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Topic: Rhino Digital 45 series
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Subject: Rhino Digital 45 series
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 6:24am
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You can find these by searching I Tunes for "Digital 45". I would assume there's a lot more to come. Some of them are the original, mono 45 versions. Others, are stereo edits. Examples:
Doors Light My Fire/Crystal Ship ORIGINAL MONO Deep Purple Smoke on the Water/Smoke on the Water Live ORIGINAL MONO Eagles Take It Easy/Get You in the Mood ORIGINAL MONO However, the digital singles of Roundabout/Long Distance Runaround, In A Gadda Da Vida / Iron Butterfly Theme, Daydream Believer/Goin Down are stereo. On a side note, somebody needs to help them find better photographs of the singles. "Roundabout" has writing on the label! |
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Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 7:58am
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What a surprise to finally grab the true mono single version of "Light My Fire".
I thought that the remaining members of the Doors would never let them be released. Never knew what the big deal was anyway. Radio has played an edit through the years, but its never been the correct version. Funny to hear "Take It Easy" with its minor edit of the "ooohs". Plus my single was pressed off center so it sounds even better. One can only hope its the start of some more Doors/Eagles true single versions in the future! ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 10:28am
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What a terrific find, Bill! And such a shame MusicGiants is in bankruptcy, because these would surely be available lossless from them. Hopefully, if they emerge from bankruptcy later this year as they hope, we can get these in lossless format.
FYI, these should all be available as full 320kb MP3s from Zune. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 10:37am
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Quite a nice selection, too.
Talking Heads - Take Me To The River Blues Brothers - Soul Man C,S & N - Southern Cross Eagles - Hotel California |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 10:47am
| What's super-cool is they actually have the original picture sleeve artwork, if the single had a picture sleeve in the U.S. If not, they use the 45 label. I have long been wishing the record companies would do something like this. Digital 45s, original A and B sides. Yeah! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 11:17am
| Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water" is mono too! Yeehaw! |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:31pm
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If you are a Prince fan, the long lost b-side to "Kiss" is now one of the digital 45s ("Love or $") on iTunes. I think this is the first time that track appears anywhere since its '86 vinyl release. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 2:41pm
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Great news for us singles lovers!
Both "Roundabout" and "Take It Easy" were stereo/mono on the original promo 45s. Bill, maybe Rhino was going for an "authentic" look, hence the writing on the labels. :) Dear Rhino: how 'bout the Rhino Digital DJ 45s, too? You can even include some permanent marker "X" label markings and date stamps if that'll make them seem more genuine. ;) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 2:45pm
| Fingers crossed that the mono 45 version of "25 or 6 to 4" will be released! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 4:56pm
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regarding artwork, I have been amassing a collection of picture sleeve and 45 label cover art for over two years...i've got 1,000s now from the '50s to the '00s. It's amazing what can be found on the Internet. Seeing the artwork on iTunes or on my iPod as the songs play makes it one step closer to "how it was" in this digital era!
good to read about these digital 45s...i hope the Canadian store has them! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 6:08pm
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Amazon has them as well...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000346811 - Digital 45's from Rhino |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 6:33pm
So do Zune and Napster, but iTunes, as is often the case, seems to have a few that are not yet on the other sites. |
eriejwg wrote:Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 5:37am
Wasn't the original single in stereo? Most WB 45s were in 1973. |
Posted By: maciav
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 6:51am
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Are these rarities from vinyl dubs or from tape sources? It seems ironic that "Light My Fire" is next to impossible to find on CD in its original single format from the original tape sources, and now it is available as an mp3. ------------- Mike C. from PA |
Posted By: jcr102
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:48am
| About Light My Fire, it sounds to me like a dub from the original mono 45. I have a beat up copy of the 45 and that's pretty much the way it sounds. It's not the greatest pressing, but it certainly has that punch you want and is the original. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:58am
The mono 45 version of LMF is one of those tracks with so much built-in distortion that it would be hard to distinguish between a tape source and a high quality needledrop. The iTunes version sounds very much like the only previous CD release (an import CD single released in conjunction with the Oliver Stone movie), which also sounded very much like my 45 needledrop. It's just one of those 60s mixes with a lot of murk and distortion, built to sound great on AM radios. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 10:11am
Both the studio and live sides of the 1973 single were mono, on the DJ and commercial 45s. I have a DJ and stock copy on vinyl, and ten styrene stock copies (from Terre Haute) and all of 'em are mono. Just checked the "Smoke On The Water" Digital 45 on Amazon, where it's number 24,995 on their "chart." That would make for one L-O-N-G countdown show. No wonder Casey retired. :) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:26pm
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ALERT! Sony is getting in on the act! Just uploaded to iTunes minutes ago:
Billie Jean / Can't Get Outta the Rain Sexual Healing / Instrumental Girls Just Want to Have Fun / Right Track, Wrong Train More Than a Feeling / Smokin' What I Like About You (Single Version) / First in Line White Rabbit (stereo) / White Rabbit (mono) (not keeping with format, Sony!) Among others. But Sony is definitely not sticking to the original A/B-side concept. Hmm, with Sony doing it now, you supposed there's an inkling of chance the single version of "The Way We Were" will finally be available? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 5:16am
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Wait a minute--"More Than A Feeling" and "Sexual Healing" are the LP versions. This isn't as promising as we thought.
Not that "More Than A Feeling" is all that hard to find in its 45 version. But "Sexual Healing" is. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 8:54am
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From billboard.biz
----------------------------------------------------- Rhino Launches New Digital Sales Format July 14, 2009 By Antony Bruno, Denver Warner Music Group's Rhino Entertainment division is introducing a new digital sales format called the Digital 45, in celebration of the 60-year anniversary of the 45-single. Starting today (July 14) the company will release a series of digital "singles"-comprising of the original single, the B-side song, and original sleeve and other artwork-through iTunes and other digital retailers. iTunes for instance will feature a total of 60, compiled in a special Digital 45 section on its main storefront, such as "Take I Easy"/"Get You In The Mood" by The Eagles and "Kiss"/"Love or Money" by Prince, for either $1.49 or $1.99. Rhino will continue to release another 25 such bundles every month to participating digital retailers. Those sold on iTunes will contain a bonus PDF file containing the original sleeve or label art when available. Many of the songs included in the bundle are making their debut in the digital format, including Jackson Browne's "The Crowe On The Cradle," and James Taylor's "I Can Dream Of You." The new effort comes several years after Rhino first began experimenting with alternative digital bundles though the Hi5 program. That initiative, which continues today, compiles a number of deeper-cut tracks with a hit single from a given artists in the Rhino catalog for a total of 5 tracks sold at a cheaper price than if all were purchased individually. Rhino senior VP e-commerce and international catalog strategy David Dorn recently explained the company's digital bundling strategies to Billboard. Other than celebrating the anniversary of the single, is there a broader goal behind the digital 45 promotion? The timing was perfect to also introduce a product that is between the single track and an EP. We're always trying to find ways in the digital world to make sure we're satisfying every customer we can. Because you don't have stock issues and you don't have shelf space issues, we can easily do that. The format of the single itself has just come back not that long ago, so we just felt there was a good synchronous thing going on-reintroduce something that folks that were there originally will understand and younger people today will understand. And lets bring back the cool factor of the picture sleeve, which was in almost every case was different from the album cover. Why not release them all at once? We want to market these. If you put a whole lot of them in the store in one shot, then they all sit there. They'll have their promotion period, and some of them will get featured, but then they just sit in the store. To me it's more interesting to market them each month and create a program around them and have something new to talk about every month. The other thing is that there's a lot of research that goes into them. It's not as simple as an album we have in the store already. In many cases we have to find the artwork; we have to get the A- and B-side from the label. And sometimes with the non-album B-sides we have to get the audio source. I think a lot of people misunderstand the digital business. It's a lot more complicated than just sending them the digital file. More so than other labels, Rhino must be particularly interested in producing digital bundles like this. Where are we do you think in the evolution of that as a merchandizing strategy? You have a single track people are interested in and a greatest hits people are interested in. But there are going to be customers maybe interested in something in the middle. We look at this as the evolution of satisfying all the different consumers in the world. It's my goal to eventually address all of those different holes that exist out there where you could put a product. You have a single track. Now you have a 45 equivalent. You've got a single album, double album, boxset. We want to find ways to address all those different consumers. A few years ago you tried a different bundle strategy called the Hi5. How did that effort go and what did you learn? With the Hi5, it was early days. When we went out with that, the business itself was so nascent that you really couldn't look at whether that was successful or not. Now that it's evolved, we see our Hi5s come up in promotional picks from the retailers, they actually feature them. We've seen our sales increase on them, and we think the digital 45s are entering at a time where the business is far more mature. But the digital business overall is only five years old. When you think about any format, it generally takes longer than five years before you have true ubiquitous penetration across all consumers. So this is more experimentation on our part to see how the business is growing. What did you learn from the Hi5 effort? There are some artists that just sell a little bit better, and it's not the usual suspects. You'd think it would be the bigger artists. But what we found were that the Hi5s work well for artists that don't have 15 tracks for a greatest hits collection, but they have four or five. Other artists that have a really deep catalog of amazing material, like an Aretha Franklin, I think most people are willing to go to the 15-track investment because they know there are so many great songs it's worth the bigger investment. The digital world is about flexibility, so I love that with an artist like Aretha, we can put a single track out there, a digital 45, a Hi5, a single album, greatest hits, and a box set and there's a customer for all of those. You can't do that anymore in the physical world. It seems ironic though that even though this is the case, so few labels put out digital material in formats other than the single and the album. Why is that? I think technology plays a role. There are not that many digital retailers out there that are capable of doing tricky bells-and-whistles type stuff. That's more a matter of time than desire. I believe all the digital retailers would like to create the most compelling experience possible. Apple has a certain advantage in this case. I can only speak for Rhino and that this is something we spend a lot of time thinking about. How do we make the digital world as compelling or more compelling than what we've done in the physical world previously? I would only say wait and see some of the stuff coming down the line in the not too distant future. It's an evolution. But as you mention, you're limited to offering what the retailers are capable of selling. What types of features would you like to see digital retailers adopt to make bundling non-traditional formats possible? It would be great of all of our retail partners at some point would be able to include all of the elements we're currently delivering. If we could have parity on audio tracks, video, booklets or some sort of additional experience. That would be the start. So as you go about all this, what's the driving goal? Is it plain marketing, or is it a music discovery effort, a merchandizing play? The way Rhino looks at it is that while we're music historians in some respects we're also music fans and music consumers ourselves. When we think about the digital world and the endless shelf-space concept, it comes back to believing that whatever product we put out we truly believe there's an audience for it. We're not just trying to empty out our vaults or library of available assets and just throw them into a store. We actually look at this as a line of products no differently than we look at greatest hits as a line of products. In the digital world you can do a lot of things that you can't do physically. So we don't look at this as a quick in and out. That's the reason why we're not just dumping 500 of them into the marketplace in one shot. This is a line, and if this takes off the way we hope it will, we plan on putting a new set of 25-30 of these every month, and letting people know about it. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 11:09am
Yeah, like I said, Sony is definitely NOT putting as much care into these as Rhino is. But it is the digital debut of the Instrumental B-side to "Sexual Healing." (Except for the quickly pulled Ringle, which I was lucky enough to snag a copy of.) |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 11:12am
| Not to ask a stupid question, but what is a "ringle"? I remember hearing the term a couple years ago, but never really knew what it was. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 11:23am
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Please try running a search for "ringle." A whole post on this topic. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:14pm
Someone thought it would be a good idea to market CD singles that included ringtones. Apparently, it didn't catch on, as very few people buy CD singles today. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 9:54pm
Actually, what happened is testing showed there were technical glitches with the ringtones with cell phone carriers... some people couldn't download them, or they wouldn't work on their phones, etc. So, basically, the first batch of Ringles were shipped to retailers, but the the order came at the last minute to hold on to them and not put them up for sale. After a week or two, the order came to ship them back to the record company. And no one ever heard anything about the Ringle program again. |
Posted By: Scott
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 8:49am
| I downloaded "Light My Fire" from Amazon last night and just gave it a close listen with headphones. It sure appears to be the real deal. Surprisingly though, it runs even faster than my 45 needledrop! I believe it's from a tape source and not a needledrop, because I can't hear any telltale vinyl artifacts...but I do hear tape dropouts that are not on the original 45. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 8:51am
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Here's the press release:
RHINO LAUNCHES THE DIGITAL 45 As The Single Hits 60, Rhino Will Release A Group Of Digital Singles Every Month, Featuring Songs Originally Issued On 45 With Their Original B-Sides And Artwork Rhino's Digital 45s Are Included In iTunes D45, A Showcase Of These New Digital Bundles On iTunes First Batch Of 60 Rhino Digital 45s Available July 14 LOS ANGELES — After its 1949 debut, the 45-rpm vinyl single went on to revolutionize the way people listened to music, both literally—requiring adjustable-speed players—and figuratively—introducing a global audience to the simple, yet profound joy that comes from playing a favorite song over and over. As the single turns 60 this year, history repeats itself. Digital bytes have replaced vinyl grooves, but the love affair with the hit song continues. As last year music fans downloaded more than a billion tracks; the most ever. To celebrate the milestone, Rhino will spotlight songs originally issued on 45 by offering them as RHINO DIGITAL 45s, bundled with their original B-sides and artwork. Original picture sleeve art will be included when available and original label art will be used for all others. The first group of RHINO DIGITAL 45s will be available July 14. iTunes will feature a total of 60 digital 45s, including six exclusives. These will be featured in iTunes Digital 45, which showcases these new digital bundles inside the iTunes store. Among the iTunes exclusives are several singles featuring B-sides making their digital debut including “Take It Easy”/“Get You In The Mood” by the Eagles, “Kiss”/“Love Or Money” by Prince & The Revolution, and “Whip It”/“Turn Around” by Devo. The remaining 54 singles will be available at all digital retails outlets. Each following month, Rhino will release a new batch of 25 digital 45s to all partners. For more information, please visit www.rhino.com/Digital45. The first group of RHINO DIGITAL 45s features a total of 31 tracks making their digital debut including Jackson Browne’s “The Crow On The Cradle” (B-side of “Somebody’s Baby”), Morrissey’s “I Know Very Well How I Got My Name” (B-side of “Suedehead”), and James Taylor’s “I Can Dream Of You” (b-side of “Shower The People). Other digital debut highlights include tracks from The Cars, Talking Heads, and Pretenders as well as single edits, radio mixes, and live versions from The B-52s, Deep Purple, The Doors, Faith No More, and Yes. RHINO DIGITAL 45s will be available from all DSPs for list prices of $1.49 and $1.99. Downloads from iTunes will include a bonus PDF containing the original picture sleeve or label art. The RHINO DIGITAL 45 marks the return of the B-side. With the “plug side” of a single the focus of a record label’s attention, its reverse allowed artists a chance to stretch their creative legs. B-sides were an opportunity to show listeners who only knew the hit that a band had more than one trick up its sleeves (Rod Stewart’s “Maggie May” and The Doobie Brothers’ “Black Water,” among others, were originally issued as B-sides). And while most hits also appear on artists’ albums, the “non-LP B-side” was often unavailable to all but the most loyal fans and hardcore collectors, until now. RHINO DIGITAL 45 First 60 Singles a-ha “Take On Me”/“Love Is Reason”* # The B-52’s "Love Shack”(edit)†/“Channel Z”* The Blues Brothers “Soul Man”/“Excusez Moi Mon Cherie”*† Jackson Browne “Somebody’s Baby”/“The Crow On The Cradle”†* The Cars “Let’s Go”/“That’s It”† Chicago “You’re The Inspiration”/“Once In A Lifetime” Alice Cooper “School’s Out”/“Gutter Cat Vs. The Jets”* Collective Soul “Shine”(radio edit)†/“Breathe” Crosby,Stills & Nash “Southern Cross”/“Into The Darkness”* The Cure “Just Like Heaven”/“Breathe”* # Damn Yankees “High Enough”†/“Piledriver” Deep Purple "Smoke On The Water”/“Smoke On The Water”(edit)† Devo “Whip It”/“Turn Around”† # Doobie Brothers “What A Fool Believes”/“Don’t Stop To Watch The Wheels”* The Doors “Light My Fire”†/“Crystal Ship” The Dream Academy “Life In A Northern Town”/“Test Tape No. 3”†* Eagles “Take It Easy”/“Get You In The Mood”† # Eagles “Hotel California”/“Pretty Maids All In A Row” En Vogue “Free Your Mind”†/“Just Can’t Stay Away”† Erasure “A Little Respect”/“Like Zsa Zsa Zsa Gabor”†* Faith No More “Epic”(radio remix Edit)†“Edge Of The World” Foreigner “Urgent”/“Girl On The Moon”* Aretha Franklin “Respect”/“Dr. Feelgood” Genesis “In Too Deep”/“I’d Rather Be You”* Hootie & The Blowfish “Let Her Cry” (radio edit)†/“Hold My Hand” (radio edit) Hootie & The Blowfish "Time”/“Only Wanna Be With You” INXS “What You Need”/“Sweet As Sin”†* Iron Butterfly “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida”/“Iron Butterfly Theme” Howard Jones “Things Can Only Get Better”/“Why Look For The Key”†* KC & The Sunshine Band “That’s The Way (I Like It)”/“What Makes You Happy” Los Lobos “La Bamba”/“Charlena”* Steve Martin and The Toot Uncommons King Tut”/“Sally Goodin”/“Hoedown At Alice’s”* Edwin McCain “I’ll Be”/“Grind Me In The Gears”† Bette Midler “From A Distance”/“One More Round” The Monkees “Daydream Believer”/“Goin’ Down”* Morrissey “Suedehead”/“I Know Very Well How I Got My Name”†* Orleans “Still The One”/“Siam Sam” Wilson Pickett “Mustang Sally”/“Three Time Loser” Pretenders “Louie Louie”/“In The Sticks”†* Prince & The Revolution “Kiss”/“Love Or Money”†* # Ratt “Round And Round”/“The Morning After”* Otis Redding “(Sittin’ On) The Dock Of The Bay”/“Sweet Lorene” # The Replacements “Can’t Hardly Wait”/“Cool Water”* Rufus & Chaka Khan “Ain’t Nobody”/“Sweet Thing”(live) Sam & Dave “Soul Man”/“May I Baby” Duncan Sheik “Barely Breathing”/“Wishful Thinking” Sister Sledge “We Are Family”/“Easier To Love”† Skid Row “Youth Gone Wild”/“Sweet Little Sister”* Rod Stewart "Forever Young”/“Days Of Rage”* # Sugarhill Gang “Apache”/“Rapper’s Delight” T.Rex “Bang A Gong (Get It On)”/“Raw Ramp” Talking Heads “Take Me To The River”(edit)†/ “Thank You For Sending Me An Angel”* Talking Heads “And She Was”/“And She Was”(dub version)† # James Taylor “Shower The People”(edit)†/“I Can Dream Of You”† Travis Tritt “T-R-O-U-B-L-E”/“Leave My Girl Alone” Van Halen “Jump”/“House Of Pain”* X “Wild Thing”†/“Devil Doll”† X “4th Of July”/“Positively 4th Street”†* Yes “Roundabout”(single edit)†/“Long Distance Runaround” Dwight Yoakam “Guitars, Cadillacs”/“I’ll Be Gone” †Available digitally for first time *Includes Original Picture Sleeve Art #iTunes exclusive |
Posted By: maciav
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 2:23pm
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Already hoping for the next step; I guess I'm never satisfied:
Now if we can someday get these lossless. ------------- Mike C. from PA |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 9:32pm
We may if MusicGiants can come out of bankruptcy in the fall, as they hope to. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 20 July 2009 at 9:44pm
Okay, the B-side, "Get You in the Mood," is stereo on the download. Was the vinyl B-side mono or stereo? (It wouldn't be the first time an A-side was mono and the B-side stereo.) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 7:00am
Brian, it was mono. The matrix number is AS-24255, along with the inscription "GET YOU IN THE MOOD - M". The A-side matrix is AS-24228, with "TAKE IT EASY - M - RE"; which is the same as the mono side of the DJ 45. The stereo side of the promo 45 is matrix number ST-AS-24228, plus "TAKE IT EASY - S - RE". |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 7:21am
| I just dug out my 45 of "Take It Easy/Get You In The Mood", but I see YS beat me to it. My U.S. commercial 45 is also mono. The matrix info is the same as YS's except for an extra 5, "AS-24-255-5". It's curious that the download 45 would be stereo, since I can't find any evidence it's been issued in stereo before. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 8:25am
| Thanks, guys. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 10:58am
| Is Rhino also including the http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Eagles-GetYouInTheMood.jpg - B-side label art? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:34am
Yes. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:36am
I still wish these were available lossless, but what this poster on the Steve Hoffman board had to say about about iTunes Plus, which is 256kb AAC format, might make some people feel better:
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:40am
On iTunes, you get the pdf files for both sides only when you purchase both the a & b sides simultaneously (they call it digital booklet). I only needed the b-side "Love or $" by Prince & the Revolution, however when I downloaded just that one track the pdf was for the hit side ("Kiss"). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 1:35pm
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Thanks, guys. Santi, I guess that makes some sense, assuming that the majority of individual title purchases would be the A-sides.
But just the same, you've gotta buy 'em both if you want the B-side art. Sounds like record marketing 101, doesn't it? ;) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 July 2009 at 4:45am
I don't believe "Get You in the Mood" has ever appeared on CD at all, so I was very pleasantly surprised to learn it is now available as a download on I-Tunes. Now if I could purchase it as a lossless wave file, I'd be really happy! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 9:55am
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More are coming out on 8/18 (looking at Amazon.com). Among them are "Crystal Blue Persuasion" (Tommy James & The Shondells) and "Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" (Gordon Lightfoot).
------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 6:50pm
And "Crystal Blue" and its B-side are STEREO! BOOOO, Rhino!!! Though it looks like "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" will be the single edit. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 4:37pm
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Some in the hopper for 9/15 include:
Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills & Nash (if it's mono, I'm in high heaven, but I can't tell from the sample) Lyin' Eyes - The Eagles Sharp Dressed Man - Z Z Top (didn't even know a single version/edit existed) ETA: I tried to link to the sample on Amazon.com but it didn't work. If someone wants to check and let me know, I'd appreciate it. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 11:54pm
"Judy Blue Eyes" and its B-side are definitely mono on the samples, Doug! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 9:14am
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Outstanding, Brian! This ends a majorly long quest. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 4:58pm
Was the stock 45 of this mono? My promo copy is stereo. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 5:46pm
| Hykker, there must've been two different 1969 "Suite..." promo 45s then, because mine only has the song in mono, same as my stock 45 does. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 5:47pm
There was an earlier thread about this cut - if I understand correctly, the stock copy was mono but reissue 45s were in stereo. http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2150&KW=suite - Earlier thread |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 5:50pm
"CSG Processed Mono Master" on both the stock 45 and at least the initial gold/black/white http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/CrosbyStillsNash-Suite-JudyBlueEyes.jpg - Oldies Series reissue 45. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 7:50am
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Also, in the latest batch of single edits added on iTunes is Chic's "Le Freak." ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 8:33am
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Odd that iTunes didn't get clearance to sell "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" (wound up having to go through Amazon to get it).
I didn't include "Le Freak" because the single is a little easier to find on other CDs (as compared to "SJBE," "Lyin' Eyes" and "Sharp Dressed Man," whose 45 versions have never been on CD TTBOMK). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 1:28pm
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[QUOTE=sriv94] Odd that iTunes didn't get clearance to sell "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" (wound up having to go through Amazon to get it).QUOTE]
Was the edit of "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" 4 1/2 minutes long? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 6:18pm
Yes. (4:37), to be more exact. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 9:58pm
Seems like iTunes had been getting some of the later than Amazon. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 2:05am
My reissue is on the silver label. the B side (Marrakesh Express) is mono, Suite is stereo (it is labeled mono on the 45) but i can't confirm that it is the single edit. At this time i'm too swamped to try to find both the reissue and my mono stock 45 to compare them. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 12:55am
| The "Judy Blue Eyes" digital 45 is now available on iTunes. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 7:49am
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Too bad they waited a week--they could've had my business instead of Amazon. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 11:58am
iTunes doesn't decide when things are released on their site -- the record companies do. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 1:14pm
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It's still odd, though, when you consider iTunes had exclusive rights on three of the original 60 singles in July. So you'd figure iTunes would continue to get exclusivity for some titles ahead of Amazon. With "SJBE" it was the opposite, iTunes was the last to get the rights to sell it.
It's also possible that Apple screwed up--i.e. they were supposed to release it a week ago but didn't. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 5:48pm
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Couple of notable titles that I don't think have ever been available in their 45 versions before slated for 10/13 (according to Amazon.com):
Jungle Love - The Time Stay - Jackson Browne (this one's backed with "Rosie"--I had always thought "The Load Out" was the B-side) Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Chicago And anyone for the Masked Marauders? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 6:39pm
| Doug, "Rosie" was the B-side on initial "Stay" commercial 45 pressings, but was then quickly replaced with "The Load-Out", because all AOR stations (and a good number of Top 40 stations) were playing "The Load-Out/Stay" right off of the LP. As for the "Masked Marauders", there hasn't been too many "Bubbling Under" songs offered yet on digitial. But 1969's "Cow Pie" was a Canadian group that was masquerading as Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, John Lennon and Paul McCartney! I have the orignal 45 (on "Deity" records), but I'm sure I'm one of the few. There's probably still a little residual interest today, due to the "superstar novelty" factor, but I'm just guessing here. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 7:02pm
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I figured if anyone had the Masked Marauders 45 it'd be you, Jim. :)
When I saw the listing, I looked at the Wiki entry about the Masked Marauders (not that I completely trust Wikipedia, of course, but it was an interesting read nonetheless). And thanks for the info on "Stay/Rosie." ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 10:03pm
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Van Morrison's "Come Running"/"Crazy Love" is going to be mono.
So is Tommy James's "Crimson and Clover"/"Some Kind of Love." |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 1:05pm
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what is the run time of the radio edit version of "hold my hand" by hootie & the blowfish?? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 1:10pm
| I'm also curious about that, Ed. The only promo I own (and know of) is a 1-track with the album version. There is an import single that lists "Radio Edit," but I don't know the run time or if it really is edited. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 1:42am
| The Doors' People Are Strange / Unhappy Girl single coming October 20th, both sides in MONO! |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 7:01am
Now that will be a treat! The 45 mix of "People Are Strange" is odd (or, well, strange) sounding...something was done to the lead vocal that I can't put my finger on; maybe a slight phase effect or just some compression and eq. In addition to the vocal, the overall compression and eq definitely makes for a lo-fi sound that was clearly aimed at AM radio. In any event, the mono 45 mix is a different animal than the common stereo version, so it will be good to have this available again. Now if they would just release these 45 versions on a proper CD... |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 13 October 2009 at 11:47am
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I'm guessing there's no chance of getting the Doors last 45 (Post-Morrison), Treetrunk, in any form, digital or otherwise.... not legitimately, anyway....i'd love to hear that one from a master tape. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 4:16pm
| The digital 45 on Crimson and Clover as posted on Rhapsody is mono, but appears to be the same version as the 40th anniversary CD, which does not feature the original 45 fade out. The original 45 fades out to a single "ding" with all other instruments gone. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 12:01am
Interesting observation, Bill. I don't own the 45, so I can't compare myself, but it is very common for CD masterings to fade out a couple seconds early to avoid tape hiss at the end. It's definitely not the same master... different EQ and not nearly as loud. I think the sound quality on the download is better... always thought the EQ on the 40th Anniv. was too harsh. What's even stranger is that the Rhino download version runs about five seconds LONGER than the 40th Anniversary CD! (That's in addition to it running a hair slower than the 40th Anniversary.) |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 12:33pm
I went into iTunes to purchase this a couple of days ago. I found the listing, but when I tried to purchase it, I received an error saying that the item was no longer available. I tried a few more times, purchasing each song separately or whole album and got the same result. I just went to iTunes today and the digital 45 for "People Are Strange" is no longer listed. Wonder why it was pulled? Bummer, since I was looking forward to replacing my needledrop version with one from a tape source (albeit lossy). |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 3:56pm
| Roscoe: Rhapsody has it... |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 5:36pm
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As does Amazon.
I got the A-side from iTunes before it was pulled (did not get the B-side though). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 7:18pm
WEIRD. I bought mine from iTunes the first day it was out. Well, there's always Amazon, Rhapsody, and Zune, though they are straight 256kb MP3s. If there's something I know is coming out as a download exclusive, I try right away to buy it, because several times something I wanted was for some reason pulled after a few days. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 7:18pm
I got both sides from iTunes the day it came out. Maybe The Doors had a hissy, because I have heard rumors for a while on the Steve Hoffman board (unsubstatiated) that there's a mono singles collection in the works for CD. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 7:53pm
Could be, but "Light My Fire" remains available. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 October 2009 at 10:09pm
Quick, Roscoe, it's back on iTunes. Better buy it while you can! |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 10:20am
Thanks! Nabbed it this time. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 7:21pm
Besides it being in mono ("People Are Strange") are there any big differences between this digital 45 and the stereo version available for years? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:20am
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The mono single version was compressed more and was designed to sound stronger on AM radio. Some people feel the echo effect on Jim's mike is different on the mono 45, it could be the same reverb only mixed louder. There is also more than one version of the stereo version floating around. On the original vinyl Best of the Doors (although it was a quad album) when Jim returns after the instrumental break and sings "When you're strange" you can hear background vocals with him.
On other vinyl and CD copies I have of the song and on the 45 he is solo. But the CD "The Future Starts Here" and on all of the 40th anniversary mixes, you hear the background vocalists with Jim like on the quad album. We should probably re-activate an old Doors string or start a new one, because there are other differences in Doors CDs, for example on the double CD "Best of the Doors" there is reverb on the beginning of "Love Her Madly" that I don't hear on other issues. The database probably needs to reflect "remixed" on some Doors issues on some Doors songs. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 10:48am
Was this the B side of some copies of C&C or was it a mistake on Rhino's part? My (promo) has "(I'm) Taken" for a B side. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 10:54am
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"Some Kind Of Love" was the flip side of my 45 purchased in the Western Pa area.
I noticed how much better "People Are Strange" sounded via ITunes, than did "Light My Fire". Hopefully, "Touch Me" will be released. Although wasn't that one released as a stereo single? ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 11:27am
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"Some Kind Of Love" is the more common of the two B-sides, and my original copy had it, too. Interestingly enough, when "Crimson And Clover" was reissued in 1973 on the ABC/Dunhill Goldies 45 series, "(I'm) Taken" was on its B-side.
Yes, the "Touch Me" 45 was stereo. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 1:14pm
Also, "Unknown Soldier" is a unique 45 mix, so hopefully that one will be provided as well. Of course, some that missed the top 40 had unique mixes, too, such as "You Make Me Real." I can't remember, is the 45 of "Wishful Sinful" a different mix? I haven't played it in a long time...it's definitely in stereo but I thought there some differences from the LP version. It's certainly nice that these are being made available as digital downloads, but it would be even better if the Doors camp would finally consent to a CD release of the original 45 versions. Surely the fact that we're seeing some of these made available for the first time in decades indicates some openness to allowing them to be released on full-fledged CD. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 8:30pm
| Like Touch Me, the Wishful Sinful stock 45 is a different stereo mix than the LP version. There was also a Wishful Sinful mono DJ 45 but it sounds to me like it was simply summed from the stereo 45. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 11:40pm
There is also a mono DJ 45 for Touch Me, which I once saw selling on ebay for a whole lot more money than i'd be willing to spend on it. I have not heard it, but i'd be more than willing to bet it is just a fold-down of the stereo 45 version. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:35pm
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I'm guessing Rhino isn't doing any more--nothing is being listed on Amazon's site as being available in the future. Hope I'm wrong. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:35pm
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Such a shame. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:39pm
That's probably because they fired the guy who was in charge of those singles.....their loss for sure. idiots... ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:47pm
What was his name? |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:58am
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get the point of them to begin with. Is it a "two for the price of one with a label scan"? I can't imagine most buyers care today about a 45 B side that few people cared about back in the day. As some have mentioned here, these are not even necessarily the correct 45 versions. Maybe it was one of those ideas that sounded good on paper but just didn't fly. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:02pm
I think his first name is Brian, can't recall his last name offhand....my brain is failing me in my young age. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 17 November 2009 at 5:54am
Looks like I am wrong. More are coming out next week. Among them: Doctor My Eyes - Jackson Browne What's On Your Mind (Pure Energy) - Information Society Ride Captain Ride - Blues Image Foolish Beat - Debbie Gibson (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman - Aretha Franklin ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 November 2009 at 8:41am
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Foolish Beat, right on! I've been wanting that B-side instrumental FOREVER. It was never issued on CD.
Ride Captain Ride does say "single version," but of course, it's not -- it's stereo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 3:16am
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Well, I bought "Foolish Beat" and the mono "Doctor My Eyes" Digital 45s tonight on iTunes, and found something strange and interesting: all of Britney Spears's past singles, whether they were released commercial in the US or not, have been released as two-two track "Digital 45s." Every one of them, going back to "Baby One More Time," with the original cover art. They appear to be iTunes exclusives. Weird, huh?
They didn't get the correct B-sides on most of the handful that were commercially released in the U.S., though, except for "Baby One More Time." |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 6:07am
Well promo 45s were mono/stereo, so technically they're correct (assuming it really is the single version). |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 7:55pm
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After doing a bunch of Xmas singles last month, some more (non-Xmas) came out today. In my view nothing all that noteworthy, except perhaps the 45 of Chaka Khan's "Through The Fire" (not sure if that's available elsewhere). YMMV.
At least they're still coming out, which is a good thing. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 8:03pm
| Mm, I think the mono single mix of "Vehicle" and its B-side is notable, only because the Rhino Handmade CD where they had previously been issued is long out of print. But I got a copy from the library, so I don't really need to download them. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 8:08pm
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By the way, I did call Rhino customer service today and complain once again about dozens of digital albums and digital singles saying they're "physical only -- not available." I was connected to a woman who sounded like she was from India, so I will bet you they are, like so many companies, farming out their customer service to India. (At least she did speak perfect English, though with an Indian accent.)
She asked what specific titles I was referring to, and looked one of them up and said, "Oh, no, that shouldn't be like that." She said she would turn the matter over to a manager and someone would contact me by email or phone within 48 hours... so we'll see about that. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 8:24am
I'm not as good at deciphering mono vs. stereo, so that's why that completely went by me. Good catch nonetheless. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 9:06am
Is this just an edit, or an actual mix difference? |