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Topic: Re-recorded hits
Posted By: Hykker
Subject: Re-recorded hits
Date Posted: 14 February 2009 at 5:14pm
So as not to threadjack the "No Time" thread.
Add to that: Sounds of Silence--Simon & Garfunkel Foolish Games & You Were Meant For Me--Jewel was "All Right Now"--Free a different recording for the single or just dramatically remixed? It could also be argued that many ABC/Dunhill singles from the late 60s/early 70s could fall under this umbrella as well since they were noticeably different in mix and sometimes vocals from the album versions (though in those cases often the single came first) |
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 14 February 2009 at 7:34pm
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To Hykker:
The 45 of "All Right Now" was, as you put it, 'dramatically remixed'. Rhythm guitars were rerecorded with more crunch (& more notes). Cowbell replaced a temple block. Much of the origanal track, including lead vocal & guitar solo, remained on the 45. It's just hard to tell because the new mix/edit was really superior as far as punch-on-the-radio goes. Andy |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 14 February 2009 at 8:49pm
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Wasn't the 45 of Booker T. & The M.G.'s "Time Is Tight" a completely different recording from the LP version?
I suppose we could also count "Revolution" by the Beatles (the B-side of "Hey Jude" drastically different from the recording on The White Album). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 14 February 2009 at 9:51pm
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Whitesnake "Here I Go Again" 45 rpm disc was a re-recorded session.
Not exactly on-topic, but the video version of Billy Joel's "Still Rock and Roll To Me" contained a re-recorded vocal track. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 14 February 2009 at 10:30pm
Wow! I had no idea about that one. I guess you learn something new every day! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 12:35am
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And I really wonder why they went to such trouble back in 1980 - such as why not just lip sync to what the record already had?
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 1:31am
Can that video mix be found on cd easily? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 7:05am
Could this be a case where the wrong audio tape was supplied for the video editors? Or was the song not fully completed when the video was shot? |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 7:06am
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RICK SPRINGFIELD - "Speak to the Sky" (1972)
RS originally recorded an electric version of the song in 1971 in his native Australia; that was the version that became the hit there. On the success of that song Down Under, Capitol signed him to a U.S. deal shortly thereafter, and the label had him re-record the song acoustically, which was the version that became a hit in this country in the summer/fall of '72 (and was featured on his debut solo album, "Beginnings")... |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 7:09am
Hmmm, interesting. While I've since become quite familiar w/ that 1980 video over the last 10 years thanks to VH-1 Classic, I honestly hadn't noticed that the vocals were re-recorded... And speaking of which, is it me, or is it also the same situation w/ the video for Neil Diamond's 1982 hit, "Heartlight"??? Our cable company in San Diego didn't start carrying MTV until 1984, so like w/ the video for "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me", I never even knew there was also one for "Heartlight" until I first saw it on VH-1 Classic starting about 10 years ago. They still air it fairly regularly to this day; for those not familiar w/ it, Neil walks into an empty theater-type setting, steps up behind a podium (complete w/ a scarf around his neck), and proceeds to sing the song all the way through. I must confess, I've never been a huge ND fan, as he's one of those artists who's always been hit-or-miss w/ me (enjoy some of his songs, like "Heartlight", while other hits of his make me cringe), but can anyone confirm if that video version is also a different vocal recording from the 45/LP, or is it just my mind/memory playing tricks on me??? |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 10:16am
I really don't think so. And to answer the question about whether the track was maybe not completed at the time of the vid shoot, remember that this was the runner up single to "You May Be Right". I think that the LP would already have been completed at that point then, no? ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 11:39am
| Re: Billy Joel, I had the same thought -- the album would have probably been completed by the time the video for the 2nd single was shot. I don't think this mix is on CD, but it's most likely on DVD -- There were DVD releases of almost all Billy Joel videos - so you can probably find it there, and it won't even be in low "mp3" quality - it should be the same quality as if it were released on CD (of course, that depends on how clean/good a source was used to make the actual video) but this would be your best bet. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 11:42am
| Re: Neil Diamond "Heartlight", yes that's an alternate lead vocal in the video. I noticed it the first time I saw that video, about 20 years ago. Incidentally, I never saw it in the early days of VH1, but I first moved to a location that had VH1 about 6 or 9 months after it debuted, and it's quite possible they played it early on and then completely stopped playing it by the time I could subscribe. I think I first saw the video during one of VH1's "History of Music Videos" marathon, where they took about 2 weeks to go through a majority of videos they had. Years later, MTV2 did an even better job with this same concept. They took over a month and played over 99% of the videos in the MTV/VH1 archives! It was great. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 12:15pm
Whew! It sure did. It sounds to me like they re-recorded it live for the video and overdubbed his harmony vocals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP49NFreLu8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP49NFreLu8 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 12:18pm
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So is "Sometimes a Fantasy":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X163bAYcD1M - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X163bAYcD1M |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 1:18pm
I totally forgot about that song. Man I need to pull out Glass Houses right now. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 4:33pm
Thanks for confirming my suspicion, EdisonLite! I'm admittedly not as good as most folks here when it comes to noticing such subtler differences, so whenever I'm able to catch something like that on my own, I impress myself, lol. I noticed it from the first time I saw/heard the video, too...
I don't doubt that the "Heartlight" video got lots of plays when VH-1 debuted in '85; I wanna say our cable company picked them up in '86 or '87, but I still primarily tuned in to MTV at that time. And considering that ND was primarily aimed at an older audience by the early '80s, it wouldn't surprise me if MTV passed on "Heartlight" altogether in '82...
Yeah, I sure wish MTV or VH-1 would do another one of those vintage "video marathons"! The last one that got my attention was in '06, when VH-1 Classic re-aired the entire first day of MTV from August 1, 1981 (which I went so far as to tape), to celebrate their 25th anniversary. Alas, even VH-1 Classic has gone downhill over the last five years, IMO. From the lack of VJ's to no more daily "request hour", not to mention it seems I rarely see anything "new" anymore! That's why I was pleasantly surprised one morning just a few weeks ago when I caught them airing the video for Sheena Easton's 1982 hit, "When He Shines" - my first time ever seeing that one - but that was the first time I'd been able to say that in probably 2-3 years! I still have all of my old issues of "Billboard" magazine from the mid to late '80s, which printed MTV's complete weekly playlists at the time; there's still plenty of 'em I've never seen (or haven't seen in 20+ years), but would love to... :-( |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 February 2009 at 5:13pm
Actually, so is "You May Be Right." I get the impression he hated lipsynching and wanted to record his vocals live for the videos, they they may have used the pre-recorded instrumental tracks. |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 21 February 2009 at 9:33pm
Although we didn't get MTV until '83, we did get VH-1 right way in '85 and I have never seen "Heartlight" on either channel. Although VH-1 did play the heck out of Neil Diamond's 1985 video "Headed For The Future" which was Neil's attempt at being somewhat hip for the '80s audience. |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 03 July 2013 at 10:23am
| Bumping this up for budaniel, since I remembered that this was also where EdisonLite confirmed for me that the original video for Neil Diamond's 1982 hit, "Heartlight", also contained a newly-recorded vocal (in addition to a previous discussion about BJ's Glass Houses songs). BTW, here's a link to the specific ND video I was referring to back in '09, if you've never seen it (still occasionally gets play on VH-1 Classic): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMJXDlfrvHs - Neil Diamond - "Heartlight" video |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 03 July 2013 at 6:00pm
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I do not recall ever seeing that Neil Diamond video prior.
Thanks for the link. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 08 July 2013 at 7:13am
| Yeah. I went and watched all the videos from Glass Houses. It does sound like he sang the new vocals over the already finished instrumentals. I could be imagining it, but it does sound to me like the tempo is slowed down on every song. They all sound horrible to me. He should've just lip-synched.... |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 October 2017 at 10:45am
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Also the video for Utopia's "Set Me Free" has a re-recorded vocal track.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 02 October 2017 at 12:45pm
This thread seems to have three types of re-recorded hits. Some were already on albums and then later re- recorded for singles, such as "Help Me Rhonda." Others were singles first then re-recorded for a later album, like "Sweet Mary." And the third type, songs re-recorded for videos. I don't think "Sounds Of Silence" counts because that wasn't exactly re-recorded, they took the acoustic LP version and added electric instruments to it. Re" "Dead Man's Curve"..where is there a different recording of this? I've heard the mono 45, the stereo LP version and later remixes but to me they all sound like the same recording. You can add "I'll Be" by Edwin McCain. The original album version was slower with less production. The re-recorded version became the hit and they then replaced it on the album. BTW, side story about that - my sister bought the McCain album as soon as she heard the song. But she got the first pressing and was very disappointed it wasn't the hit version. She posted a complaint about that on his fan club site. As a result they mailed her a remastered version of the CD at no charge. They did this for everyone who wrote in. THAT was very nice. I recall no such offer for all the many other CDs I bought with versions NOT matching what I heard on the radio, which in the 90s was epidemic! MM |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 8:38am
Mark, this was touched on some time ago in the "(Here They Come) From All Over The World" thread, but here's a recap: "Dead Man's Curve" originally appeared on Jan & Dean's Drag City LP, just a couple weeks into 1964. Over the next two months, the song was overhauled and issued as a single. That hit single version appeared on the duo's Dead Man's Curve/The New Girl In School LP two months later in May. Liberty inadvertently used the original Drag City recording, rather than the hit, when they issued Jan & Dean's Golden Hits Volume 2 LP in 1965 (at least on the stereo edition.) It sounds to me like some, but not all backing track elements from the original Drag City LP version were retained for the subsequent hit version, but there are other elements not present on it that were overdubbed onto the hit, including some horns and the harp glissando leading up to the break. The drumming also differs; compare the two versions beginning at the 52-second mark: there are some added fills on the hit version, but a few drumbeats on the original recording are missing on the hit track. The vocals were re-recorded for the hit version. Lyrically, the giveaway between the two comes at the beginning of the second verse: Original: "The Strip was deserted late Friday night..." Hit: "The street was deserted late Friday night..." The second half of the break was also tightened up, following the line "...slide into the curve" and again after "forget that horrible sight." And coming out of the break: Original: "Y'won't come back from DMC." Hit: "Won't come back from DMC." |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 11:16am
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Some songs are completely re-recorded because of a label change, band member change or they simply aren't happy with the first version.
Here I Go Again - Whitesnake (5 years apart) Send Me an Angel - Real Life (6 years apart) I Melt with You - Modern English (7 years apart) Def Leppard, Journey and Kiss are just a few groups that are re-recording their hits because of band changes or music rights issues. It's one of the reasons this site is so important for pop music research. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 1:49pm
I have the mono version of that LP, and it's the Drag City version there too. Speaking of alternate versions of Jan & Dean songs, when "Sidewalk Surfin'" was reissued in 1976 there was at least one lyric change. In the original the lyrics go "you'll probably wipe out when you first try to shot the (curl? curve? not up on my surfer terminology)", in the reissue it was changed to "you'll probably eat it...". There may have been some mix differences as well. Was this re-worked for 1976 or was this an alternate take from the original session? Then there's "Gonna Hustle You" which is "New Girl In School" with different lyrics. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 2:53pm
It's "shoot the curl." "Shoot the curve" probably would have more relevance to "Dead Man's Curve." ;) The 1976 "Sidewalk Surfin'" remix was done for United Artists' double-LP Golden Summer various artists compilation album, and was concurrently issued as a 45. The vocal track was brand new. It also doesn't have the initial "bust your buns" during the opening verse like the 1964 hit did. Which, of course, was half of the fun, if not more, in '64. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 04 October 2017 at 1:44pm
Just FYI ... Send Me An Angel was not re-recorded for the '89 version. It is remix. I had to research that song thoroughly so I sync'd the 2 versions...the vocal tracks are identical. Some of the synth tracks were added, re-recorded, or altered by reverb. MM |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 6:42pm
Also though, Whitesnake did not use the re-recorded version of "Here I Go Again" as a 1987 single. It was a third more uptempo recording for the 45-rpm disc. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 13 December 2017 at 12:22pm
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"Love Is The Seventh Wave" by Sting and "Every Little
Thing She Does Is Magic" by The Police sound like their 45 vocals were rerecorded. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 December 2017 at 7:49pm
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Not sure about the Sting song, but for "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" they simply turned up his vocal louder for the 45.
That was a greatly needed fix and it's sad that it is lost to time. In the LP version his vocals are almost buried. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 13 December 2017 at 9:28pm
Wow....I always thought it was a different vocal because the raised vocal made it sound so much different to me. The 45 is far superior in my opinion. Thanks Mark |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 December 2017 at 10:52pm
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I agree with Mark that it's the same vocal on "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic." Sting's "Love Is The Seventh Wave" definitely has re-recorded vocals in places, but I'm not sure if the entire song is re-recorded. The most notable part is the verse in the middle where the music and vocals change key, which does not occur in the LP version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:29pm
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Well here's one to add. The video version of "Rhythm of the Night" by DeBarge.
This one was new to me, as I've never seen the video. The vocal and keyboard takes are different on this track. Additionally, the crowd sound effects have been removed. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |