paul mccartney "coming up"
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Topic: paul mccartney "coming up"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: paul mccartney "coming up"
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:29pm
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need a liitle help here........paul mccartney's hit "coming up" was issued as the studio version on the a side of the 45 columbia 11263 but all the books state the live version as the hit version........why would the b-side of the song be the hit side???.. ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 October 2005 at 2:42am
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Because that was the version favored by radio DJs, and MAY have been the video version, though I'm not sure. Sad that it's never been issued with the unedited applause and audiece chanting at the end... though with a real clean copy of a 45, it's be easy enough to dub it in, I suppose.
Whitburn said "airplay and sales quickly favored the live version," though I don't know how anywone could know which verson anyone was buying it for. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 October 2005 at 7:50am
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The video version was the studio one--the one where Paul and Linda play about 15 different people (including Paul donning his 1964 Beatle outfit, and also playing at least one character playing the guitar RIGHT-handed). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 23 October 2005 at 12:49pm
| Here in New York, the version I always heard the most on the top 40 radio stations was the studio version. The live version was usually only heard on rock stations. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 24 October 2005 at 5:27am
Actually, this practice was fairly common in the radio industry. Sometimes DJ's would prefer the B-side to the record company's chosen A-side or they would like the B-side equally as much (thus the "double-sided" hit). In the case of "Coming Up"...I remember reading in most of the trades at the time, that by the time the song hit the Top 10 at the end of May 1980, almost every radio station had switched to the B-side and record store owners were reporting that customers were specifically asking to buy the more uptempo live version. Thus, the live version is what you now see on most McCartney compilations. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 25 October 2005 at 6:55pm
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Hmmm, I'm from NY too, and all I ever heard when it was a hit was the live version. (on Long Island, that is...)
I recall do thinking it was odd at the time, that it was stuck on the B-side, as a second track no less! (you didn't see that too often by then). And yet, when it was on the chart, the Hot 100 entry read "Coming Up (Live At Glasgow)", and that's how it appears in the Whitburn. -MM |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 October 2005 at 7:12pm
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on my 45 the "live" version is the first track on the b-side and not the second track.......you might want to check you 45.......we want to be as thorough as possible on this site........ ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 27 October 2005 at 5:39pm
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Oh, oops. I no longer have my copy of the 45, but now that you mention it, it was the first track. Didn't want to start a wrong-confusion over differing pressings.
-MM |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 25 July 2008 at 4:05pm
| This in from abagon... The actual commercial 45 run time of Paul McCartney & Wing's "Coming Up (Live at Glasgow)" is 3:48, not 3:51 as stated on the record label. |
Posted By: anthology123
Date Posted: 25 July 2008 at 5:17pm
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I remember living in LA and hearing the LIVE version on top40 radio about
2-3 weeks before it hit the national charts. My local record shop had it, and when I played the A side, it didn't sound right. Then the B-side had want I heard. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:01am
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FYI, sadly, the 45 version of "Coming Up (Live at Glasgow)" is NOT on the new ramster of "McCartney II." It is "neither the 45 nor LP version." There actually seems to be a longer instrumental break in this that was edited out of the original single that's been restored for this new release... it runs 4:04. But the audience chanting at the end of the song that is on the 45 has not been included.
BTW, I didn't buy it -- Napster will let you listen to whole songs if you're a registered member. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 12:12pm
Except that by 1980 few DJs had any say in which version of a song got played...it was the program or music director's call. Besides, outside of the really small markets, most stations had their music on cart by then. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 7:22pm
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Live version B side in my market and surrounding markets was the accepted version. And in the end the hit version. The uptempo fun side was also a DJ favorite and listener favorite. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 7:14pm
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my commercial 45 of the live version runs 3:29 and is identical to the version on the below cd......
(S) (3:28) Capitol 48287 Paul McCartney: All The Best the db states the live version runs 3:48.....is that right or is the studio version the 3:48 running time one? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 7:56pm
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That's certainly interesting news, Ed. All 45 copies I've heard run 3:48 with additional stage banter and crowd applause that is faded out on the CD version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 8:30pm
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On my 45 the live audience starts chanting Paul's name at the very end once the song is over (which is missing on every CD version I've heard). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 10:10pm
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my notes were wrong....i just re-checked the vinyl 45....my vinyl 45 has the additional crowd noise....my apolgese..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 02 July 2011 at 3:45pm
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I only knew about the studio version. That's what radio
played out here in the southwest. I didn't even know the live version was the hit until the 90s! It's kind of like Deep Purple's "Smoke On The Water". I never heard radio play the studio version, only the live hit version in the fall of 1973. ------------- |
Posted By: tpsea
Date Posted: 07 August 2013 at 9:25pm
| I just ran across this while reading some of these interesting older posts. I was at a major market station at that time and had a good relationship with the Columbia rep. I had gotten and early leak of McCartney II and told him I did not hear a hit single. A few weeks later he brought in a 12 inch test pressing of "Coming Up." On the flip side was the version of it from the Glascow concert(I still have it). I told him that I felt that the live arrangement was more suited to be a single. So did a number of other PDs/MDs. I was told shortly thereafter that Columbia was holding up the album to include the live 45 as a bonus, and that was the version that would be promoted as a single. One day, months later, he brought me in a personalized, signed, thank you from Paul McCartney (framed on my office wall)and an interview pressed on an album as a gift. He said McCartney did this for six people. I thought it was cool that he was still appreciative of us little people. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 6:47am
The only place I heard the studio version back in 1980 was on AT40, radio played the live version.
Same here, though the studio version was noted as the plug side on promo copies. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 8:02pm
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jim, i know all of us on the board appreciate your
incredible knowledge and experience in the radio biz....it amazes me you remember all these great little antidotes from so many years ago.....i, for one appreciate every story you tell, with such great detail.....keep them coming, my friend!! ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 8:59am
Can anyone clarify that the 3:28 that Ed references (also on the 2CD greatest purple Wings set and on All the Best) is an official radio edit of the 3:48? I doubt radio stations today would play the extra 20 seconds of McCartney banter. Or is this just a case of issuing an edit on CD that was never issued on vinyl? I checked discogs and cannot find a promo 45 issued at 3:28. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 9:59am
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My commercial 45 has the studio version on one side, and two songs on the B-side: the live version of "Coming Up", which includes some audience banter at the end after the song ends, and then a studio instrumental called "Lunch Box Odd Sox".
I can understand why a McCartney collection would fade after the proper song ends, and truncate the audience banter. As far as I know, that wasn't an official release in 1980. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 10:42am
| That's what I thought. Duly noted. |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 1:41pm
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I lived in Houston 1980 and KILT, KRBE, KAUM and the
rest of the Top 40 in the market all played the live version. So did KAAY in Little Rock and WNOE in New Orleans. The live version was a better version of the song. The studio take was very new wave sounding and my friends in radio at the time, no one cared for the studio take. In fact my friend Leslie who was Music Director at KAUM at the time, told me she was not going to add the studio version to the play list and neither was anyone else. In fact the Columbia record rep started pushing the live version soon after the release. He knew if no Houston station would add the single, would've hurt sales. So the live version was issued on a 12 inch single quickly and the rest is a number 1 hit for Paul again! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 7:28pm
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Every Top 40 station,in the Southeastern USA, played the
Live version. It was the A side of the commercial single. It was the hit single. I played the B side the day the station I worked for got it, it got calls wanting to hear it again. I called the PD, he added it on airplay and on response by listeners when it was still the B side, and for a brief while, we played both sides. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 5:54am
Great info! But I think the A-side was the studio version on the commercial single and the B-side was the live version: http://www.45cat.com/record/111263 - http://www.45cat.com/record/111263 |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 12:03pm
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On all three national charts the studio version was
the listed version at first but then later on the live version was the listed song. Billboard - studio 4/26/80-7/12/80 (12 weeks) then live 7/19/80-9/13/80 (9 weeks). Note that the song was #1 on 7/12/80 but then switched over to the live version on its descent. Cashbox - studio 4/26/80-5/31/80 (6 weeks) then live 6/7/80-9/6/80 (14 weeks). Peak weeks were all the live version. Record World - studio 4/26/80-7/5/80 (11 weeks) then live 7/12/80-9/6/80 (9 weeks). Peak weeks were primarily the studio version. The studio version was the a-side (taken from McCartney II) while the live version plus "Lunch Box/Odd Box" was the b-side. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 25 September 2018 at 5:51am
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In this case, I wouldn't go by what the charts showed. I
think both Billboard and Record World were too slow in showing the Live version designation. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 December 2022 at 4:43pm
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There's a new digital singles collection for Paul McCartney with 159 tracks. I just checked out “Coming Up (Live At Glasgow).” It’s not the 45 version, although it does have the extended ending that was previously missing from other CD versions. Still, the entire track is a new mix and does not match the 45 mix. Instruments are at different levels and different places in the stereo field. Percussion is mixed differently. I wonder if the original 2-track mixdown tape couldn’t be located, so they had to go back to the multi-tracks. Or is this perhaps the mix used for the 7" in a different country? I wouldn't have thought there would be different mixes, but I've only ever heard the US 45.
For those who are about to ask the question, the answer is no. The extended ending cannot be tacked onto the early faded version found on All The Best and other CDs. Sonically, they are different, but also the extended ending is mixed differently than what's on the US 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: vinyljay69
Date Posted: 01 December 2022 at 7:48pm
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I believe this new version is re-created from the long
version available on the "McCartney II" deluxe edition. That version contains an extra verse that was cut from the single, and does not contain the ending as on the 45. I presume it was mixed from scratch for that set. The single ending has been badly tacked onto the new version, with a horrendous edit at 3:16, and another obvious one at 3:18. Hope this is not an indicator that the entire set has been remixed and/or unsuccessfully re-created. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 December 2022 at 8:23pm
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Yikes! I hadn't listened to the edit at 3:16 when I was A/B'ing them earlier. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 01 December 2022 at 10:21pm
The edit sounds horrible Aaron. Horrible. ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 02 December 2022 at 9:03am
| Just another note about the remix of the live version - ending differences aside it sounds to me like overdubs are missing, as there are some things like tambourine I don't hear at all in the remix, and I think the horn parts might've been redone in the studio. For instance, there's a sax overdub right after the first chorus (when he sings "you got it") that's not on the remix at all—I don't think it's a levels issue, it's just not there. The remix really lacks the polish and punch of the 45 to my ears. |
Posted By: vinyljay69
Date Posted: 02 December 2022 at 2:24pm
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Correct, the remix of the long version lacks some of the
overdubs used on the 45. It's obviously the same take, just a presentation of the full version as it was originally performed in concert, sans polish. It also doesn't contain the live, ad-lib tag as that was taken from a different performance or another point in the show. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 02 December 2022 at 2:34pm
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They always played the tag on the radio here - it sounds incomplete to me without it!
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 December 2022 at 10:25pm
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After drastically re-EQ'ing the ending of my vinyl 45, I think it's a match with the ending of the new box set Frankenstein version. I originally thought the applause at the end was also a different mix, but now I think they are the same just with very different EQ. I was able to merge the single mix (faded early) and the new version's ending. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 05 December 2022 at 4:28am
Yeah, I actually wasn't sure I agreed with you when you said said the tacked-on ending was remixed. But I thought you must just be hearing something I'm not. |
Posted By: hellogator
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 12:38am
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The interesting trivia on this song is that it's Paul
McCartney's only #1 solo hit, however, Paul McCartney has zero #1 solo hits. How is this possible?? If you look at the Hot 100 charts, you will see that the Wings (Live) B-Side didn't chart until the song dropped from #1 to #2 on July 19, 1980. On the other hand, books by Joel Whitburn and Fred Bronson give credit for hitting #1 to the live Wings version. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 3:24am
As I posted above, Billboard was too slow on showing the (Live At Glasgow) designation on the Hot 100. The live version had overtaken the studio version weeks earlier. |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 15 December 2023 at 7:11pm
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The complete version from the Glasgow concert has been posted to YT(along
with other songs from the concert). You can compare and contrast. It appears that they muted the synthesizers on the full length 2011 version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdCsgYSWICw - Paul McCartney- Coming Up(Live In Glasgow) |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 19 December 2023 at 6:34am
Was that full-length version with the intro ever officially released? Andy |