Mariah Carey - Someday & Emotions promos
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Topic: Mariah Carey - Someday & Emotions promos
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Mariah Carey - Someday & Emotions promos
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 5:17pm
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Since promo CD info hasn't been provided for these two, I thought I'd post what I've found. I do not own these discs, so perhaps someone who does can fill us in on 1) the actual run times, and 2) if they recall hearing/playing any of the various versions on the air during their chart runs.
"Someday" CSK 73561 1. Album Version (4:06) 2. New 7" Jackswing (4:40)* 3. New 7" Straight (4:16) 4. New 12" House (6:50) *It was stated in another thread that some cassette singles and some 7" vinyl singles contained this mix. UPDATED: The following promo has been discovered to be fake. I'm leaving the details, though, so that the rest of the thread makes sense. "Emotions" CSK 23752 (1 of 2 promos, the other being a 1-track album version) 1. Radio Edit (3:52) 2. C&C Radio Mix (4:23) 3. C&C Club Mix (5:51) 4. C&C Club No. 1 Mix (7:44) 5. C&C Dub Dub Mix (5:45) 6. C&C Instrumental (5:03) 7. Album Version (4:08) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
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Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:28pm
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Could someone provide more details on the "Radio Edit"
version of "Emotions"? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:34pm
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I asked our resident promo CD guru, Jim, if he had details about this promo, and his station never received a copy, nor was he aware that it existed. You can see the details, including cover scans, http://www.mcarchives.com/discography/spec.asp?id=emotions-s - here and http://www.discogs.com/Mariah-Carey-Emotions/release/998521 - here.
I can't say for sure if the Radio Edit is an edit of the LP version or of one of the remixes. Looking at the scans in the second link, there is not an asterisk next to the Radio Edit or LP Version, whereas there is next to all of the remixes. This would lead me to believe that it's an edit of the LP version. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:45pm
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Missed this one completely.
I hope someone happens to have this version here! There is an audio/"video" on youtube credited as "Emotions (Radio Edit)" but it runs nearly 20 seconds shorter than the listed time on this promo and may be a fake creation. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:29pm
| I sent the person on discogs a message to see if they could check the timing. Thanks for the tip on the YouTube video. I recreated that version, which has two edits. It cuts the repeated choruses in the middle of the song and toward the end. The edits are at 2:04 and 3:12, and each one cuts about 16.7 seconds. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:10am
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Aaron, here are your requested actual run times from the "Someday" CSK 73561 promo CD single you've already detailed the printed times for back in this thread's opening post:
1-(listed & actual 4:06) 2-(listed 4:40; actual 4:39) 3-(listed 4:16; actual 4:17) 4-(listed & actual 6:50) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:44am
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my commercial cassingle issued as columbia 73977 of "emotions" contains the below tracks
1-emotions 2-vanishing neither the cassingle's cardboard sleeve or the the cassingle face states any version but the cassingle version is the same as the full length cd/lp version running 4:06 my commercial cassingle issued as columbia 73561 of "someday" is a little bit more complicated the carboard sleeve states the below tracks 1-someday (new 7" jackswing) 2-alone in love (no description) the cassingle itself says 1-someday (album version) 2-alone in love (no description) i don't know if this is an oversight or maybe someone exchanged another sleeve/cassingle for mine.....and maybe there really is a "new 7" jackswing" version out there..... but the version that is on my commercial cassingle is identical to the cd/lp version running 4:05 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:52pm
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Ed:
In the " http://http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=482&KW=Mariah+Carey+Someday&PN=0&TPN=3 - updates for database " thread a while back, Brian W. posted the following regarding the cassette single release of Mariah Carey's "Someday": Pat, I just noticed the update to Mariah Carey's "Someday," how the cassette single used the LP version. Yes and no. I personally owned (though I don't think I do any longer) two separate cassette singles of the song (one was purchased as part of a lot on Ebay). One had the LP Version, and the other used the 7" New Jackswing mix. Both were two-track cassettes with the same B-side and the EXACT same catalog number on the sleeve. I can't recall of the cassette shell itself indicated which version it was. But both were definitely US pressings. I believe (though I'm not positive) that all 45s used the LP Version. You should update the comment that some cassettes were mastered with the LP Version while others used the 7" New Jackswing Mix. Cmmmbase also confirmed the following in the same thread: I have 2 different stock 45s of Mariah Carey's "Someday" One with the regular lp version, and one with the New Jack Swing Version. Both have the same B-side and same catalog number. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 4:48pm
I'm confused on recreating the radio edit for "Emotions." Can someone point me to exact edit points? |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 5:46pm
That entire second promo is likely a fake creation. I don't think it was listed as suchwhen Aaron first posted his info, but it is now listed on Discogs as a bootleg. (See the Notes section.) It's entirely possible that this 3:52 Edit is a fan-made edit. http://www.discogs.com/reviews?release=998521 - http://www.discogs.com/reviews?release=998521 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 6:14pm
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Brian,
Your link gave me a 404 error. Is this the CDr you were talking about? http://www.discogs.com/Mariah-Carey- Emotions/release/998521. Its labeled on Discogs as an unofficial release and I can't find the 3:52 radio edit video on YouTube either. Considering this thread dates back to 2009, it's possible Mariah's label had the video removed. EDIT: For some reason, my post post doesn't link to the URL properly. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 6:20pm
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The comments underneath indicate that the CDr and edit
are fan made. I'm guessing then that there was never a 'radio edit' for "Emotions." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 6:33pm
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Fixed the link. Chrome does not seem to work with this website very well.
I don't see any comments below the release about that particular edit being fan-made, but I've NEVER seen a CD-R that old before. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 6:50pm
| I am on Chrome too and I had trouble posting the link. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 7:04pm
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Yeah, I had to use Internet Explorer to fix the link. I've
had that problem with Chrome before. I don't see why everyone thinks it's so great. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 February 2015 at 10:43pm
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Good catch, guys! Yes, when I posted about that fake promo (over 5 years ago), it hadn't yet been pointed out that it was a fake. If you don't study it carefully, the scans make it look convincingly real. But yeah, now that I see the printing on the inner ring of the CD, it's definitely a CD-R, which were not being released by record labels in 1991. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 09 February 2015 at 10:21am
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To add to the thread, I have the one-track promo single
for "Emotions" (CSK 73977). No version or time listed but it runs about 4:06, the same as the album version. |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 10 February 2015 at 1:38pm
| Thanks for the info, guys. I'd been looking for the edit of Emotions for quite some, after seeing it mentioned in the database. Looks like it's time to call off the search party! |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 15 June 2015 at 6:03pm
| Just curious to know if the album version or the "New 7" Jackswing" version of "Someday" was played on the radio? |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 15 June 2015 at 9:48pm
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I only heard the album version around Northeast Oklahoma. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 15 June 2015 at 10:53pm
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Regarding "Someday"... I remember hearing both versions on the radio, but the video was something else entirely. A bit of a hybrid version, largely based on the 7" Jackswing remix with one edit, BUT it features tons of additional overdubs, many from the album version or from Shep Pettibone's similar sounding 7" Straight version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RWfSUWVP2I Was this exact version available on any of the audio releases? It's much fuller sounding than the 7" Jackswing found on the maxi-single. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 15 June 2015 at 10:55pm
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I should add that the First Vision home video release used a lengthier 12" version of the video instead of this concise version found now on Vevo and aired back in 1990 on MTV.
Subsequent video release #1's used the Unplugged performance of the song instead of the actual video. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 17 June 2015 at 7:32pm
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I have not had the chance to compare but from the reasearch I've done
it seems as though the short version of the video used the "new 7" jackswing" version. The long video used the 12" jackswing track. Supposedly the mixes of these two tracks are not exactly the same. |
Posted By: maciav
Date Posted: 21 June 2015 at 11:33am
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Has anyone listened to Mariah's "#1 To
Infinity" yet? I am curious if there is anything unique on this besides how Sony Legacy screwed up "I'll Be There." In paricular, I wonder if "Someday" is the LP version again. I have been checking the database regularly, but the disc information isn't entered. Is this an import disc meaning it won't be entered? ------------- Mike C. from PA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 21 June 2015 at 6:25pm
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I just sampled the disc online and it features the MTV
Unplugged version of "Someday." |
Posted By: maciav
Date Posted: 21 June 2015 at 8:39pm
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Thank you for letting me know. For me,
that means they missed an opportunity with "Someday" and messed up "I'll Be There." In my opinion of course. ------------- Mike C. from PA |
Posted By: Michaeldila
Date Posted: 22 June 2015 at 7:31pm
| just curious....how was "i'll be there" messed up? |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 05 August 2019 at 1:37pm
My radio station played the "New 7" Straight". I never heard the "New 7" Jackswing" on the radio. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 7:55pm
I would concur with the New 7 Straight being played in NY. It has what I call more "kick" to the song and closer to what I remember hearing back then. The more I listen to it, the more I can hear why someone would play it over the LP. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 18 September 2020 at 11:18am
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Back in those days, I remember Mariah's end whistle
note being at full volume on the radio and not fading until after she completed the note. I was surprised when I got the album that it faded during her whistle note at the end. At the time, I did not put it together that the version that I heard on the radio (New 7" Straight) was actually a remix. For her 30th anniversary, Mariah has been releasing a bunch of digital EPs, including one for "Someday", making these rare mixes available on paid digital download sites for the first time. Qobuz has them in supposed 24-bit/44k audio. Worth checking out if you want to add them to your collection. ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 05 April 2021 at 5:26pm
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Can anyone give any insight to Qobuz? It states you can choose
between hi-res download or "CD." Do they actually send physical CDs? Has anyone used this service before? |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 05 April 2021 at 7:53pm
Qobuz is a digital download site. Basically in their world, the CD does not exist, but it refers to the quality being CD quality (or lossless). A hi res download would be more expensive but offer more sound quality. For newer stuff I find that hi res is too much. Some older stuff it might be worth having. The good news is that you don't have to wait too long to get your digital file. I have used the service many times to find stuff that isn't always out on CD. So I highly recommend it.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |