Fleetwoods - Mr. Blue
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Topic: Fleetwoods - Mr. Blue
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Subject: Fleetwoods - Mr. Blue
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:27pm
| I picked up an original Dolton 45 on "Mr. Blue" and notice that there is reverb right from the start of the song, unlike CD versions I've heard, like the Come Softly To Me Compilation and the 10 Best Series. On those CDs the vocal is completely dry as the song starts. Does anyone know if the dry version is an album version, or if the version with reverb on the vocal start has made it to CD anywhere? |
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 1:56am
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The Liberty "All-Time Hits" reissue, number 54515, also contains the version with reverb right from the beginning.
I'm fairly certain the single version is on both mono and stereo pressings of the fleetwoods greatest hits lp on Dolton but at the moment I can't locate either my dad's mono copy or my own stereo copy. My biggest problem is having too many records and not having enough places to put them. I will have to edit this further later on unless someone else can post whether or not these two pressings of the lp contain the single version or not. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 8:16am
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How interesting! I don't recall ever hearing a version with reverb at the start. While my collection doesn't include a 45 of Mr. Blue, it does have several LPs with the track. All but possibly one have the dry vocal.
Here are the titles I checked: Original Hits: Past & Present Liberty Mono 1960 Fleetwoods Greatest Hits Dolton Stereo 1962 Original Golden Greats Volume 5 Liberty Stereo 1968 Very Best of the Fleetwoods United Artists Stereo 1975 Mr. Blue is fake stereo on all three (and very muddy on Greatest Hits), but the 1968 LP seems to have a very small amount of reverb at the beginning. Should I be hearing a lot of reverb on the Dolton 45? And does your original Dolton single have the 6th Avenue or Union Street address? GM |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 1:04pm
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Nice catch, Bill!
Gary, I listened to the reprossesed stereo version on Original Golden Greats Volume 5 (Liberty 7575) and it sounds like that touch of reverb - which is only in the right channel - was added during the stereo simulation process. I folded that mix to mono and compared it with the Dolton 45, and it's still noticeably drier than the 45; not that the 45 is overly wet. If you were to compare the Dolton 45 with the mono 45s of "Summertime, Summertime" or "Blue Moon," it is drier than those. I have an RCA-pressed vinyl copy and the styrene pressing shown below, and both have the 6th Avenue address on the label. 
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Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 2:12pm
According to the BSN discography for http://www.bsnpubs.com/liberty/dolton.html - Dolton , the label moved from 6th Avenue to Union Street in 1960. I was wondering if only the first press of Mr. Blue had reverb and the dry version was perhaps substituted after the move. Does anyone have the Mr. Blue 45 with the Union address? GM |
Yah Shure wrote:Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 2:59pm
| My copy has the same address on the label as Yah Sure. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 30 July 2012 at 1:25pm
| Bumping up this thread to see if anyone has yet found a Dolton 45 copy of Mr. Blue without the reverb. |
Posted By: Bondy
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 4:08am
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Tom
Mr. Blue was never issued as a stereo 45. The only stereo that I'm aware of are, Graduation's Here and Come Softly To Me |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 6:20pm
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Wow, don't know how I missed this thread from four years ago. This is a great discovery. I'm not sure I've ever heard the reverby 45 version before. There seems to be reverb all through it, not just on the intro. Is it on CD anywhere? Here it is on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE6OkqFv5PM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE6OkqFv5PM |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 August 2012 at 12:49pm
| Has anyone checked the "Diner" soundtrack? It's hard to tell, but from the sound sample on All Music Guide it sounds like the reverb version MIGHT be on there... |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 03 August 2012 at 9:48am
| Sounds to me like the version on the "Diner" soundtrack has the reverb. Anyone else wish to comment? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 12:33am
Picked up the "Diner" soundtrack, used, for five bucks today, and, yes, it's the 45 version with the slight reverb. Unfortunately, the left channel is extremely phasey... the mono tape seems to have been improperly transferred with a misaligned stereo tape head. The right channel seems to be fine, though. I'm working on fixing that now, so hopefully I will have a good version within the next few days. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 11:33am
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Oh, boy, now I'm not so sure. The apparent 45 dub on YouTube does seem to have more reverb than the "Diner" version does. (I say apparent because they don't actually show the 45 playing, but they show a photo and the guy says it's from his personal collection.)
Does someone with the original Dolton #5 want to email me an MP3 so I can know I'm hearing the real thing? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 2:21pm
| Just sent one to you, Brian. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 9:35pm
Here's something I've never quite fully understood... If a song is supposed to be in mono, then by definition the audio in the left and right channels should technically be identical, correct? So can't the phasing issue with "Mr. Blue" on the Diner soundtrack CD be fixed simply by first deleting the audio in the right channel and then copying and pasting the good audio from the left channel into the right channel, thus making it true mono? Or can this method create phasing problems in and of itself? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2012 at 10:16pm
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I think that's exactly what Brian is doing. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 1:42am
Yes, that's what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 1:42am
Thanks again. I was gone all evening until late, so I won't have a chance to compare them till probably Tuesday evening. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 4:47am
Ok, I get it now... When you said you were working on fixing the problem "right now" and hoping to have a good version ready "within the next few days", I thought you were implying you were undertaking a highly involved and complicated procedure that would take you days to finish. That's why I was wondering if I was missing something here! LOL |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 7:33am
| I compared the "Diner" version with the 45 dub that Yah Shure sent me, and it's not right. There's noticeably more reverb on the 45 than on "Diner." So dead end. But a reverby version of "Mr. Blue" sounds familiar to me, so let me check my vast various artists import collections. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 February 2013 at 12:50pm
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my commercial 45 states the run time on the label as 2:18
and does indeed run that length and is an early fade of the 2:23 version on my cd titled as 'the very best of' on emi 98830....you'll need to fade for 0:03 from 2:15 to 2:18 to match the vinyl 45...this run time info s/b added to the db... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 04 November 2021 at 5:57pm
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I noticed all CD versions outside the DES stereo from Eric do not have the reverb. Anyone know where to find this huge hits correct 45 version on CD? ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 04 November 2021 at 7:18pm
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I've never found it with the 45 reverb. It's possible that
the reverb was added live as the 45 was being cut and it doesn't exist on tape. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 10:53am
| It's definitely dry on the mono LP. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 11 July 2024 at 5:59pm
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Can anyone point me to where this is mono on CD? Or it only came out in stereo that way? ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2024 at 9:31am
Well, it's mono on most CDs, but, like Gary Bonds's "School is Out," it's never been issued on CD with the reverb that is on the 45. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 July 2024 at 6:28pm
I take it the 45 prof has it on his youtube channel? ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 July 2024 at 10:36am
He does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbB1Nq6QINw - Mr. Blue 45 dub You know, I had said earlier in the thread that the "Diner" soundtrack version has "far less" reverb than the 45, but now, listening to the 45Prof's dub, I'm not so sure. I know that EQ and compression can affect the way that reverb sounds. Maybe that accounts for it? Maybe someone else can give their opinion? I have the "Diner" soundtrack if anyone needs to listen. I ran across a file that Mark Matthews did a few years ago where he tried to recreate the 45 reverb, but it's not right... there's too much reverb on there. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 13 July 2024 at 6:38pm
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Guys, be careful with The45Prof's posts. If he states "transferred from 45",
then he has done so. Even with that, sometimes the transfer is from a promo and not a commercial 45 - there were a few like that where I've contacted him with anomalies and he has reposted. Anyway, the post for Mr. Blue is from 5 years ago. In those earlier posts, he did not always use a 45 dub, and he did not state whether or not he did. After a while, he DID start using 45s, and stated so. Some of his posts say "CD source" also. So I believe this not to be a 45. There IS another post on YouTube that is definitely from vinyl, but it doesn't show it playing. There IS reverb on there, so maybe we can assume it's the 45. Check it out, Brian, and report back. I have Mark's dub that maybe compares to this YouTube one (no time to check for a while). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-mAFSN8gQ ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 07 April 2025 at 7:23pm
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Bringing this back up to the top. I guess a dub is needed to properly have the 45? ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 April 2025 at 1:46am
| I have the same question, Richie. However, given that no one has reported finding the correct 45 mix of "Mr. Blue" anywhere on CD in the nearly 17 years since this message board thread first began, it certainly looks like the only way to obtain the 45 mix is via a vinyl dub. I think Brian is probably correct that the reverb was added "live" as the 45 was being cut and, therefore, doesn't exist on a master tape. Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to manually replicate reverb exactly, as anyone who has ever attempted to do so can attest, unless you happen to be using the same sound processing equipment with the same settings as what was used on the original recording. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 April 2025 at 4:11pm
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Yes well another #1 hit that never properly appeared on CD... ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |