PSYCHEDELIC FURS - "Heartbreak Beat"
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Topic: PSYCHEDELIC FURS - "Heartbreak Beat"
Posted By: abagon
Subject: PSYCHEDELIC FURS - "Heartbreak Beat"
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 8:46am
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PSYCHEDELIC FURS - "Heartbreak Beat"
The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:06), the listed time is "4:03" on the record label. (Columbia 38-06420) |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 16 March 2009 at 6:29pm
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my commercial 45 runs 4:04... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 17 March 2009 at 7:32am
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Thank you for the new run time info, ed. Sometimes there are discrepancies between my run time info and others. Then we may be able to encounter any new findings for different pressings. I have learned here that there are two or more pressings of U.S commercial 45s. So I have clocked some 45s of multiple possessions with the same turn table. For example, "KENNY LOGGINS-Danger Zone 3:32 & 3:33", "SHEENA EASTON-Modern Girl 3:31 & 3:32", "OUTLAWS-(Ghost) Riders In The Sky 3:36 & 3:37", "TOTO-I Won't Hold You Back 4:34 & 4:35" etc.
--abagon |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 1:51pm
| Are there mix differences between the 45 and LP? The db indicates LP and 45 "versions." Any info would be appreciated! |
Posted By: promojunkie
Date Posted: 16 July 2021 at 7:21am
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bumping this one back up. There are two distinct 45
mixes. I think one is a US edit of the LP and the other is an an edit of the New York Mix. Both are about the same duration. It's much more pumped and jazzed up with horns etc. This is the version I heard most in the NY area back in the 80's. It's also the version used in the video. The question I have is there a way to find the New York Mix edit on cd? The quality of the pressing on vinyl is rather awful, at least the import 12"record I purchased. Anyone able to shed some light on this? ------------- Rick |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 July 2021 at 8:16am
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Are you saying that some 45s are pressed with a remix while others are
not? Is there any way to distinguish between the pressings? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: promojunkie
Date Posted: 16 July 2021 at 8:46am
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To my knowledge, the New York Mix and single version
are found on non US 12" records. The stock US 45 is an edited LP version. Both single mixes are listed as 4:03 on most vinyl pressings US or abroad (various 45 and 12" pressings) (some list as 3:58) and are listed as being remixed by Steve Thompson & Michael Barbiero. However, there are definitely two different mixes. I was only familiar with the jazzier/pumped up version from the official video and NY radio. You can hear the difference especially in the first 20 seconds of each. I don't see any evidence on discogs of another US promo 45 with this mix nor have I found it on any compilation discs. I own the US stock 45 which is the lp edit. I can't be certain which mix is on the promo 45 because I don't own it and they are about the same length. I'm curious which version other radio markets play during '86-87. ------------- Rick |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 July 2021 at 9:50am
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When time permits, I'll look through my promo 45s to see if there's a second promo with the remix. On Discogs, the promo and stock 45s both have a label matrix of ZSS 175492, which would indicate the mixes on them are the same. These 45s also say "Additional production and mixed [sic] by Steve Thompson & Michael Barbiero." Although it doesn't say "remixed," the "additional production" note makes me wonder what "additional" stuff was done to it. Based on what's been reported here, the answer is that it's only editing of the LP mix/version. To confuse matters even more, both the New York Mix on the US & UK 12" and the "Single Mix" on the UK 12" have the same credit as the US 45: "(Additional production and) mixed by Steve Thompson & Michael Barbiero."
I do have the US promo 12", so again, when time permits, I can play the "Single Version" on Side B to see if it's any different from the 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 16 July 2021 at 10:05pm
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The https://www.discogs.com/Psychedelic-Furs-Heartbreak-Beat/release/2365205 - US promo 7" on Discogs has a note saying there are different mixes on each side.
I, too, have the US promo 12", but I don't have any 7" to compare it to. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 7:49am
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Sadly, my US promo 45 has the same LP edit version on
both sides, irrespective of what the Discogs entry claims. Matrix numbers are also the same. Andy |
Posted By: promojunkie
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 9:03am
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Thank you for the addition input. That's interesting
that the added note on Discogs about dual versions does not reflect what your promo 45 has Andy. I wonder if there were two different promo 45s with the same matrix number. I would think the video version was serviced to major market radio since that was the version on all chr and rock stations in NY at that time. From my research, the only known source for the video version is the import 12" New York Mix. I'd still like to find this version on cd if it exists. ------------- Rick |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 9:16am
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What I would believe to be the 'remixed 45 version' of "Heartbreak Beat" is available on the Warner Special Products various artists comp On the Edge from the
year 2000. On that compilation, the track runs 4:05 with outro silence, and is either an edit of the 12" Extended Mix (New York Mix) or a short remix from the same sessions as the 12" Extended Mix (I have not verified that the short version can be extracted from the long, if you follow.) |
Posted By: promojunkie
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 9:28am
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thank you for that info! Do you have that compilation?
If the version on the disc matches the official video found on youtube, its a match. ------------- Rick |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 9:31am
| Hi Rick - I have the comp. I will do a little comparison to the video and report back. |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 9:53am
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Ugh. Mass confusion ensuing...
Check this out: The version on On the Edge does not match the Video Version exactly, due to some horn overdubs present in the video that are not on the On the Edge version. I kept on digging though, and found that the version used in the video is a match to the "Single Mix" from the UK 12" Single, as per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfVTuJwQ39E - this Youtube video , as you already surmised. Additionally, I found a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdbnlitnkKw - different video of a U.S. 45 that plays the exact same remix as found on On the Edge. So, it seems to me that the U.S. remixed 45 version and the Video Version aka "Single Mix" are similar but not identical mixes, so the compilation contains a correct 45 Version, but not specifically the Video Version you're looking for. Now I am considering the possibility that the UK 45 could match the 12" "Single Mix" from the UK, and if that is the case then if there are compilation appearances of "Heartbreak Beat" that originate in the UK, they could be the 'Video Version'. Of course, this is complete conjecture on my part. Oh well - sorry for getting your hopes up, but I definitely learned something about the available mixes of this song today, LOL. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 3:35pm
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By the way, my promo 45 with both sides
the LP edit says it's mixed by Steve Thompson & Michael Barbiero. I don't believe it is - it sounds more like English producer Chris Kimsey mixed it. Thompson & Barbiero are both native New Yorkers which is probably why the remix is called 'NY Mix'. The remix does sound like their work. Pure conjecture on my part; does anyone else concur? Andy |
Posted By: promojunkie
Date Posted: 17 July 2021 at 6:41pm
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That sounds plausible to me. Trying to find the video
version/ny mix edit on cd is challenging because the remix credits and track length are the same. I'm curious which version is considered the hit version in the U.S. ------------- Rick |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 16 August 2021 at 7:41pm
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What needs to be edited from the US LP version to create the non-remixed 45? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 August 2021 at 4:14pm
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I didn't do a detailed A/B comparison, but I quickly gave a listen to both my promo 45 and promo 12" single, and there are obvious differences between the two formats. The promo 45 has a label matrix of ZSS 175492 and has the same version on both sides (I played each side to confirm). This version sounds like an edit of the LP mix, which is consistent with what others here have reported. The promo 12" has a label matrix of XSS 175494 on the side labeled "Single Version," and this version is a different mix that sounds like the one appearing on the CD compilation On The Edge. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MikeM
Date Posted: 19 August 2021 at 8:19am
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I have both files of the Single Mix and the 45 Edit which
the 45 Edit is from the On The Edge compilation. I saw it mentioned in one of the comments before that the difference is the horns at the front of it in the single mix. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 August 2021 at 8:46am
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Are the edits for the LP mix the same edits used to create
the 45 version on On The Edge? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 08 January 2024 at 7:06am
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The LP version does not have the kick drum on every beat. So right off the bat you can tell if you have an LP edit.
The US promo 12" with the Album Version on one side and Single Version on the other is indeed the album version and the US 45 version. The US 45 is not an edit of the LP version because it has a kick drum on every beat. Congas start at 0:17 right before the lyrics. The break at 2:25 has no kick drum but extra percussion as compared to the UK 45. The UK 45 & video version also has the kick drum on every beat and jumps right into horns and congas at the start. The kick drum is plainly heard in the break at 2:25. The version on On the Edge is the US 45 version. The version on https://www.discogs.com/release/3114133-Various-87-Hits-Out - 87 Hits Out (Australian CD) is the UK 45 & video version. I am still curious to know what is on the US promo 45(s)! I PM'd the submitter of the one on Discogs to confirm the versions on it differ and to see if he can help figure out what they are. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 08 January 2024 at 12:34pm
According to AndrewChouffi on page 1 of this thread, the US promo 45 contains the LP edit. |
mjb50 wrote:Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 08 January 2024 at 1:20pm
But that was in response to promojunkie saying the US 45 contains an LP edit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdbnlitnkKw - which is incorrect , according to my research. I am trying to find out whether an LP edit actually exists. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 08 January 2024 at 2:02pm
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Guess I'm confused then because aaronk, who owns both the
promo 45 and 12", also indicated on the last page that the promo 45 sounds like an edit of the LP version. |