Complete Motown Singles 1971 - 11B
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Topic: Complete Motown Singles 1971 - 11B
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: Complete Motown Singles 1971 - 11B
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 9:44pm
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Track listing is now out:
http://www.hiposelect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=76DE7FB9-2E04-451B-82BC-C21DB4A07A26 - 1971 -11B I see a number of stereo promo versions mentioned. Any difference between those and the commercial 45 versions? |
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 10:30pm
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The Messengers' #62 hit "That's The Way A Woman Is" has differences between the mono and stereo sides of the Rare Earth promo 45. Commercial 45s were mono.
The stereo side runs at a faster pitch (1:55 vs. the 1:58 mono) and has a wetter lead vocal, panned both hard left and hard right. The mono vocals are drier and more upfront, and the lead singer takes a noticeable breath before his first line. Most of that breath is missing on the stereo side. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 11:37pm
| Thanks for the heads-up on that, John. Didn't know it would be seeing the light of day quite this soon after 11A's release in Nov., but I'll take it, and I have just pre-ordered it. The website says the release date is 1/20. Also, it's good to see that the Hip-O Select website is back on the beam, after being totally "MIA" regarding the release/existance of a Vol. 11A in the series! Pat, as usual, I will provide you with "guest reviewer" details for the songs that appear on Vol. 11B that are currently in your database. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 4:59am
| Jeez, I still haven't hard back from Harry Weinger regarding Mama's Pearl. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 5:58am
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"Touch" by the Supremes (stereo promo)was unique to the prmoo, it doesn't match the stereo LP version in vocal placement and the piano is hotter on the intro. I don't think a fold down to mono gets you the exact mono mix but it's close.
"Hey Big Brother" by Rare Earth is interesting because only the long stereo promo version has made it to CD. The mono single which has a different introduction makes it's first appearance here. |
Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 12 January 2009 at 7:39am
ditto. i won't buy 11a until it's corrected. |
Brian W. wrote:Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 3:27pm
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Granted, it's still not at retail (or iTunes), but for anyone who does have it, is the proper 45 version of the Four Tops' "MacArthur Park (Part 2)" on there, or is it wrong?
And Brian, anything further on your quest to get ahold of Weinger regarding "Mama's Pearl?" ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 4:03pm
| Guys, Hip-O Select, for some unknown reason, decided to use Fedex this time to ship Vol. 11B out to my PO Box last Friday, which they can't legally deliver to. That had never happened to me before from Hip-O Select. So, after the usual Fedex postcard to "please call our customer service so we can get an address" shenanigans, I've finally been told I'll get it on Monday. But my suspicion is that other folks, who've experienced less drama that I have here, may well have gotten it back on Monday. I'll provide details to both the Board, and a "guest review" for Pat, whenever it finally gets to me. :( |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 30 January 2009 at 8:46pm
Not till the other day, when I sent him two additional emails asking him, one, if he knew the status of any repressing, and, two, if he was aware that, according to Waldo, "She's Good" is also incorrect. I also mentioned "ABC." He did finally respond on 1/26 and apologized for the delay in getting back to me, and thanked me for sending him the error list. It was the first he'd heard about "ABC" being the wrong version. Then he promised he'd get back to me about the repress. Hopefully I'll hear something more definitive from him soon. (I also recommended he check out this site.) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 30 January 2009 at 8:48pm
I read on the Steve Hoffman board that what happened is Hip-O changed fulfillment centers, and their new fulfillment center uses Fed-Ex. Hip-O doesn't actually do the packaging and shipping themselves... they farm the work out to another company. (Just be thankful it wasn't shipped from India.) |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 3:19pm
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Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 5:53am
thanks Brian, i gave in and purchased 11A in the end.. 'She's Good' is even mentioned in the book.. but it's 100% not what one hears on the disc! they have the group album version. a short promotional version of Maybe Tomorrow is also MIA! http://www.jackson5abc.com/albums/maybe-tomorrow/maybe-tomor row/ |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 7:50am
Wonderful. Look forward to getting it when it gets on iTunes. Which seemingly will be 3/3/09. Thanks for your help, Jim. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 6:59pm
| Brian, since it seems like there's a chance of some corrected re-pressings for some of these discs, next time you communicate with Harry Weinger, could you also submit to him for inclusion the short stock 45 version of the Temptations "Run Away Child, Running Wild", which I now have two U.S. stock copies of? It had to also be issued to radio as a promo 45 as well, back in 1969. And FYI, Pat has been kind enough to have now finished entering all of the details for Vol. 11B's current database entries into his database. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 7:32pm
| After looking at Pat's inputed info, was really hoping that the 3:04 version of "Hey Big Brother" would have been in stereo, rather than mono. I have a copy of the stock 45 and it's mono, so that's what they must have used. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 06 February 2009 at 12:09am
If I ever hear from him again, I will mention it, Jim. Thanks. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 10:04am
Is the mono 45 version of "Maybe Tomorrow" the same mix as the stereo DJ version running 4:32 (aside from the inherent left-right channel panning differences between the mono and stereo)? |
Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 5:09am
i think it's the same, however there are some vocal differences between the mono 45, promotional stereo 45 and album versions. the line approximately at 2:04 on the album version "..maybe she won't.." is omitted on the mono and promotional stereo 45's. incidently on the recent compilation Michael Jackson Gold - a Mono 45 exists but with the "..maybe she won't.." line. go figure. we are calling that a Mono LP version but matching the 45 length. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 11:42am
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Never mind. I have it wrong. ------------- |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 12:33pm
Besides the track being mono, what else is unique on this mix (versus the stereo 45 mix currently listed in the database)? Or, what is wrong with the stereo single version? Just trying to determine what exactly is different between the two. The vinyl 45 starts with the "bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum" introduction sung by Tito Jackson. Thought that was how you could indentify the 45 vs. the LP mix? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 1:13pm
Grant may have gotten "Sugar Daddy" and "Mama's Pearl" confused. Lay off the weed, Grant. ;) Santi, aside from the "bum bum bum" at the beginning, there is at least one other difference in the 45 version: At about 2:38 on the single, Michael sings, "Let your conscience go, now, now." At the same spot in the LP version, he shouts, "Let your conscience gooooo!" |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 1:47pm
| 11B is now available on Napster and iTunes as of today. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 4:36pm
| Back to the subject of "Sugar Daddy", were there any differences between the stereo and mono version? Was the mono on 11B a fold down? |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 06 March 2009 at 7:23am
It's a dedicated mono mix. The strings are mixed down on the mono 45. ------------- |
Posted By: waldo
Date Posted: 10 March 2009 at 6:15am
another difference between the Mono single and Stereo album is the way Michael sings: "..But don't you know good lovin’ is the spice of life.." it's different. i would say it's an entirely different vocal take, but Michael being the professional he is sings them exactly the same way, it's hard to notice. |