Hall & Oates "I Can’t Go for That"
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Topic: Hall & Oates "I Can’t Go for That"
Posted By: Brian W.
Subject: Hall & Oates "I Can’t Go for That"
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 11:20pm
| Okay, so the 45 remix version of "I Can't Go for That" is not available on any domestic CDs. Anyone know of any imports that have it? |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:40am
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Brian:
To date, I'm not aware of the 45 remix appearing anywhere on CD, which is unfortunate. The 12-inch version of "I Can't Go For That" however is available on CD, which as Pat points out is the basis of the 45 version. The best sounding CD appearance of the 12-inch version by far is on Hall & Oates' Private Eyes disc (BMG Heritage 58615) which was remastered and expanded earlier this year. When I get a chance, I'm going to use a digital editing software program on my computer to attempt to recreate the 45 version from this 12-inch mix and then burn it to CD! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:31am
| Another H&O 45 remix which has never appeared on CD in any country is "I Don't Wanna Lose You" from "Along the Red Ledge". Great song. Much better mix than the album version. But the CD releases always go with the album version. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:38am
Yeah, I may have to buy the 45 and give that a shot as well. I've done that with many songs that haven't showed up on CD in their 45 versions -- House of the Rising Sun, Let's Go Crazy, Me and Bobby McGee, One of These Nights, I Can't Stop Loving You... lots of others. Unfortunately, it's not quite possible to recreate the 45 edit of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" from the 12" mix, which is what it's an edit of, because there's one point that is mixed differently on the 45, where the second verse is cut out. So the 45 is technically a separate mix, not just an edit of the dance mix. Hmm, I gotta post my complete list of Michael Jackson 45 versions on CD soon... |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: Bob Lovely
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 7:49am
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To my ears, the 12" mix is a dedicated mix with a heavier dose of low end, a bit less echo and a bit less compression.
Bob ------------- Just give me the hits... |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 3:01pm
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the version that is on "billboard hot r&b hits 1982" is clearly NOT the 45 version...........i just notified pat as such withe the below email....
hey pat....thx for the attention regarding the website access.......i hope i can figure out how to work it............btw i just picked up the cd "billboard hot r&b hits:1982" and the song "i can't go for that (no can do)" by hall & oates is NOT the 45 version...........the 45 is clearly a remix of some kind........i don't know if the version on that cd is the lp/cd version but it is clearly NOT the 45 version.......don't know if this has been discussed yet but you might want to ammend the website data on this matter..........edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 4:58pm
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So is the "official" 45 of I Can't Go For That an edit of the 12 version?
The database lists several CDs with "45 Version" of this song. Does that mean that the edits are the same as the 45 version, but that the mix is not the true 45 mix on these CDs? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 5:38pm
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as far as i'm concerned NO cd contains the 45 version....i can't say anything about the 12" since i don't have that item......edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 6:33pm
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Ed, I think the dj copy of "I Can't Go For That" is causing some confusion on my part as it has 2 different versions of this song it. The version that I have been using as my standard "45 version" runs 3:39 but the version you are calling the "45 version" I think is on the flip side of my dj 45, runs 3:50 and is called the "club mix". Does the commercial 45 label state it is the "club mix"? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 7:02pm
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no.....doesn't say anything about a club mix......in the credits field it states this....."remixed by robert wright".........the 45's face states the run time as 3:50 an indeed runs that long.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 8:00pm
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I guess I'm like Roscoe--I'm confused as well.
In the old site, there was an "errata" section that mentioned (probably based on this original thread) that all CDs with the 45 version of "I Can't Go For That" are not the 45 version--they are edits of the LP version but the actual commercial 45 was an edit of the 12" single. Is that indeed the case? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 8:32pm
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yes and i don't know..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 December 2005 at 9:08pm
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That's interesting new information. I've never seen the DJ copy of the 45; however, I can tell you this much. The commercial 45 does NOT state anything about a club mix. I have both the US and UK version of the 45, and they are BOTH the same edit of the 12" mix. The version that has appeared on CD time & time again is an edit of the LP version. I thought this edit first appeared on Hall & Oates Rock 'n' Soul Pt. 1: Greatest Hits; however it has also apparently made an appearance on the original DJ 45.
My conclusion: The 45 version has never made an appearance on CD. All versions that run (3:39) are the DJ edit. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 5:17pm
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Hi
Just had to add this for fun - I think i have the 45 version on a CD but I have no 45 to compare it to anymore. I compared it to the short edit on Rock N Soul and it is a different mix. It's on a 1991 CD that does not qualify fot the database because it was a record club issue. i only recently learned what the bmg-direct logo means) "The Very Best Of Hall & Oates" DMC1-1005. It's a 14 track disc that nicely rounded up stuff that was omitted from Rock N Soul. Found it in a used bin back then. Anyway this one runs about 3:51, so it seems to be the 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 December 2005 at 11:47am
| Yes, you probably DO have the 45 version. Nice find! |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 December 2005 at 4:44pm
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Hi
Well, amazing as it is, I think I do not have the 45, but the LP mix edited to 3:50. Last nite Dave C. sent me the 12" mix. I got rid of my 12" and 45 years ago, because i didn't remember them being that different. Funny, now that i hear it again, I remember this mix - and i can hear how different it is. The vocal is much more up front, and the drum track is mixed differently. I only gave a quick listen to the cd, i was likely fooled by the brighter eq on the SP disc. When i hae time, i'll compare them properly (matching their EQ and do an a/b..) But if the 45 was erally an edit of this 12" mix, then SP disc ain't it. -Mark M |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 December 2005 at 3:22pm
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The 45 really IS an edit of the 12" mix. I matched the edits and made my own 45 version several years ago. At the time, I found the 12" mix on a now-out-of-print compilation on Buddha/BMG. It's currently available on the remastered edition of the full-length album. There are several edits, especially on the intro and at the end.
And you're correct Mark, it's considerably different---vocals have lots of reverb (and no channel delay like the LP vocals) and there's added instrumentation in addition to the remixing on existing instruments. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 12:23pm
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aaron.............can you edit the 12" single version or the lp version to come up with the correct 45 version????? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 12:25pm
I was able to recreate the 45 using the 12" version. Don't remember the edit points offhand, though. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 1:21pm
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roscoe.....could you be so kind as to send me an mp3 of your homemade version... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: anthology123
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 5:03pm
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Ed,
do you really have a homemade 45 edit of Let's go crazy? I would like to get that one. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 7:18pm
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yes....send me your email address in a private message. ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 7:42pm
As long as you send one to Ed, could you possibly forward me a copy as well? Thanks! ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 March 2006 at 10:44pm
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roscoe...........nice job editing the 12" single version down to the 45 edit version.............it is outstanding.........thx for sending it ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 March 2006 at 7:25pm
| Ed, I thought I sent you this one a long time ago. Maybe you never asked for it, so I never sent it. I can include it on the next batch of stuff I send you. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 March 2006 at 7:39pm
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aaron.....please include it on the next cdr you make....thx ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 8:45pm
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Diggin' up an old thread if you don't mind...
For clarification, am I to presume on my DJ 45 (RCA JB-12361) that the 'Club Mix', remixed by Robert Wright that runs 3:50, is the 'hit' version? Honestly, I don't remember playing this version on the radio in 1981. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 9:44am
| Yes, that would be correct. Although I don't remember what was played on the radio in '81, this is definitely the version on the stock 45. Given that it has never surfaced on CD (other than the long extended club mix), every radio station I hear it on plays the version on the other side of that DJ 45. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 12:08am
| Pat, somehow your comment in the database for this got truncated, and omits the description of the (3:50) DJ 45 version, which was the (Club Mix). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 9:31pm
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Pat:
I thought I'd follow up on Jim's last post to let you know the database comment for Daryl Hall & John Oates' "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)" is still truncated and currently reads as follows: (dj copies of this 45 run (3:41) and (3:50), the ) The comment should state that the 3:50 version is the "Club Mix". |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 11:33am
| Is there a quick way to tell if someone has the 45 version vs. the DJ edit? What are the differences? |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 12:53am
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Until seven years ago, I ran a web page about the U.S. popular music in Japanese.
Then I introduced " I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" 45 version that is the track on the Rhino CD "Billboard Hot R&B Hits 1982". Because I only owned the commercial copy of "the actual running time (3:42) the listed time "3:39"". One day, a Japanese friend reported "My U.S. commercial copy is not its version" to me. It was incredible for me. I inquired about the commercial 45 of the listed time "3:50" to some U.S. online stores, and got it soon. I'm convinced of "two 45 versions exist". But... I don't know about the hit version. As a reference, see the following scanning images, please. 
matrix number PB-12357-A-1 // Actual running time (3:53), Listed time "3:50" 
matrix number PB-12357-A-10 MR (a triangle mark) 107498 // Actual running time (3:42), Listed time "3:39" |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:05am
Though I have heard the "Club Mix" on the radio before, the DJ 45 flip-side containing the edit of the LP version running 3:41 is what I recall hearing on my local stations the majority of the time. And now that Abagon has furnished proof that this 3:41 edit has been issued as one of two commercial 45 pressings, all database comments for "I Can't Go for That" will once again need to be revised to reflect this new information because there are technically two hit versions. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:18am
You can tell in the first five seconds--the remix has a couple of extra percussion hits at (:03), and a long-held keyboard note over the drums at around (:05). The LP edit does not have either. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 10:05am
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That's wild!
I didn't recall two different 45 releases on that one. The one I have is the 3:50 version. I recall being disappointed when I bought the top R&B of 1982 disc and it had the 3:39 version. So in fact the 3:39 version is the 45 version, but the 3:50 mix is also the 45 version. Great find! ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 10:22am
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The thing is, only the 3:39 version is what appears on CD and on the radio these days.
I had a lucky find 2 years ago when I found a near mint promo 45 in a local corner record store...and it had both versions on it. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 10:24am
| The remixed 45 version actually runs 3:54, not 3:50. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 12:54am
| Sorry, I took a mistake. The remix 45 version surely runs 3:54. Another 45 has (3:42) of the running time, truly. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 6:29am
| To revive this thread, the remix 45 version is now available on CD on Playlist: The Very Best Of Daryl Hall & John Oates. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 3:50pm
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The database currently shows the following general comment for Daryl Hall & John Oates' "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)":
commercial copies of this 45 were issued in two different pressings, one with a stated time of (3:39) and one with a running time of (3:54) not (3:50) as stated on the record label and does not carry the notation "club mix" like the dj copies do) As Abagon pointed out previously on this thread, the commercial 45 pressings with the 3:39 stated time have an actual run time of 3:42. There are currently a number of CD entries in the database containing the 3:42 45 version, but for some reason none of them show a comment stating this. In my opinion, it would make sense for these particular entries to include a comment like: (this is one of the 45 versions which is an edit of the LP version) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 31 May 2013 at 8:38am
Well, there were two single/promo versions, so.... (a) The 12" edited down to about 3:45 will give the remixed promo version (I've done it to replace my worn 45-rpm disc!). In Canada, in early 1982, this was the version I came across the most in stores. (b) Then the LP edit will provide what I heard across the border on most American stations. It's also the same edit found on "Rock n' Soul, Part I". I tried once making an edit from the 12" to match the LP edit length. I like the LP edit better, but I like the remix sound on the 12". The final edit is impossible though because the keyboard voices roll off ten seconds before the splice. Crap! ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 31 May 2013 at 8:46am
| Of course, the remix/edit has been issued on CD in the US since Ed made that post, on the Hall & Oates "Playlist" CD. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 31 May 2013 at 10:14pm
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Thanks, Brian. I just downloaded it from Amazon. Funny,
I don't remember ever hearing this mix. ------------- |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 June 2013 at 8:54am
| Actually, I found the remix on the PlaylistCD. ;) |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 03 June 2013 at 6:59am
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Those Playlist CDs are really issuing a lot of single versions that have remained unavailable on CD format for years, maybe decades.
Beware though... Donna's death's first cash-in has been issued by Epic/Legacy. They have released a Playlist for her. But sadly it's just a re-release of her VH1 Live album minus the studio cuts and plus 4 live songs that were only released on the original DVD but not the original CD. Epic/Legacy is clearly hoping that people will not notice that all songs are live recordings. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 10:08am
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Here's something interesting I noticed today. I always thought the 3:39 single edit was of the LP version. As it turns out, this is a unique mix but very similar to the LP version. The difference is in the delay on the lead vocal. On the 45 edit, the vocal in the left and right channels are not delayed with each other, but the right channel only has an added delay effect. That means if you listen to only the left channel, the vocal sounds dry. If you listen to only the right channel, you hear a double-tracking effect.
On the LP version, the vocal in the left and right channel are delayed by about 15/1000s of a second, and the left channel always starts sooner, making it sound like Daryl is singing from left to right. If you listen to each channel by itself, however, the vocal sounds completely dry in both channels. All that to say, you can't actually edit the LP version to create the 3:39 edit. In my library, the best sounding copy is on Rock 'N Soul Part 1, but most other discs that aren't brickwalled also sound just fine. There is an outlier, however, on the Billboard Hot R&B Hits 1982 disc. This disc sounds like a high generation tape with exaggerated high end. My promo 45 sounds pretty much identical, sonically, to what's on Rock 'N Soul. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 4:35pm
| Wow, great catch, Aaron! |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 6:31pm
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Nice find, Aaron! ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:17pm
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Great catch, Aaron!
I was wondering if anyone knew if stations flipped the promo 45 over and played the club mix edit in place of the 45 version or in addition to playing the 45 version? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 6:28pm
Yes, quite a few Top-40 stations played the Robert Wright remix/edit. Not necessarily because they wanted a dancier version on the air, but because Daryl's lead vocal cut through in mono on the remix MUCH better than the digitally- delayed 45 or LP version. When this song was a hit, a lot of powerful AM stations were broadcasting monaurally, and of course many FM portable radios were mono. Mono compatibility mattered. Andy |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 19 March 2024 at 10:48pm
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I don't remember ever hearing the single remix before tonight. It's very interesting! Seems like it might not only be a different mix, but at least occasionally a different take on a few lines? Perhaps not; I haven't A-B'd it.
This video is playing all 80s 7" singles, and you can hear the remix in the link below. I almost fell out of my chair when it started up! I thought I'd been playing the wrong version on my station. (I am, however, going to double-check and make sure we're playing the single edit / mix vs. the album edit.) https://youtu.be/8lX1XmCo3nU?si=64HKikCFmGh7LQrP&t=994 - Yacht Rock on Vinyl Records with Z-Bear (Pure 80s - Part 1) - (Unedited) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 20 March 2024 at 8:01am
The single remix (or club mix, as it's labeled on the promo 45) is actually the version I remember hearing on the radio in the 80s. I don't think it has any different vocal takes, but it does use different ad-libs from LP version than the LP edit does. |