Out of Touch - Hall & Oates
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Topic: Out of Touch - Hall & Oates
Posted By: Fetta
Subject: Out of Touch - Hall & Oates
Date Posted: 11 August 2008 at 2:33pm
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The database lists the version of "Out of Touch" on the Hall & Oates Best of "Playlist" cd as The LP version. This version is actually quite different than the LP version (as far as I can remember) and is the one featured in the video.
This video version begins with a quick edit of "Dance On Your Knees" and then goes into "Out of Touch", which is also quite different from the 45 and LP version. There are breaks in this version that were featured on the 12" Single mix. I actually always liked this version on the video but never knew where it came from. This is the first time I've seen this version on CD. -Fetta |
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Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 12 August 2008 at 6:52pm
| I have always loved the video for "Out of Touch" as well as the unique mix of the song that was used for it, which is why it was such a pleasant surprise to finally see it available on cd. The video mix was actually available on a UK 12" single that had long been on my wanted list until the "Playlist" CD came out. Now, if only the video itself was available on DVD. H&O were finally slated to have a comprehensive DVD video collection released in 2004 to correspond with the 2 disc "Ulitmate Hall & Oates" greatest hits set. Unfortunately, it was scrapped at the last second. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 August 2008 at 7:20pm
| I can remember a bonus extended remix was included on some cassette pressings of Hall & Oates' Big Bam Boom album. (I used to have a copy and I really liked this mix.) Was this either the 12" or video version? |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 6:42am
| The video version was edited together from elements of "Dance On Your Knees" (as noted above), the Extended Remix, and the Dub Version from the 12" single. The Extended Remix that was included on the later casette pressings of Big Bam Boom was identical to the extended version from the 12" single. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 7:33am
| Just an FYI.....There were 2 Volumes of Hall & Oates 12" Collection CDs from Japan that were released a few years ago which feature most of their 12" versions. They were very very pricey but seemed pretty complete (except it did not include the 12" version of "Dreamtime" which is one of my favorites.) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 9:42am
| I didn't even know there was a 12" version of "Dreamtime" -- also a song that's a big favorite. The 7" is longer than the LP length version. So how does the 12" version differ? Is it a different mix? Is it just even longer than the 7"? |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 11:46am
| It's completely remixed and made into a "Dance Mix" with heavier drums and breaks in it. I have a copy that I took from a mint unplayed 12" if you are interested. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 6:05pm
Thanks! Is this the same as the 12" version running 7:37 on the remastered and expanded CD release of Big Bam Boom (RCA/BMG Heritage 58617)? |
995wlol wrote:Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 4:06pm
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An observation and a few questions regarding this song.
I noticed that the version on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties: 1984 sounds pretty terrible, and has some tape drag at the end of the song. It's not as bad as some instances I've seen, but it's definitely noticeable if you compared the pitch at the beginning versus the pitch at the end. The BPM begins at 114.9 and ends at 113.8, so the pitch/tempo drops by about 1% over the course of the song. Not good. Curious to know if the other 3:53-ish versions have this problem. The 1996 edition of the book lists Music For The Miracle (Columbia) and I Love Rock And Roll Volume 4: Hits Of The '80s (Priority) as timing at 3:53 or 3:55 - anyone have these? The true LP version (I think) is on Starting All Over Again (my pressing is from Denmark; I assume the US version would be the same), and the first part of the song has some vocal-like sound effects over the music left over from the transition from "Dance On Your Knees". The versions that (I think) are the 45 versions start with just the drum machine pattern and the guitar-like bass part playing just eighth notes. These versions are on the 2-CD Ultimate (2004 - sounds best of the 45 versions), the for-radio The A-List (1994, tinny sound), and Madacy's Rock On 1984 Vol. 2 (2005, boomy EQ). They all run around 4:06. My 45 is buried somewhere in the basement, making it a proverbial needle in a haystack, so I ask: (1) Does the true 45 start with the initial downbeat, which seems to be missing from all of the above? (2) How long does the true 45 run? |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 4:56pm
| 3:55 is listed on my 45. I will try and give it a listen later tonight. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 5:08pm
| If nobody beats me to it, I'll time my 45. It does not start on the downbeat, but starts the same way my CD copy starts. |
Posted By: Steve Sharp
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 9:34am
| I've always been bothered by what seems to be a missing first drumbeat, on every copy of the single version I've ever heard, including a 45 RPM single. |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 11:52am
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Mine runs 3:56 and starts like everyone mentions.
(Either I'm just used to hearing the 12" version or it being pitched up on radio but the whole 45 sounds slower to me) |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 6:00pm
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I'm bugged by that missing downbeat, too; reminds me of a similar issue with "Ya Mo Be There." :-\ ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 6:32pm
| Mine is in really awful shape, and there is too much noise on the fadeout to tell the exact time. It's at least 3:55. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 8:59pm
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Found my 45! It runs 3:56. It also runs at 114.8 BPM throughout, with no drift or tape drag.
Most of the other versions on CD are pretty close to this tempo, except the Time-Life CD with tape drag (noted above), and Realm's Gold And Platinum Vol. 2, which fades about 30 second early. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 11:22pm
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"Out Of Touch" on the "Whole Lotta.....Rock 1984-85" U.S. CD is the 45 version, but it has a slower speed and a shorter length (3:52) than the U.S. commercial 45. The intro of the CD & the 45 is the same. The 45's the actual running time & the listed time which I have are "3:55" together. (RCA PB-13916)
--abagon |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 08 November 2018 at 5:13pm
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Was anybody able to find a 45 that was the correct speed and did not drag
towards the end of it? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 08 November 2018 at 8:04pm
I think the rule-of-thumb answer is that the 45 versions that run about 3:55 on CD all have tape drag at the end. I can confirm that there's tape drag on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 6 1984 (1994), and on the following discs that all use the same analog transfer as the Time-Life disc:
The longer-than 45 versions, running around 4:10, all lack the tape drag. Any one of these will sound better than the 3:55 version. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 28 November 2018 at 4:45pm
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The Out of Touch version on Grand Theft Auto Greatest Hits seems not to have
the drag and it runs 3:53. I was able to find it on Spotify. Too bad it's not available on iTunes or Amazon Prime. |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 02 December 2018 at 9:28pm
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Anybody know when the fade starts and ends on the longer than 45 version of
the song? Trying to recreate the 45 version. |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 18 March 2020 at 1:22pm
The fade on the 45 version starts at about 3:40. It has completely faded out about 3:56.5 (after the word "time"). The "longer than 45 version" starts fading out about 3:47 (on the word "time") and runs to about 4:06. ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:43pm
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Does anyone know why this song was remixed for its video?
As videos are promos for the song, I always found it odd that RCA used a version of the song that was not on the 45 or album or readily available in any other format. I imagine that there were some people who expected to hear the same version as on the video when they purchased the album or single of this song! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 2:31pm
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Although I don't know why they used the remix, technically, the "Video Mix" was issued on a UK 12", so if your local store carried imports, you might have been able to buy it.
The video mix of "Say It Isn't So" is an edited version of the version on the commercially released 12" single, so you could buy the mix but not the edited version. The video mix of "Everything Your Heart Desires," as far as I know, wasn't available anywhere (not even on a promo) until the box set came out in 2009. I haven't done a close A/B comparison, but I think it's a unique mix that doesn't match any of the other mixes released. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 4:54pm
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Labels do it to get a hit! If the market for pop music
changes its sound, the label wants to put their song in the best light. Album versions though typically don't sound as dated. |
Posted By: davidlg1971
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 8:53pm
I don't know, but my theory is that they wanted to mirror the buildup of the album, which starts with Dance On Your Knees - which is a hype song, basically. As Aaron mentions, the video mix was released on vinyl. But my question is why didn't they issue a single-length edit of the 12"? The extra drums and Fairlight synths really make the 12" fly, and would have benefitted the single version, which sounds dry by comparison. For my money anyway:) |