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Topic: Didn’t We Almost Have It All - Whitney
Posted By: EdisonLite
Subject: Didn’t We Almost Have It All - Whitney
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:25am
I'm bringing this subject (from another thread 4 years ago) into its own topic. Aaron wrote:

"Whitney Houston - Didn't We Almost Have It All - On the Greatest Hits CD, and on my TM Century library, this song sounds awful! The vocals are very distorted, and it sounds as if the tape was bad or like it was transfered from a bad vinyl source. It's noticable throughout the song, but it's really bad from the 3:30 point to the end...and especially at 4:08.
Does anyone know if the original Whitney album has this problem, too?>

At the time, I'd never noticed anything. After Aaron pointed it out, now whenever I listen (at least on headphones) the distortion does sound terrible. And it's even on the original CD - "Whitney". Aaron pointed out it's also on the edited version on the "Greatest Hits" CD. Tonight I tried to use X-crackle on most of the vocal distortion parts and probably reduced it by a third or so, but not nearly enough.

So does anyone know - is there an import CD that doesn't have distortion on this song? Funny that I never really noticed it before Aaron's post. Never even heard it on the CD back in 1987 when I played it frequently. Is it possible that CD rot caused the distortion on my CD (and other Whitney CDs made at the time) and that's why I didn't notice it then and do now? (But that doesn't explain why the Greatest Hits CD has the same problem - unless they edited it from an old Whitney CD). Could all the CDs have rotted?



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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 7:45am
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the CDs. Actually, the last time I listened, it sounded to me as if only the vocal track has the distortion issue, while the instrumentation is okay. If I had to guess, I'd say this song was mastered and/or recorded this way.


Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 8:14am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the CDs. Actually, the last time I listened, it sounded to me as if only the vocal track has the distortion issue, while the instrumentation is okay. If I had to guess, I'd say this song was mastered and/or recorded this way.


Right. I don't think CD rot would manifest as vocal distortion. I don't recall the distortion, but I haven't listened to this song in a while.

Possible culprits for distortion in a case like this would be either overload when recording the vocal (you know Whitney and her loud voice), or overloading the levels during the mix. However, it would be unusual to encounter technical flaws of this nature in a big budget production like this in 1987.


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:21am
<it would be unusual to encounter technical flaws of this nature in a big budget production like this in 1987.>

I agree. But it looks like that's the case here. That means when Michael Masser (the song's producer) was mixing the song he either didn't notice the distortion or didn't care. The CD rot does NOT occur during the instrumental portions of the song so you're right, it can't be CD rot. And if it's this way on the "Whitney" CD, it must be this way on the master (unless it's NOT this way on the Whitney LP, but that's doubtful.) So if the master has it, all import CDs will have it, and it must have always aired this way on the radio.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:11am
Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

Possible culprits for distortion in a case like this would be either overload when recording the vocal (you know Whitney and her loud voice), or overloading the levels during the mix.

I was suspicious of this at first; however, the distortion occurs not only in places where Whitney is belting out the notes, but also where she sings softer passages. I could see this being possible if the vocals were overmodulated going into a certain piece of equipment, such as a processor. Maybe the input gain was way set too high, which would still allow the levels to look "okay" on the output, during recording and mixdown. You would think that the engineer would've noticed the horrible sound, though, especially when playing the vocal back in "solo" mode.

I still think it's also possible that the multi-track tape was bad (near the outer edge, for instance, so that only one or a couple of tracks were affected).


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 2:57pm
Anyone check the vinyl 45 or a cassette single to see if they too have this distortion?

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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 5:52pm
It's distorted on the 4:33 45 version on the UK The Hits Album 7 CD from 1987.

If it's got the distortion there, it's safe to say that the distortion will show up on every copy of the song, everywhere.


Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:29am
That one's on an Arista promo CD called Six Pack of Hits.
I'll have to dig it up and see what the quality is like on that one.
It must have been alright because it was our studio version when it was a hit in 1987.


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Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 09 December 2010 at 1:50pm
fyi...This track on the vinyl LP of "Whitney" is also distorted.


Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 11:55pm
The DJ edit is painless to make from the "Whitney" CD:

Take out the 30 seconds between 3:53 and 4:22.

Ta-da! :-)

(And, the near-mint CD I found in a pawn shop here for a dollar last week sounds really gritty on this song, too... odd, since the first few tracks are so clean!)

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Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 14 April 2012 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by bwolfe bwolfe wrote:

That one's on an Arista promo CD called Six Pack
of Hits.


I picked up a copy of this disc today, and Whitney's vocal sounds
distorted to me here as well.


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 October 2012 at 11:47pm
OK, I have an update on this issue - from Sony itself. I've been helping them out with the reissue of Whitney's 1987 "Whitney" CD. Back in 2005, Aaron K brought it to all of our attention that "Didn't We Almost Have It All" had vocal distortion throughout much of the song. There was various speculation as to the cause of this.

With my working on the upcoming CD, I brought this issue to the attention of the Sony guy I'm working with. He found and checked all 6 mixdowns they had and all had the vocal distortion. His final effort was to have the multi-track tapes pulled to see if the the vocal distortion was recorded that way on the separated vocal track. Here's his response:

<Multi-tracks had the same vocal distortion. The mastering engineer did the best they can do to fix. It sounds fine.>

So basically, they took the two-track master and did some processes to lessen the distortion. At least now, we know Whitney's vocals were actually recorded this way, so there's no need to search for a distortion-free version on any CD. This remaster will probably be the best sounding one (though I haven't heard it.) At least, it's the only one where the distortion was attempted to be removed.

BTW, this deluxe edition will have 6 bonus cuts - three other songs released from the same time period, plus 3 previously unreleased songs that were also recorded during the late '80s.


Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 8:36am
Hey EdisonLite,

so I take it this is going to be a single disc release and not a much hoped for 2-disc release with the 12" versions of I Wanna Dance With Somebody, So Emotional, Love Will Save the Day, and For the Love Of You?


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 9:15am
Yes. I, too, was hoping for a 2-disc set, much like the 25th anniversary release of Whitney's first album (which had a 2nd disc containing videos). It especially would have been nice to have all the 12" vinyl mixes of "I Wanna Dance" on one CD, instead of scattered about on 3 or more import CDs, as they were.

The 3 bonus cuts that were previously released are "One Moment In Time", "Moment of Truth" (the b-side of "I Wanna Dance"), and IIRC, a Jermaine Jackson duet from a Jermaine album (though it's not "If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful".)

The 3 bonus cuts that are previously unreleased include 2 Michael Masser songs and a Winans song.


Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 9:43am
Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

and IIRC, a Jermaine Jackson duet from a Jermaine album (though it's not "If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful".)


Probably "Shock Me," which was the B-side of "Didn't We Almost Have It All."

Great to finally found out that the distortion was on the original recording.


Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 4:19pm
When can we expect this upcoming reissue Gordon?

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Miami, Florida


Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 4:26pm
As long as the reissue is not clipped to death, I'll have to pick this up. Thanks for the info!

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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 25 October 2012 at 5:58pm
The rarest form of a "deluxe" re-issue is the only one i
like:
either bonus tracks, OR a bonus disc containing all other
released versions of the albums tracks, meaning 45 edits,
12" single mixes, radio edits, B-sides etc.   Once in
awhile i actually encounter one.
Most of the time, i see a bunch a "live" tracks.
Sorry, not interested.

The bonus tracks on this release are not bad, but in my
opinion, woefully incomplete.   


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:44am
Brian, Yes, "Shock Me" is the 3rd of the 3 previously released tracks. Santi, probably a January release but I don't think that's carved in stone. Gene, "Didn't We Almost ..." should be the best sounding version on this CD because it's the only one where an engineer consciously tried to remove the vocal distortion. Mark, yes a 2-disc set with all the 12" mixes would have been nice, but I believe all those 12" mixes came out on CD elsewhere, and what's really nice about this collection is that it contains THREE previously unreleased bonus cuts (!), and considering Whitney is no longer with us (and there were only 5 previously unreleased WH cuts in all the Sony vaults), and the fact that the 2 unreleased Michael Masser written/produced tracks are as GREAT as his released songs ("Greatest Love of All", "Didn't We Almost Have It All", "Saving All My Love For You", "All At Once") - will make this a treasured disc in my collection. And in all honesty, at the start of this project, I had no way of knowing if those unreleased songs would even be allowed to be included on this CD. There were so many steps where someone could have said No - the Whitney Houston estate/family, Clive Davis (the record label president), any of the publishers/writers - anyone of these entities could have said No, feeling the recording wasn't good enough, never fully completed, etc. etc. So I was glad all 3 got approved. As for the other unreleased stuff, my understanding is they're coming, too - in future releases like a boxed set or various "Essential" or "Ultimate Whitney" type releases. There will be an "Essential" type of CD release for this Christmas, but they won't have these 3 particular bonus cuts, and I haven't seen the track listing yet.


Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 October 2012 at 10:06pm
Fantastic info, Gordon! How cool is it to have a forum member here bring the "Didn't We Almost Have It All" distortion issue to the attention of the Sony people and an engineer responds in kind by actually trying to fix it! Now if there's any way you could gently suggest to them not to remaster "Didn't We Almost Have It All" and the rest of the Whitney album with excessively loud "brickwalled" audio levels, then I'd really be happy! ;-)


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

How cool is it to have a forum member here bring the "Didn't We Almost Have It All" distortion issue to the attention of the Sony people


And all thanks to another forum member here - Aaron K - bringing up the distortion issue in the 1st place. A "Pat Downey group" team effort.

As for the mastering, it's done, and I'd have no influence on that anyway. I have no idea how much compression they used, but I can only suggest someone check the compression levels of the 25th anniversary CD of "Whitney Houston" and my guess is it would be close to that. However, don't expect the non-compression that was on the actual 1985 and 1987 CDs. I don't think I ever buy a newly reissued CD these days that's that soft. Having SOME level of compression is the standard these days, it seems.


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 8:22pm
And actually, beyond my and Aaron's efforts, what's REALLY nice here is that Sony listened and cared. I can't tell you how many major labels I think don't care about details. In this case, I was working with one individual where this sort of thing mattered to him.


Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 28 October 2012 at 8:55pm
I read on another forum today that the engineer pulled up the multitrack and removed the distortion from the vocal track. This pretty much means the song was remixed for the new CD coming out. I just hope the remix matches the balances of the original mix.

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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 6:51am
Can you give us the link to where you read that?

UPDATE: I did a google search for "Didn't we almost have it all distortion" and found one website referencing this issue - soulfuldetroit.com - but it was just someone who referred to what I said on this website and misinterpreted it.

To be clear to anyone who may have misuderstood me. Sony checked the 6 mixdowns of "Didn't We" (all of which had the vocal distortion), then checked the multi-track (in hopes it had no distortion, then they could do a new mix without distortion). But it had distortion as well. So they used some digital tools to clean up the distortion. It was not reported to me which source they used for this, but since the distortion was everywhere, my guess it they used one of the six two-track mixdowns and cleaned it up there, preserving the original mix. (I think they would have only gone to the multi tracks and remixed it if there was no vocal distortion there, but it was there, too.)


Posted By: Glenpwood
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 12:07pm
Oops that was me, I didn't read it carefully before posting there. I'll be more cautious in the future. Soulful Detroit boards tend to be dramatic so I don't post much there these days. I had made the point about this and How Will I Know's 45 mix not being on CD previously and someone tried to rip me a new one over it. They did admit they heard the distortion on the vocal after specifically referencing where to find it....


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by Glenpwood Glenpwood wrote:

...How Will I Know's 45 mix not being on CD previously...

There was some discussion in another thread about "How Will I Know" having two different 45 versions. One of them strangely tacks on the ending of the LP version. The other one has the 45 remix all the way to the end, and this one has yet to appear on CD domestically. I'm not sure if it's ever been issued on an import.

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Posted By: Glenpwood
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 7:41am
I've picked up import singles and the various best ofs over the years issued in the UK, Japan, and Aus hoping to get the HWIK with the correct ending but still no luck...


Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 06 November 2013 at 8:32pm
Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

OK, I have an update on this issue -
from Sony itself. I've been helping them out with the
reissue of Whitney's 1987 "Whitney" CD. Back in 2005,
Aaron K brought it to all of our attention that "Didn't
We Almost Have It All" had vocal distortion throughout
much of the song. There was various speculation as to the
cause of this.

With my working on the upcoming CD, I brought this issue
to the attention of the Sony guy I'm working with. He
found and checked all 6 mixdowns they had and all had the
vocal distortion. His final effort was to have the multi-
track tapes pulled to see if the the vocal distortion was
recorded that way on the separated vocal track. Here's
his response:

<Multi-tracks had the same vocal distortion. The
mastering engineer did the best they can do to fix. It
sounds fine.>

So basically, they took the two-track master and did some
processes to lessen the distortion. At least now, we know
Whitney's vocals were actually recorded this way, so
there's no need to search for a distortion-free version
on any CD. This remaster will probably be the best
sounding one (though I haven't heard it.) At least, it's
the only one where the distortion was attempted to be
removed.

BTW, this deluxe edition will have 6 bonus cuts - three
other songs released from the same time period, plus 3
previously unreleased songs that were also recorded
during the late '80s.
Did this anniversary
edition ever get released? Maybe I missed it (so just
checking).

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Santi Paradoa

Miami, Florida


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 07 November 2013 at 7:56am
You didn't miss it, Santi. Sony has postponed the release of this, as well as Whitney's boxed set (my understanding is that it's a Clive Davis decision). They haven't been cancelled, just postponed. And obviously, unlike the reissue of the first Whitney album, this 2nd one won't be a "25th Anniversary" reissue, because 2014 would be the 27th year!

You'd think a major corporation like Sony would want to "cash in" on the death of one of their superstars and release box sets and all sorts of things shortly after her death ... but no, they're taking their sweet old time. (And btw, in case you're wondering, it's not like the estate of Whitney Houston is objecting to these releases. My understanding is that it's Clive's desires.)


Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 07 November 2013 at 2:54pm
Thanks for the update Gordon. Mr. Davis might be what Bugs Bunny would call "a maroon" (opinion).

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Santi Paradoa

Miami, Florida


Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 08 September 2017 at 1:18pm
Bumping this thread up.

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Santi Paradoa

Miami, Florida


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 15 August 2019 at 4:18am
Is it safe to say that plans for a Deluxe Edition of
the "Whitney" album have been put on hold
indefinitely? I know by now, we're up to the 32nd
anniversary of the album, but I always hoped to see it
and especially to finally have a distortion-free
version of "Didn't We Almost Have It All". For years,
I always thought something sounded a little off about
that song and after reading about it here, I
understand why. I can definitely hear the distortion
on the choruses.

By the way, this is my first post and I just want to
say how excited I am to join the conversation. I've
been a collector myself (especially of singles) for
years and I've learned an incredible amount about the
many different versions/mixes of songs from the
threads here. Thank you again to Aaron for adding me!


Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 August 2019 at 5:00am
Welcome, CD Guy!


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 August 2019 at 6:43am
Yes, welcome to the forum!

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Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 15 August 2019 at 8:59am
Glad to finally have you here! Welcome!


Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 15 August 2019 at 9:57am
Welcome, thecdguy! I'm a bit new here myself.

I wondered, too, what happened to that deluxe edition of
Whitney's second album.


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 16 August 2019 at 7:47am
Thank you everyone for the welcome, much
appreciated!

I also just realized that there's also
probably not much hope of an anniversary
edition of the "I'm Your Baby Tonight"
album when it turns 30 next year, if
there's been a delay on the second album.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if Arista    
does something for "The Bodyguard"
soundtrack when it turns 30 in 2022.


Posted By: Michaeldila
Date Posted: 16 August 2019 at 10:08am
What’s even left to do with “the bodyguard”...? And welcome!


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 16 August 2019 at 11:15am
Originally posted by Michaeldila Michaeldila wrote:

What’s even left to do with “the
bodyguard”...? And welcome!


Thank you! I was thinking they may go the usual route
with a Deluxe Edition that had some remixes of the hits,
or alternate versions of some of the songs by the other
artists on the soundtrack, if there are any. I know
there's at least several mixes of "It's Gonna Be A Lovely
Day", for example. I know there was that compilation
released not long ago with alternate versions of
Whitney's songs from the soundtrack.


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 August 2019 at 1:28am
I was working with Sony/Legacy on the 25th Anniversary Edition of Whitney's 2nd album (which would have included 3 unreleased songs, 2 of which were written by Michael Masser, the writer of all of Whitney's "All" singles - Greatest Love of ALL, Didn't We Almost Have It ALL, Saving ALL my Love for You, and ALL at Once (which I count as a single because it got a lot of AC radio airplay, charted on some national AC charts though not Billboard because of their rules, and is included on Whitney's "Greatest Hits" CD. Anyway, it would have been a 2 CD set with amazing bonus cuts.

Then Whitney died.

And Clive Davis put a hold on all future Whitney releases. He's allowed one comp since then, and that's about it. (Not even a 4-CD boxed set which was also in the planning.) This CD is on permanent hold and I doubt it will ever come out, especially as I've brought up its release with Sony a number of times since Whitney's death. Clive has decided to to do very little with Whitney's catalog after her death.

I find that weird - because after other superstars die (e.g. Michael Jackson, etc.) usually the labels milk the artist's catalog for all it's worth. Not Clive/Whitney.


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 19 August 2019 at 6:53am
That's very disappointing. It's even more confusing
since it's been 7 years now since she passed, so it's
not like her passing would be exploited by having the
Deluxe Edition released.

If someone worked on "Didn't We Almost Have It All" to
lessen the distortion, is there any chance to at least
have that version made available as a digital download
(hopefully lossless)? I guess that would have to have
Clive's approval too, but it's not like it would set
them back financially to make it available in that
format.

As for "All At Once", it had quite a bit of Airplay in
my area on the AC Stations and I think I even heard it a
few times on one of our Top 40 stations. Since it was
the B-Side of "Saving All My Love For You", I really am
surprised Billboard didn't list both songs on the chart
as a Double A-Side.


Posted By: Michaeldila
Date Posted: 19 August 2019 at 7:22am
It should have been a double-A side. I didn’t listen to AC radio back
then yet i heard “all at once” constantly it seems...so i’m assuming it got
alot of top 40 exposure here in new york...


Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 19 August 2019 at 5:17pm
Does anyone know if radio stations jumped on "All at
Once" as a potential follow to the No. 1 success of
"Greatest Love of All" (which was the final single from
the album)? Or, was it just played throughout 1985/1986
despite not being promoted as an A-side?


Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 19 August 2019 at 6:09pm
I remember it being played in NY as well, but you would think if it got any legitimate promotion here in the states it would have either a) charted as an AA hit or b) included as an airplay hit in the Top Pop Singles and it is not. I've taken the opinion that since radio stations clearly played it, it deserves its place in history.

If I recall it was released overseas as a single, so there is that. So there is merit to the whole AA thing.

https://www.discogs.com/Whitney-Houston-All-At-Once/master/225428 - https://www.discogs.com/Whitney-Houston-All-At-Once/master/2 25428


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 4:16am
Originally posted by Bellenger1981 Bellenger1981 wrote:

Does anyone know if radio
stations jumped on "All at
Once" as a potential follow to the No. 1 success of
"Greatest Love of All" (which was the final single
from
the album)? Or, was it just played throughout
1985/1986
despite not being promoted as an A-side?


I seem to recall it having airplay late in 1985, but I
could be wrong. If it was 1986, I could see why Arista
might have been reluctant to release it, as a year
after "Greatest Love Of All" went to #1, the first
single from her second album was already on the charts
and on its way to #1. Maybe they thought having "All
At Once" as an A-Side would have been overkill.


Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 6:13am
All At Once did show up in Radio & Records' Significant
Action section for CHR stations (which means a few
stations reported playing it) beginning 7/4/86 and
lasting 4 weeks. At its peak, 26 stations reported
playing it.


Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 7:23am
I also heard All at Once sprinkled intermittedly in various Top 40 markets
during 1986, but never in Power Rotation. It always felt like a local choice, not
a Label directive, and I guess AC just couldn't help themselves, thus the #23
AC peak in Radio & Records. I believe Arista wanted to keep Whitney's Hot
100 #1 streak alive and felt that the song was incapable of quite doing that in
the summer of 1986.

A similar scenario occurred 5 years later when Columbia issued a cease &
desist to various stations who were playing Mariah Carey's "Prisoner" as a
logical follow-up to her first 4 #1 songs. I think Tommy wanted to keep her
streak alive in prep for her Sophomore album later that year.


Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 1:30pm
Such a wealth of information here. Thank you for the
responses. Interesting how labels did not want to
interrupt streaks of No. 1 hits back then. I had no idea
that radio was trying to pick up on "Prisoner" by Mariah
Carey back then either.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Bellenger1981 Bellenger1981 wrote:

Such a wealth of information here. Thank you for the responses.

It's nice to see new members here! I'm sure some have "lurked" for years but weren't able to register due to it being suspended. Hopefully the workaround I've posted at the top of the board encourages other long-time lurkers to reach out to me about joining.

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Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 20 August 2019 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Originally posted by Bellenger1981 Bellenger1981 wrote:

Such a wealth of
information here. Thank you for the responses.

It's nice to see new members here! I'm sure some have
"lurked" for years but weren't able to register due to
it being suspended. Hopefully the workaround I've
posted at the top of the board encourages other long-
time lurkers to reach out to me about joining.

Indeed. That's what happened in my case. I had been
lurking for years. I ended up e-mailing Pat because I
wanted to participate in the forum. It had been much too
long. So much cool and helpful information here in
addition to awesome people!


Posted By: JM27
Date Posted: 08 September 2019 at 5:26am
Such a shame that the expanded edition of Whitney hasn't
been released. The success of the recent Kygo remix of
"Higher Love" (currently No.2 in the UK) does give me
some hope for a proper schedule of posthumous releases,
especially with Primary Wave Music Publishing acquiring a
50% stake in the Houston Estate' assets who'll want to
maximise their investment. Pat Houston did recently state
that an album of unreleased tracks was in the works -
perhaps these unissued Whitney era songs will be featured
on that?


Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 11 September 2019 at 12:32am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:


It's nice to see new members here! I'm sure some have "lurked" for years but weren't able to register due to it being suspended. Hopefully the workaround I've posted at the top of the board encourages other long-time lurkers to reach out to me about joining.


Aaron,

Funny you should say that I was one of those lurkers who read the board religiously for years before. I posted on the Steve Hoffman boards and got to know thehitsman and thecdguy long before I posted here. If not for Pat allowing registration I would have still been lurking. I took the plunge to have access to the database to do the top 40 project right.

For the longest time I thought the board didnt have new members at all or the only way to be a board member was to buy a subscription. I would have been on here about 6 years ago. I was friendly with edtop40 for awhile before I even joined. So yes thanks Aaron for making it easier for people to share their info and for all of us to benefit.


Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 7:02am
Is it safe to assume that the situation remains the same with "Didn't We Almost Have It All", still no release of the version that was worked on
by an engineer to try to remove/lessen the distortion throughout the song? Obviously the 25th anniversary edition of the "Whitney" album never ended up
being released and now we're up to its 35th anniversary. I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon, either.

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Dan In Philly


Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 9:14am
I was at the concert when she recorded the video for Didn’t We Almost
Have It All. Absolutely mind blowing how good she sounded. It was cold too.
I remember there was a pause in the concert I think right before this song
something about going live on MTV and had to wait til ready to go live.
Anyway a great performance. Too bad about the distortion on the master
vocals but no distortion here: https://youtu.be/i_4PlM85NJo - Didn’t
We Almost Have It All


Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 November 2022 at 1:48am
Originally posted by thecdguy thecdguy wrote:

Is it safe to assume that the situation remains the
same with "Didn't We Almost Have It All", still no release of the version that
was worked on
by an engineer to try to remove/lessen the distortion throughout the song?
Obviously the 25th anniversary edition of the "Whitney" album never ended
up
being released and now we're up to its 35th anniversary. I guess that's not
going to happen anytime soon, either.


Wow, I guess I haven't been on this site since early July. (July 2 to be
precise! (I used to check it more than once a day for many years. But I
guess I've gotten busy). Still love the site. Anyway...

Yes you're correct, that version is likely not to come out, as the deluxe CD is
probably never going to come out. It was to have 3 unreleased bonus cuts
(And Whitney has very few unreleased songs). Oddly, the reason for this is
that after Whitney's death, Arista president Clive Davis didn't want to
release much of her music on CD. Such an odd approach and opposite to
Sony's Michael Jackson's approach. Maybe he feels he's preserving her
legacy by not releasing any 4CD boxed sets (yep, she's never had one!) or
anymore deluxe editions of CDs. I don't get that thinking. And now that
Legacy has moved to digital-only and vinyl, it seems like this will never
come out on CD. Of course, a 3rd party like Real Gone I'm sure would jump
on this but I don't think Clive is making it available to 3rd parties either.



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