England Dan/John Ford Coley-We’ll Never..
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Topic: England Dan/John Ford Coley-We’ll Never..
Posted By: jimct
Subject: England Dan/John Ford Coley-We’ll Never..
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:13am
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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (2:49), but an actual time of (2:44).
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 3:07pm
Is the 45 sped (I seem to recall the pitch on the version I heard on the radio being a little faster than the CD versions I've heard)?
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Doug
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 12:57pm
my commercial 45 for the england dan & john ford coley song "we'll never have to say goodbye again" issued as big tree 16110 states the run time on the label as 2:49 and does indeed run 2:49 and is identical to the version from the below cd...the run-out groove etching is "st-bt-34730-1"....jim, does your's match mine?
(S) (2:49) Rhino 399164 Very Best Of
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edtop40
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 12 May 2015 at 12:26pm
Did we ever figure out if there's a speed difference or if there are two
different 45 pressings? My recollection continues to be that the CD
versions run slower than the 45.
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Doug
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 12 July 2016 at 6:40pm
Sorry to threadbump, but I'd still like to know this. Is the (2:44) version sped-up compared to the (2:49) version, or is it an early fade? (Or possibly both?)
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Doug
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 12 July 2016 at 8:52pm
Man, if I had a quarter for every time Ed and I have come up with different
actual timings over the years, despite identical deadwax info, I could sure
buy myself a lot more 45's!!! :( And then being called on to later defend
my timings, and refute contrary, after-my-report info submitted by Ed,
yet again, always puts me in a great mood....(Can anyone say "Jim Root
Canal?")
Nonetheless, I press on here, in the name of ultimate accuracy. My stock
45, which debuted on BB on 2/25/78 and I bought just 3 days after its
debut week, again has a listed time of (2:49), and again has an actual time
of (2:44). Deadwax info for this copy is "ST-BT-34730-10 1-1".
I also pulled my stereo/stereo Big Tree 16110 promo 45. It is unusual for
this era that it does not feature a mono/stereo configuration. One stereo
promo 45 side matches Ed's deadwax info exactly: "ST-BT-34730-1",
while the other side's deadwax is "ST-BT-34730-2". Both sides have listed
times of (2:49), and actual times of (2:47). No more. No less. (2:47). As
Doug has correctly pointed out, the (2:49) CD versions clearly sound
"slow" to me, compared to both my 1978 radio memories or either of the
45 versions I just played/re-timed.
To my ears just now, my stock 45 copy's ending seconds clearly
truncates *much* more severely than either side of my promo 45 did.
When time allows, I will forward dubs of both my stock & promo 45
versions to my usual experts, as I think there's at least a chance that the
two versions' last (1:00) or so may contain some edit point differences
between them.
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Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 1:35pm
For those who may not have known, around the time this song was released as a single, another version by Maureen McGovern was released but failed to chart and apparently wasn't on an album. I assume that's the reason why it's never been on any of her compilations and most likely has never seen the light of day on CD. However, Maureen's version is on YouTube (from vinyl, of course) so for anyone who might be interested, here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arg3cgVrlao - Maureen McGovern - We'll Never Have To Say Goodbye Again
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Dan In Philly
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Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 4:29pm
The First charting version by Deardorff & Joseph was played in
Chicago on WBBM-FM. It charted a year and a half prior to the England
Dan version. I see it bubbled under at #109 in Billboard but hit #22 on
the Easy Listening charts.
https://youtu.be/XIlyOkUNlo0
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 12:56pm
I just found a video of a commercial 45 being played on a
Technics 1200. The 45 runs 2:47. With Jim's commercial 45
running 2:44, promo 45 running 2:47 and Ed's 45 running
2:49 I'd say there were different pressings.
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John Gallagher
Erie, PA
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 17 May 2020 at 5:01pm
It was originally recorded by its writer, Jeffrey Comanor, on his 1976 LP "A
Rumor in His Own Time".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3iYtzjifOQ
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dc1
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 12:24pm
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I remember cleaning up the Maureen McGovern 45 and got it to sound like master tape. Then I ended up getting a tape source of that very single from someone who was at the recording session and saved a great quality version. I forgot about the Jeffrey Comanor or Deardroff & Joseph versions. It looks like it took 4 releases for the song to become a hit!
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