dire straits--money for nothing
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Topic: dire straits--money for nothing
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: dire straits--money for nothing
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 5:43pm
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Dire Straits
"Money For Nothing" warner 28950 anybody know where i can find the long edit of the song "money for nothing" by dire straits....all cds i've come across have the 4:05 version which was an edit done AFTER the 45 was released.....the long edit which was released as the A side of warner bros 28950 and runs 4:38 in length is nowhere to be found......surprising since it was a number song.....any help would be welcomed ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:10pm
| It's never been issued on CD, to my knowledge. Though if you have any kind of CD editing software, it's not very hard to edit the missing verse back into the song. The 4:05 version was the radio edit, which is simply the 45 version minus the second verse and second chorus. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 3:56pm
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Thanks Brian!
Once again, glad i searched here. I was about to ask how one goes about making the commercial 45 edit. While restoring the second verse, I see why that verse was removed for the DJ 45. It is the non-PC verse! I forgot about it as I hadn't heard it in years. Regarding the version on the "Brothers In Arms" CD, Pat says "neither the 45 or LP version" - can anyone elaborate as to why? I seem to recall the vinyl LP was 7 minutes, something. Is the CD merely a bit longer at the fade? Oh, and while I'm working on Dire Straits, Sultans Of Swing- can anyone describe the edit on either DJ 45 running 4:38 or 4:45 ? I wanted to edit my own but was curious how it was done back then.... Thanks if any info. Mark M |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 7:22pm
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My Brothers In Arms vinyl LP has "Money For Nothing" running exactly 7:00. The cd version of this song on Brothers In Arms runs 8:24. The two versions are identical up to the 5:23 point when the vinyl LP starts the first of at least two edits of the cd version. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 8:23pm
| I too have wondered about the difference between the vinyl and CD LP versions of "Money for Nothing". Thanks for elaborating on this, Pat. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 1:07am
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Here's what's interesting about "Sultans Of Swing"...there's more than one take of the song.
Unfortunately, I've only heard the different mixes and edits, but I don't own the 45s to be able to tell which is which. I have a dub of one of the edits that runs (4:42). I think this may have come from the British promo 45, and not the US DJ 45. I can tell you this much--the edit that I have is a different take altogether from the US LP version. A friend of mine used to be the A&R guy for Dire Straits, so I'll ask him to clarify. (As an interesting side note, the band actually wrote a song about this particular A&R guy, which later became the hit single "Walk Of Life.") |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 5:22pm
Alternatively, if you'd rather start from the album version, here's how you do it. I just picked up "Brothers In Arms" at a yard sale yesterday, so I did this today to match my stock 45. All times reference the CD version: Start at (1:02) and quickly fade in to "I want my MTV". At (5:12), cut to (5:55) on the downbeat. At (6:11), cut to (6:25) on the word "my". The fade starts near that last cut and reaches zero at (6:37). Hope this helps someone. |
Brian W. wrote:Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 August 2008 at 9:04pm
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I'm wondering if all database CD appearances of "Money for Nothing" running 4:04-4:05 should contain a
"this is the DJ edit" comment... |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 9:27pm
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Just funny reading this because as of this week, our Canadian Broadcast Standards Council deemed it unfit to play any version on-air other than the 4:05 version. Actually I am sure you can play the album or extended version, but you had better remove the second verse and chorus.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 1:12am
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Paging 80smusicfreak! As someone with an extensive collection of cassettes, can you please let me know if I'm remembering this correctly or not. I bought the cassette of Brothers In Arms when it first came out (or at least my parents did for me). I believe that the cassette had the full 8+ minute version on it, and therefore this was not a "neither" version released in the CD era. Furthermore, I'm guessing that the album was probably originally released on CD along with the cassette and vinyl LP. It would probably be more accurate to call this the "cassette and CD LP version," to make it clear that it's not a version that was released at a later time than the vinyl LP. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 6:01am
| Aaron, did you ever find out any more info about the assertion that there are multiple takes of the song out there? They all seem like edits of the same take to me. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 6:05am
There seemed to be a bit of thread drift...the multiple takes comment referred to "Sultans of Swing", not "Money For Nothing". |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 3:45pm
Good memory, aaronk - you are correct. :-) In fact, I, too, ran out and bought Brothers in Arms on cassette in the Summer of '85, within a couple months of its release - and yes, I still have the cassette to this day. (Let's face it, "Money for Nothing" was catchy as heck, and the video was certainly fun & unique at the time, too, as there was no escaping it on MTV!) I'm glad you brought this to my attention, because not only does the on-line database need updating for this song, but "So Far Away" (another top 40 hit from the album) apparently does as well...
Yes, you're correct there, too... So for those who may not remember, here's the full story on Brothers in Arms across all three formats (i.e., vinyl LP, cassette, & CD): The album was released here in the U.S. in May of '85, and yes, it came out simultaneously in all three formats. However, even by mid '85, that wasn't always the case, as some new CD releases still trailed their vinyl LP & cassette counterparts onto store shelves by a month or two (or three); it was usually dependent upon how quickly CD pressing plants could keep up w/ demand, and in other cases, whether or not the album had proven itself at retail in the analog formats, and thus the labels felt it was worth putting the money into releasing them on digital disc as well. While researching this for Brothers in Arms, I found that the album did, in fact, debut at #24 on Billboard's then-new "Top Pop Compact Discs" chart in the June 8, 1985, issue of the magazine (pg. 26). The chart was a top 30, and only the second one ever published, but that was also the same week that the album debuted at #54 on the regular "Top Pop Albums" chart (pg. 76), which was of course based on a cumulation of sales for all three formats - so that indicates Brothers in Arms was one of the first albums to see a simultaneous CD release here in the U.S. (had to go back & refresh my memory on that one myself!)... At that time, the cassette was king (having passed LPs in sales here back in '83), so Warner Bros. decided to give us tape buyers a bonus - extended versions of FOUR of the album's nine tracks (cassettes being able to hold more minutes of music than LPs, of course). The label even trumpeted this bonus on the front cover of the cassettes. Photos on Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2108538 - DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" (U.S. cassette) Note the following, printed down at the bottom: "(dagger) This cassette features extended versions of four songs. Blank tape at end of Side Two is necessary to duplicate sequence of LP." The four songs in question all appeared on Side One of the album, so now look at the back side of the cassette insert, to the left of the UPC (bar) code. The four songs were "So Far Away" (track 1), "Money for Nothing" (track 2), "Your Latest Trick" (track 4), and "Why Worry" (track 5), as you'll note the same "dagger" symbol precedes each of those song titles. (Oh, and if you look at Side 1 of the cassette itself, the "dagger" is also printed following the titles of those same four songs.) So yes, the cassette featured the extended (8:24) version of "Money for Nothing", vs. the (7:04) version found on the vinyl LP - and in addition, the cassette contained the extended (5:06) version of "So Far Away", vs. the (3:59) version featured on the vinyl LP (more on that in a minute)... Warner Bros. clearly decided from the get-go that they wanted to release Brothers in Arms on CD here as well, even though the digital format was still relatively new, and not yet firmly established. The label was giving the band a huge promotional backing, and that included making the album one of the first "full digital recordings" (SPARS code: "DDD"), which of course was considered the most ideal for CD. However, there was a problem - the U.S. had only just started pressing its own CDs at the time, and still couldn't keep up w/ demand. As a result, we were still relying primarily on Japan & West Germany to press our CDs, and as I mentioned above, even as of mid '85, if new albums were issued on CD at all, they often still followed the vinyl LPs & cassettes by as much as a few months. So in addition to fast-tracking its release simultaneously w/ the two analog formats, by making the album a full digital recording, Brothers in Arms was considered a landmark CD release at the time. In fact, none of the early CD copies of the album were made here, as both Japan-for-U.S. and West Germany-for-U.S. pressings exist, the latter being rarer (have the Japan-for-U.S. version myself). However, due to the overwhelming success/popularity of the album at the time, Brothers in Arms is also one of the easier titles to find vintage CD copies of. Here's an early Japan-for-U.S. pressing currently up for grabs on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms-CD-1985-Mfg-by-Matsushita-Japan-MEGA-RARE-/171506810660?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item27ee9a3f24 - DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" And here's a (rarer) West Germany-for-U.S. pressing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms-CD-West-German-full-digital-collectable-/380812541968?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item58aa324010 - DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" As for the CD contents, buyers of the shiny new digital format were treated to the same bonus extended versions of the four tracks that were featured on the cassette. (A note on Discogs says that "Walk of Life" was also extended by five seconds to 4:12 on the cassette & CD vs. 4:07 on the vinyl LP, but according to Pat & the db, the song runs 4:06/4:07 on his various editions of the CD, so that doesn't appear to be true for U.S. copies, anyway - although a close comparison w/ the U.S. LP is probably still in order, just to be sure...)
After detailing all of the above, yes, I agree 100%. This also means that the actual (7:04) vinyl LP version has yet to appear on a U.S. CD, in addition to the (4:38) commercial 45 version. Including bonus tracks, bonus mixes, and/or extended versions of hit songs on the cassette & CD editions of albums was actually a pretty common gimmick/marketing ploy by the record labels, starting in '82 (especially on cassettes, since they were the market leader by far - it didn't really catch on w/ CDs until about 1987, although Brothers in Arms was obviously an exception)... Now, to bring "So Far Away" closer into focus: In the db, Pat currently shows the lone (3:58) version on CD as the "(45 version)", while stating that the six CDs w/ a (5:05) length feature the "(LP version)". It would appear that is incorrect, as photos of the U.S. vinyl LP on Discogs (along w/ other posted info) show that the printed time for "So Far Away" is "3:59": http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=770027 - DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" (U.S. vinyl LP) I don't own the vinyl LP myself, but unless there were multiple pressings of Warner Bros. 1-25264, I think that if Pat re-times his copy, he'll more than likely discover that the song actually runs just shy of (4:00), as printed - so if that proves true, it appears the vinyl LP & 45 were actually the same. It would also mean that all of the CDs running (5:05) need to have their descriptor changed to "(cassette and CD LP version)" - or something similar - just like the (8:20) and (8:24) versions of "Money for Nothing". Pat, could you please double-check your LP??? |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 5:39pm
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The 5:06 version of "So Far Away" also appeared on one side
of the promo 12" single, marked "extended version". |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 6:50pm
| Yes my vinyl US pressing of So Far Away on the Brothers In Arms LP runs (3:58). |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 12:26am
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On a side note (and just wondering) is there a "clean version" of the 45 version (the long edit) that runs 4:38 that bleeps out the inappropriate f word (not that f word lol...)
I am quite aware of the radio edit. I just happen to like the 4:38 and wanted to know as with new songs if they ever bleeped the words on this one. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2019 at 6:49am
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No bleeped versions--just the Short Edit. Would there really be a point of bleeping it? The included verse only has four lines, and three of the four lines include the word in question. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:25am
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I'm pretty sure I've heard "Money For Nothing" on some
AOR stations with the sound effect of the word being played backwards, so a version like that could exist somewhere. I do know that I've never heard the word bleeped out, though. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:37am
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I have an Import CD with a version of "Money For Nothing"
that runs about (7:05), and the music seems to fade out at about 3 seconds earlier. I listened for the edit at 5:23 that was described earlier and it seems to be there. So it's possible this may be the only CD appearance of the vinyl album version. (Although if so, it may need to be sped up to match the exact time of 7:00 exactly). |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:44am
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If AOR stations play the full album version but censored, it's most certainly an in-house edit. I'm not aware of any versions that have the second verse left in but with censoring on the lyrics.
Which import CD did you find with the vinyl LP version? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:58am
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That's probably true about an in-house edit for the
song, that's what I thought at first as well. This is the Import CD I was referring to. I got it from Discogs a few years ago. https://www.discogs.com/Various-High-Life-15- Affenschrille-Hitbananen/release/2232653 Not sure, but I think it may also contain the Single Versions of Kool & The Gang's "Emergency" and Double's "The Captain Of Her Heart", as the running times seem to match up. (The running time listed for the Double song is 4:35, but on the disc it runs 4:01). |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 August 2019 at 10:23am
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Thanks for passing along the info on that one! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |