home tonight to see if it has the intro.
By the way, I don't know if I ever mentioned that the 45 edit of "Little Red Corvette" was issued on a BackTrax CD single back in '92. As far as I know, that's the only place to get the 45 version on CD, over a minute shorter than what's on "The Hits." I don't know if it's still in print, but there are multiple copies on Half.com right now: http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1897859&pr=332224 9 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 10:46pm
| Yes, I remember reading that in one of your other posts, Brian. For those of us who would like to make our own 45 version, it's basically just fading out the version on The Hits 2 from 2:56 to 3:08. On The Hits 2, the song does not start out with the tail end of "1999" at the beginning (where the drums of "Little Red Corvette" are fading in). Correct me if I'm wrong, the 45 is also missing this "fade in" at the beginning, and it simply starts with the drums and synthesizer like on The Hits 2 CD. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 11:21pm
You beat me to the punch, Aaron. I was on the verge of asking Pat whether the correct run time for DJ and commercial 45 copies of "When Doves Cry" should read (3:49). If (3:59) is the correct run time, then shouldn't all CDs where the song runs 3:47 include the comment: (:12 shorter than the DJ and 45 version)?
Is "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" an edit, a different mix, or an early fade of the one appearing on The Beautiful Experience (NPG 71003) CD? |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 12:26am
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Todd, I'm not sure about DJ copies, but I quite certain that commercial copies of "When Doves Cry" have a printed run time of (3:49). I just don't have my copy in front of me to reference for sure.
The mix of "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" on The Beautiful Experience is the hit version. (Well, at least the last track is the hit version--the others are remixes.) I don't own the full EP; I only have the single, which contains a shorter version of the song, rather than the full (4:36) version on the EP. I believe the shorter version on the commercial CD single would be considered the "45 version"; this was also the version played by most radio stations. As I stated in my earlier post, the version of "The Most Beautiful Girl..." on The Gold Experience is remixed. It is not an edit or early fade of the one appearing on The Beautiful Experience. They are similar, but there are obvious differences in the keyboards, the drums during the second verse, and the way the song ends. To recap, "TMBGITW" appears in the following versions on each CD: The Beautiful Experience (LP Version) 2-track CD Single of "TMBGITW" (45 Version) The Gold Experience (remixed) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 1:21am
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Okay, my two-track US commercial CD single of "7" does start cold with the acapella vocal. Total running time is 5:09. Second track is the Acoustic Version, running 3:53.
And, yes, the 45 version of "Little Red Corvette" on the BackTrax single does start cold. (BTW, I didn't realize until I was about 30 years old that he wasn't singing about a car!) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 1:31am
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A few more songs I should add...
My Name Is Prince - My research shows that commercial and promo CD single copies have the "Edit" as the lead track. The book should probably indicate "LP Version" next to the listings for Prince & The New Power Generation (aka The Love Symbol Album). (Eye) Hate U - No version is indicated in my book, but it probably should read "LP Version." I can say for certain that the promo single and import CD singles have the (7" Edit w/o Guitar) version as the lead off track. I do not remember if there was a commercial US CD single released. Letitgo - No version is indicated in my book, but it should probably read "LP Version." If anyone can verify, I believe the CD single's lead track is the "Edit Version," which was the same one issued on the promo single. To make the thread complete, I might as well identify the rest of the Prince top 40 hits... 1999 - The book correctly identifies which CDs contain the LP and 45 versions. Delirious - The book correctly identifies which CDs contain the LP and 45 versions. Let's Go Crazy - The book correctly identifies each CD as having the LP version. To my knowledge, the 45 version of "Let's Go Crazy" has never been issued commercially on CD anywhere in the world. The only CD I know of that has the 45 version is a TM Century Gold Disc. It sounds like the song on their disc is from a CD source, but it was most likely edited by TM to match the 45. The 45 version is a (3:46) edit of the LP Version (although it actually runs closer to 3:48). Raspberry Beret - The 45 contains the LP Version. Pop Life - The 45 contains the LP Version. U Got The Look - The 45 contains the LP Version. Batdance - The book correctly identifies each CD as having the LP version. (...I think...) I own the commercial CD single, which has only remixes of the song. The version that radio stations played (and I'm guessing the one on the commercial 45) is a (4:06) edit of the LP Version. The commercial cassette single contains the full LP Version. (Posted below, the conclusion is now that the cassette single has the "Edit," and that my initial thoughts are probably not correct.) Partyman - I don't own any copies of the single, (other than the 12" which has remixes) so I can only assume that since the book doesn't list a comment, the (3:11) LP Version is also on the 45. The Arms Of Orion - I don't own any copies of the single, so I can only assume that since the book doesn't list a comment, the (5:02) LP Version is also on the 45. (Thanks to Brian and Todd's help below, the singles contain an "edit," but it is still to be determined whether this edit is just an early fade or not.) Thieves In The Temple - I own the CD Single, which contains remixes only. I'm guessing that the vinyl 45 contains the (3:19) LP Version, since no comments are listed in my book. Gett Off - I will assume that since no comments are listed in my book, the 45 has the (4:29) LP Version. (See Brian's reply below for an update.) Cream - I will assume that since no comments are listed in my book, the 45 has the (4:12) LP Version. Money Don't Matter 2 Night - I will assume that since no comments are listed in my book, the 45 has the (4:46) LP Version; however, I know that a promo single exists with an edited version. I do not know if the edited version ever appeared on any commercial formats of the single. (Thanks to Todd's post below, we have verified that the commercial cassette single has an edit of the LP Version, and hence the "45 version" would be the "Edit.") |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 1:32am
| Thanks for your info, Brian. WHAT? "Little Red Corvette" is NOT about a car??? (hehe...) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:47am
There was, both a maxi and a two-track, and I just ordered the two-track, so I'll let you know when I receive it.
Just ordered that one, too. I've been meaning to get these Prince singles for a while.
Yeah, I have searched exhaustively for this on CD, and I've never found it. I ended up making my own edit from the LP version as well. A poster on the Steve Hoffman site swears the single was a different mix, but I'm just not hearing it. I'm skeptical, especially since he said, "The single mix isn't even similar to the album mix." I have seen some indication that the promo 12" did contain an edit of the extended dance mix, which IS a noticably different mix, but I've never actually bought one to find out.
Wow, I didn't know that! Are you positive? I do own the promo CD single with both versions, though.
Well, Whitburn does list the running time as 3:11. That's another cassette single that I wish I hadn't thrown away, because I just don't remember what was on it. I know there was a Video Mix of Partyman that was on most of the import CD singles, but I do seem to recall the cassette single being the LP version. Hmm...
Well, Whitburn lists 3:40, but the edit version on my import CD single runs 3:52, so I don't know.
Now this I do know: I picked up the cassette single a few weeks ago, and it's NOT the LP Version. I THINK it's the "Single Remix," which is the leadoff track on the US maxi CD single. I personally can't tell any mix differences, but the word "ass" on "Move your big ass round this way" is scrambled. (And if you've never heard the Extended Remix of this song, pick up that maxi single -- it's got several extra verses.) It's also possible it's simply a "clean" album version. Like I said, I don't HEAR any other differences. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 11:27am
I posted information about this and several other Prince singles recently in the "Single/album distinctions..." message thread. I have a commercial cassingle copy of "The Arms of Orion" and it runs 3:51. The cassette itself states "Edit" on the label but incorrectly states a run time of (3:40). Without having performed a direct A/B comparison, the single to me appears to be an early fade and not an edit of its LP counterpart.
My cassette single copy of Prince's "Money Don't Matter 2 Night" clocks in at 4:10 and is an edit of the LP version. By the way, I think my earlier question regarding the single version of "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" was misunderstood. I should have better phrased my question this way: Is the commercial single an edit, different mix, or early fade of the one running 4:36 on the Beautiful Experience CD? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 12:07pm
So I guess it can be officially concluded then that the 5:13 version of "7" with the :05 introduction is the LP version, while the 5:08 version without the intro is the 45 version. Another mystery solved by the good folks at www.top40musiconcd.com! :-) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 12:18pm
Brian, if there's a difference in the mix of "Let's Go Crazy," I'm also not hearing it. Also, I can't hear any difference in the 12" Extended Dance Mix either, which I do own a copy of. The only difference is they spliced in an extra two and a half minutes in the middle. If anything, I'd say the only difference on the 12" is that it's EQ'd differently, but even that is a stretch. Also, I'm 99% sure that on the promo 12", the "Edit" is the 45 version, which is just an edit of the album version...and the album version is just an edit of the extended dance mix.
Actually, I'll take it back... I think the cassette single did contain the "Edit."
The mix is the same from what I can remember; however, since I don't own the full EP, I cannot do an A/B comparison to find out if it's an early fade or an edit. If it helps, here's some info about the short version: - The spoken "bridge"/verse starts at (2:53) - The chorus following this "bridge" strips away most instruments except the drums - All the instruments come back at (3:30) right after the word "girl" - The song starts fading at (3:39) and is completely finished at (4:02) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 1:19pm
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I wanted to point out, as you'll see when I post the Variety 1981 chart, that "Controversy" was a Top 40 seller. It peaked at #37 on 11/25/81 (11/16/81).
Likewise, Purple Medley was a #40 seller in Billboard. (And has anyone noticed that "Gett Off" was a top ten seller in Billboard? Its Hot 100 position was hurt by airplay peaking at #56. Same with "Sexy M.F." -- #34 sales in Billboard. Guess radio programmers found them a bit risque...) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 10:44am
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Got the commercial two-tracks for "I Hate U" and "Letitgo." (Also the promo for I Hate U.)
"I Hate U" is the same as track two on the promo CD, the 4:24 (actual) Edit, b/w the Quiet Nite Mix by Eric Leeds at 3:55 (actual). "Letitgo" does not specify a version (except it does say "Edit by Chronic Freeze"), but it runs an actual 4:14. Other track is a song called "Solo." |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 8:16pm
| Thanks for the updates on "Letitgo" and "I Hate U", Brian. Looks like only the LP version for both songs have been made available on a domestic CD release. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 9:06pm
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More evidence that the censored version of "Gett Off" called "Single Remix" on the US maxi-single is actually mislabeled:
I forgot I had the promo CD maxi-single for this! There are six different versions on it, and what is called "Single Remix" on the promo maxi-single (and on the UK commercial single) is NOT the same as what's called the "Single Remix" on the domestic (commercial) CD single. On the promo and import, the "Single Remix" is an edit of the Extended Remix, with extra lyrics. It's immediately identifiable by his opening scream, which overlaps the music on the promo and UK versions, but not NOT overlap the music in what is called "Single Remix" on the US release. In short, it appears to me that what's called "Single Remix" on the domestic commercial CD maxi-single is actually the "clean" LP version, aka the 45 version, and is simply mislabled on that CD. Does that make sense??? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 1:27am
| Thanks for the updates on this, Todd & Brian! |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 27 July 2005 at 7:57pm
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I have obtained a commercial US vinyl 45 or "Arms Of Orion" and the label states a running time of (3:40) but actually runs (3:51). As has been suggested earlier in this thread, it is simply a fade of the LP length. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 11:49am
Hi ! New here! I was wondering if the reference to the 45 version of "Let's Go Crazy" being a different mix meant the crossfade. No one mentioned that, wasn't sure if it was being described as an edit. The rest of the song, I agree, sounds like essentially the same mix, but the crossfaded intro is unique to the 45. Someone hearing it might assume that the intro was remixed. Was this discussed? -Mark M |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 2:30pm
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Welcome to the board.
No, my remixed comments were in reference to the whole song. I think the 45 version is just the LP mix with the crossfaded intro and an extra edit toward the end. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:03pm
| Gosh, maybe I've become so used to hearing the version on my TM library, I don't even remember what my 45 sounds like. What is the "crossfaded" intro you are speaking of? The disc I have it on has an edit at the intro, but nowhere is it crossfaded. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:34am
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No, on the 45 (which I brilliantly recreated, ha ha), the spoken intro CONTINUES after the guitar starts, and his "If the elevator tries to bring you down" line overlaps the spoken part from earlier in the song. It goes...
"Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today To get through this thing called [guitar starts] life" Then simultaneously, overlapping: "And if the elvator tries to bring you down (Electric word, life, it means forever) Go crazy, punch a higher floor (And that's a mightly long time, but I mean to tell you) "I mean to tell you" is the end of the overlap, and it ends right on the second syllable of "Crazy," so the overlap has ended by the line, "punch a higher floor." You don't even have to fade it out... just end it on the silence right before "the afterworld," and the music on the other track is rocking so loud it totally drowns out the end of the overlap. And no volume adjustment... both clips play at full volume while overlapping. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 7:45am
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Yep, Brian pretty much nailed it with his description there. That was the crossfade i was referring to. I was thinking the poster on the Hoffman site might think that intro was specially remixed for the single (and then assume the whole thing was remixed), when we are really hearing about 10 seconds of overlapping audio from 2 different parts of the LP intro. Side note; In all the decades of music I like, I've heard 45 versions that range from a simple edit, to remixes, all the way to completely re-recording the song for the 45. But this 10 second overlap/crossfade is quite unique. -Mark M |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:58pm
| Wow, I just re-created the intro exactly like you described, Brian, and it sounds horrific. I don't remember the 45 sounding that terrible at the beginning, but like I said, I'm so accustomed to hearing the straight edit on my TM library, I've probably forgotten what the original 45 sounds like. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 29 June 2006 at 4:19pm
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reviving an old one here..........the commercial cassingle of the song "7" states that the version is the "album version" on bothe the cassingle sleeve and the tape itself.....but it DOES NOT have any gong intros.....just a note..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 30 June 2006 at 8:37pm
| Where does one cut to make the 45 edit of "Take Me With You"? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 June 2006 at 9:34pm
There's one edit near the end of the song. It's at the place where the "breakdown" is (that sounds identical to the intro). I'll try to explain as best I can: end of last chorus "take me with you -- ooh ooh" (2 measures - then breakdown starts) count 1 measure of breakdown - 4 count (edit) leave last measure of breakdown - 4 count - breakdown ends (music plays through fade out) In other words, the breakdown in the LP version runs seven measures. In the edit, it only runs two measures (eight count). Hopefully that makes sense... |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 30 June 2006 at 10:46pm
| I think I got it. the breakdown is just two measures. Question, does the 45 use the first measure and the last measure of that breakdown, or the last two measures of it? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 July 2006 at 6:37am
| First and last measures. Good luck! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2006 at 8:52pm
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For anyone interested in the 45 version for "Money Don't Matter 2 Night," it's two very easy edits:
1) Chop off the very first drum tap (so that there's only six taps before the cymbal) 2) Cut the last repeated chorus right before the word "and" in the line "and it sure don't matter 2 night" (the word "and" is actually missing from the place where your beginning edit goes, but mark the edit point on the same drum beat) right at 4:00. Thanks to Edtop40 for supplying this info! |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 7:34am
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Thanks to Brian for the description of the Let's Go Crazy 45 intro.
I was wondering where the edit occurs near the end. :) Also, could someone describe the edit points for Batdance? I had the cassingle --played it to death as a child-- and recreated it as I remembered it, but I come up about 16 seconds short... And may I just say once more how much I love this forum. :) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 10:26am
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The edit at the end is right after he says "please come, please come." The next four measures are cut out, and it jumps to the part where the beat stops.
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Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 11:18am
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Thanks! You've been a great help.
Now, anyone got Batdance edit points? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 10:53pm
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Without having my soundtrack to reference (I'm not at home), I probably wouldn't be extremely accurate. From memory, I believe there are only two edits, which are:
From the section that says "and where, and where...is the Batman?" to the section that says "stop the press...who is that?" The edit is right before the four guitar notes. Then, right after "this town needs an enema," there's a couple sound effects before the beat comes back in. The edit is right before the beat starts and cuts to the explosion sound at the end right before the repeated laughing. Again, this is all memory, but I'm pretty familiar with both versions. When I get home, I can try to post more accurate info. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 6:44pm
Unbelievable! I always thought this was just the LP version and the time was off by 10 seconds. This site rocks! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 9:40pm
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Just to follow up on the edits to "Batdance" ---
from (1:44) to (2:40) is cut from the LP version and from (4:55) to (6:06) is cut from the LP version I listed two posts ago the exact points in the music where the edits occur. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 January 2007 at 3:41pm
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Thanks to Jim for helping uncover this one. The b-side of the promo 45 says "Dance Remix" on the label (printed and actual run time of 4:32), but it is just the LP version faded early. This version also starts at the same point the stock 45 version does (and does not include the segue from the actual LP).
EDIT: I'm referring to "Little Red Corvette." |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 17 January 2007 at 6:31pm
| Are you talking about the promo 45 for "Batdance", Aaron? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 January 2007 at 12:00am
| I suppose it would help to say which song I'm talking about, wouldn't it? I'm referring to "Little Red Corvette." Sorry 'bout that! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 10:04pm
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Aaron pointed me to this thread and is very informative.
I concur with Brian W. on the 'single remix' for "Get Off." It puzzles me they would reverse part of the word ass, yet leave another line in earlier in the song that would seem more offensive. And, it doesn't to me sound much different than the LP version. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 10:26pm
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Went back and read Brian's comments about the 'single remix' for "Gett Off being mis-labeled and how the remix actually starts.
I think I've located the 'single remix' on the UK Now That's What I Call Music - Vol. 20. The music starts under the opening scream and it runs 3:59. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 5:12am
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john....i have the single remix on the commercial cd single...do you need a copy?? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 8:46am
| No, Ed, I found it, thanks. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 1:00am
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Here's some chart info on Billboard vs Radio & Records for post-1991 Prince hits. If find it interesting that "Money Don't Matter 2 Night" and "The Morning Papers" were both top 10 airplay hits yet charted poorly on the Hot 100.
"Song" (Hot 100 / R&R) "Diamonds And Pearls" 3 / 1 "Money Don't Matter 2 Night" 23 / 6 "7" 7 / 2 "The Morning Papers" 44 / 7 "Pink Cashmere" 50 / 21 "The Most Beautiful Girl..." 3 / 1 "Letitgo" 31 / 16 "Eye Hate U" 12 / 36 "Gold" 88 / 39 "Betcha By Golly Wow" - / 16 "The Holy River" - / 15 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 10:23am
I think that's because Radio & Records only monitored Top 40 stations for their main chart. Billboard by that point had expanded their Hot 100 panel to include other formats as well. |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 6:21pm
Also, R&R still depended on radio stations to report their playlists (not always accurate), while the Hot 100 had switched to actual monitored airplay. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 3:53pm
Just listened to my cassingle of "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" and it is an early fade of the LP version on the Beautiful Experience CD. Actual time is as Aaron reported above (4:02). By this time (1994) Prince was using that symbol nobody could pronounce so his name doesn't appear anywhere on the cassette or the sleeve. Even though both "Peach" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" missed the Hot 100, I just timed both sides of my cassingle. "Peach" is a censored version of the LP version (they removed the line "when her t+*#^=s bounced" half way into the song) and runs (3:46). The live side of "NC2U" is an edit of the LP version he recorded with Rosie Gaines and runs (4:16). This edit was actually released years ago on a Warner Bros. compilation Love Jams, Vol. 2 (now out of print but available for download on iTunes). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 4:41pm
A couple other factors to consider here. As you mentioned Billboard's airplay quotient came from monitored stations, which at that point were pretty much the larger markets, while R&R had reporters in smaller, non-monitored markets as well. This could have made a difference. Also, maybe all that airplay didn't translate into sales, which was part of the Hot 100, but not R&R charts (ie-so called "turntable hits"). Did enough stations care enough about a Prince song in the 90s to inflate airplay reports? I kind of saw him as someone whose best years were behind him by that point. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 14 March 2011 at 11:23pm
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Does anybody know if the edit of "Hot Thing" (3:40) ever made it to CD in any form, foreign or domestic?
I can edit the album version to match the edit EXCEPT one scream, which is taken from 2:33 in the edit & mixed back in at 2:51. ...Problem is, the scream is either sped up & kept at the same pitch to get it all in, or it is simply placed starting later... meaning I can't just cut on the beats... and using the vocal removal tools in Adobe Audition didn't yield satisfactory results. I found a digital copy of the vinyl, but it has been over-cleaned, causing dropouts from time to time & the vinyl has a brittle, scratchy high end like cheap vinyl or a mis-aligned (or worn out) needle. Anybody have a clean source for this edit? It won't play often, but I'd like it to be right & sound good when it does. THANKS! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 19 March 2011 at 1:04am
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One question about "Partyman." Even the CD promo in the pictures on Discogs says "3:11 / album version."
However, the CD starts with dialogue from the movie ("Gentlemen!" *door slam* "Let's broaden our minds!") while the video mix does NOT, and an unreliable source suggests the single version starts with the song rather than the dialogue. However, without the dialogue, it takes us down to 3:06 and, IMHO, is NOT really the album version. It can be edited down from the album version, but the album version includes the dialogue. Not only is the CD track marked to start with the dialogue, but the audio clip is from the part of the Batman movie where the song is actually used... it's not like it goes with the previous song. I don't seem to have the CD promo single anymore; can someone who has the CD or the vinyl promo please listen and tell me if the dialogue is or is not included? Thank you! It's these sorts of details that drive me crazy some nights. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 March 2011 at 8:50am
| There's a 3" CD single for sale online that lists "Partyman" as having the [VIDEO MIX]. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 March 2011 at 8:54am
| Just checked my Back To Back Hits 45 and it starts with the dialogue. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 19 March 2011 at 10:05am
Yeah, I've got that one. The US cassette single lists A-side as "LP Version" with a listed time of 3:11. http://www.guide2prince.org/prince-discography-2/partyman-us-cassette-single/#nogo - http://www.guide2prince.org/prince-discography-2/partyman-us -cassette-single/#nogo |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2011 at 12:00am
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The Video Mix of "Partyman" is considerably longer than the album version,
if I recall correctly. Brian and John are right that the LP version is the same as the single, including the opening dialog. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 20 March 2011 at 3:07pm
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So it DOES include the dialogue... wow.
I don't even remember hearing it on the radio, so I sure couldn't remember if the radio played the dialogue. Thanks for your help, everyone! ...one more? :-D Does anybody remember broadcast radio in 83 - 84 playing the flip-side of "Let's Pretend We're Married," which was "Irresistible Hctib?" (I might have taken some liberties with the spelling of that second word in the title.) ;) It charted together on the Billboard Hot 100 pop charts, & Wikipedia claims it received "equal airplay," but #1 I sure don't remember it playing on the radio in Oklahoma! and #2 it's hard to imagine in the conservative 80s it playing unedited. (OH, & I asked a quick question about the edit of "Let's Pretend..." in the individual thread for that song. Y'all's help is really... uh... HELPING! :-) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 20 March 2011 at 4:31pm
I don't remember either side getting airplay in Boston. It only peaked at #53 so I'd guess a lot of markets passed on that one. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 28 April 2017 at 11:45am
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Please remind me on this song that ended up as a b-side in 1985. Wasn't "Baby, I'm A Star" an edit on the 45 (a-side was "Take Me With You")? I ask because it looks like this edit will be a bonus track on the new deluxe reissue of the soundtrack album (due out in June). The listed time on my 45 is (2:55). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 April 2017 at 12:10pm
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Yes, "Baby I'm A Star" is an edit on the B-side. It's a very easy edit:
- Delete 0:00 to 0:15 of LP version (45 edit starts on a snare beat and piano slide, right after "1, 2, 3") - Delete 3:03 to end of LP version - Fade from 2:49 to 3:02 of LP version When finished, your resulting file will run 2:48 with the fade starting at 2:35. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 10:49pm
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"Let's Work" has three edits, a trim from the beginning, and a fade.
Starting from the beginning of Prince's fast count, "One! Two! Three!" at the beginning of the LP version: Remove 0:18 to 0:34. From what is left, remove 0:21 to 0:29. From what is left, remove 1:58 to 2:30. Now go back and trim off the "One! Two! Three!" at the beginning so the song begins, "Let's work!" Finally, turn the cold ending into a fade. The length of the fade runs all the way to the end of the song... but it's faded to nothing by the end. Your resulting file should run about 2:56. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 3:15am
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There is a short version of "Let's Work" on the posthumous Prince compilation, '4Ever', that seems to match the 45 except that it has been allowed to play out to the cold ending with no fade. One may be able to start with that file and just apply a fade as described above, to the last 10 seconds or so.
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Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 12:20pm
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Question about "Pop Life" - for the life of me, I don't recall ever hearing this on
the radio in Fall '85… Did they play the jarring "boxing ring / cheering crowd" elements that interrupt the LP version? That would seem so radio-unfriendly. Was there an edit or remix that most CHRs played back then? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 12:38pm
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Nope; "Pop Life" aired as-is on top 40 radio back then.
Some stations ran the song until the actual fade of the music. Others faded out quickly after the "ding" of the boxing ring bell. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 12:59pm
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Interestingly, the UK "Extended Version" of "Pop Life" is the original, unedited recording, which was likely later edited down for the LP. At 3:01, where the boxing sounds begin on the LP version, you instead hear another chorus on the Extended Version. 3:21 of the Extended Version is the start of where the LP version fades back in. If you wanted to create a version that doesn't have the sound effects, you could essentially just fade the Extended Version in the same place that the LP version fades out. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 1:26pm
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I would have sworn my station had an edited crowd noise section... I'd have to look it up to be sure... we're confident the LP and single versions were identical? I guess they might have shortened it for airplay... just the crowd noise was shorter, they left all the music and the fade as is. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 9:29am
| I only heard "Pop Life" on the radio exactly how it is on the 45. |