Amboy Dukes "Journey to the Center.."
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Topic: Amboy Dukes "Journey to the Center.."
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Subject: Amboy Dukes "Journey to the Center.."
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:05pm
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Although not noted in the database, my original Mainstream mono stock 45 is definitely a shorter "journey". There are two edits on the intro which are not heard on any CD issue of this song. I'm assuming the CD issues are the LP version and if so, should be noted as such.
Also my 45 has a listed time of 3:11 but a run time of 3:15. |
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:49pm
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Bill, yes, the CD version is the same as the stereo LP version. I'd bought the Journey To The Center Of The Mind LP before the 45 turned up in the cut-outs. The first of Pat's books I bought noted a "bad dropout from 2:25-2:28" on the first Rhino Nuggets CD, so out of curiosity, I put on the CD. And I couldn't hear any dropout.
Then it occured to me that Pat may have interpreted where the lead guitar pans from the left channel, to the right (at a bit lower volume) and then back to the left as a dropout. I don't think it is; that's the way it appeared on the vinyl stereo LP. It sounded cool under headphones back in the day. When folded to mono, like on the original 45, the level difference of the guitar panning is not apparent; hence it may appear to be a dropout upon hearing the stereo LP track in stereo in comparison to the same spot on the mono 45. Mainstream also released a single of the unedited stereo LP version in the '70s using the same 45 catalog number (Mainstream 684) on the newer multi-colored label. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 September 2011 at 4:49am
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my commercial 45 issued as mainstream 684 states the run time as 3:11 but actually runs 3:15 and is an edit of the full length 3:33 cd/lp version.....thanks john for making an excellent edit..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 7:56pm
| I know the Amboy Dukes' "Journey to the Center of the Mind" commercial 45 was issued in mono, but I've been meaning to ask if a 45 version can be successfully replicated from the LP version in stereo. I gather then from John's attempt at a homemade 45 edit that this can indeed be done? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 10:11pm
| Todd, it's close, but when I summed the stereo to mono as an experiment on my own, it didn't seem to have the same punch as the mono 45.. Have Ed send you the edit I did in stereo and see what you think. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 1:27am
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I have another question regarding "Journey to the Center of the Mind" that can certainly be filed under the "minutia" category... All of the song's database CD appearances to date consist of the LP version. On the various artists CD Nuggets (Rhino 75892), I can hear two distinct drumstick taps prior to the song's intro. However, the drumstick taps do not precede the song on the Garage Rock compilation (Varese Sarabande 302066565) nor the Nuggets box set (Rhino 75466).
Yah Shure (or anyone else who can answer this question), are there drumstick taps preceding the song on the parent vinyl LP? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 7:56am
Todd, no, there are no taps on the vinyl LP. I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for getting the mono 45 version of "Journey" on CD, since the band's cover of "Baby Please Don't Go" was one of the few tracks on the original 1972 Nuggets Elektra LP to be represented by the longer LP track (in stereo) rather than the edited mono 45. (2:35 erroneously listed time on the Elektra LP jacket, 5:32 on the label itself.) |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 1:08am
| Thanks, Yah Shure! |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 24 September 2015 at 11:36pm
I just pulled my copy of Nuggets (Rhino 75892) and there are no drumstick taps that precede the intro. I feel I've been robbed! The only identifier on the inner ring are the numbers 364. I bought this CD around 1988 - 89. MM |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 26 September 2015 at 3:54pm
| No drumstick taps on my copy of Nuggets either. Inner ring numbers are 1124 563 @ 1. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 26 September 2015 at 4:43pm
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My "364" CD matches Mark's: no drumstick taps.
But I thought I'd remembered hearing them somewhere, so I dug out my long-mothballed Vol. 3 of Dick Clark's All-Time Hits on Original Sound (1990; no Waring fds) and there were the two drumstick taps. And an extra bonus, of sorts: the split-second end of the fadeout from the preceding track, "Free Bird," just before the taps. Mark, you've been robbed twice! ;) For the sake of completeness, I also listened to the beginning of my '70s Mainstream 684 reissue 45. No drumsticks there, either; it plays the same stereo version as the Mainstream LP. I can only conclude that no vinyl version released by Mainstream ever included the two drumstick taps. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 09 May 2021 at 4:37pm
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I have also looked at my 1986 "Nuggets" disc (Rhino 75892), inner ring "364." As discussed earlier, There are no taps. I also checked a later issue of nuggets,
a 4-CD box set from 1998, (Rhino R2 75466)[Disc 3], and again no taps. So maybe the 2000 issue, a 2-CD set from Rhino, "Nuggets from Nuggets" (Rhino R2 76662), just maybe? Nope! no taps. So, I also dug out my long-mothballed Vol. 3 of Dick Clark's All-Time Hits on Original Sound (1990) [OSCD-8894], and yes there are the two taps. Thanks Yah Shure! I didn't clearly understand the discussion earlier, Was it the mono only 45 version that had these two taps at the intro? The song has always been a favorite of mine throughout the years, but I honestly never remembered those two taps on any other version I had listened to, ever! Edit: I played the whole Dick Clark CD through and found the last track, Canned Heat "Goin' Up The Country" has a major flaw. At least mine does. After the Song plays through and fades out, the track jumps back to the middle of the song and plays through again. QC was sleeping on this master! ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 09 May 2021 at 9:17pm
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I have 2 needle drops of the mono Mainstream Records 45
and can not hear the two taps at the beginning. But could also be the surface noise at the start of the song that covers it up. One dub is pretty clean. But no matter how loud I increase the volume, doesn't come through. |
Posted By: shipwreckxyz
Date Posted: 13 July 2021 at 2:57pm
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All of the mono singles I've found are on styrene, cut too "hot" and consequently distorted beyond what was intended in the master mix. Anyone found a vinyl pressing? Anyone found a mono LP? ------------- Calling records "vinyls" is like calling people "fleshes". |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 July 2021 at 9:29pm
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By the way,
For what it's worth I did find that the mix on the 45 is a fold-down (and of course edit) of the stereo mix. I confirmed this by sync-ing them together. But your fold down may not sound as "punchy" as the 45, it needs some EQ and a bit of peak limiting and you'll get a match. MM |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 14 July 2021 at 7:39pm
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Something interesting to add.
Found a stereo dub in my 60's collection. Opens with the drumsticks doing a twofer before the songs starts. Another stereo dub doesn't have it. Just another 2 cents! |