Enigma - Return To Innocence
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Topic: Enigma - Return To Innocence
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Enigma - Return To Innocence
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:11pm
I just checked my copy of First Generation (Virgin Records compilation), and "Return To Innocence" has a synth note overlapping the opening vocal chant. This synth note is not present on the 4:03 "Radio Edit," which I presume to be the 45 version.
I don't own a copy of the full-length album to compare. Is the overlapping intro/outro the only difference between the "Radio Edit" and LP version?
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 8:55am
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By the way, the reason I posted this information is that the database makes no mention of the overlapping synth note on the First Generation CD. The database also says that DJ copies run (4:07) and not (4:03) as stated on the label. What's interesting is that my TM Century GoldDisc does actually run (4:03), and I would presume they took the song directly from a promo or commercial CD single. Does the commercial CD perhaps run 4:03? How about the cassette single?
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:29am
Aaron, in case it might help, here is my 1994 promo CD single information, although it does not feature an actual (4:03) version:
Enigma-"Return To Innocence" (DPRO-14123)
1-Radio Edit (listed 4:03; actual 4:07, no opening synth note)
2-Short Radio Edit (listed 3:01; actual 3:02, no opening synth note)
3-380 Midnight Mix (listed 5:55; actual 5:53)
4-Long & Alive Version (listed 7:07; actual 7:05)
FYI, we played track 1 on-air as a current.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 August 2009 at 7:31am
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There's one other thing I wanted to bring up about the song on First Generation. I noticed there are faint sound effects of crashing waves over the intro. They can be heard all the way until the drums kick in. I would presume this was taken directly from the full-length album, so it's possible these sound effects carry over from the previous track. If they are not part of the previous track, we might actually have a 45/LP difference, because there are no sound effects on the Radio Edit.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 12:35pm
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Bumping this back up, since the database has not yet been modified. As far as I can tell, an LP/45 distinction is needed, because the LP version has sound effects over the intro that are not on the single.
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Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 4:43pm
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I'm pretty sure the radio edit is the same mix as the LP version. From memory it segues/mixes in from the previous track which is "I Love You...I'll Kill You" I believe. Enigma was famous for having radio edits that are edited from the album so it stands alone as a single version. This is what initially attracted me to the group. "Sadeness Part I" is another example. The second single "Mea Culpa Part II" did the same thing.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:09pm
Thanks for chiming in, John. If anyone is an Enigma expert on this board, it's you. Just to be sure, though, can you pull out your full-length album to listen for the crashing waves sound effects I'm talking about? They are definitely not present on the single.
At the very least, some sort of notation is needed for the First Generation compilation, since it sounds like they took this from the album rather than the single.
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Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:57pm
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Yeah it's the end of "The Eyes of Truth." "I love u..." comes after. The note you hear is from the previous track. The radio edit is the same length just separated from the album.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:16pm
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The crashing waves sound effects are from the prevous track, too? If so, that's quite a long segue, lasting for more than 20 seconds.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:54pm
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Thanks to John G., I was just able to hear how the songs on the album segue together. John, would you consider the waves to be part of the previous track or part of "Return To Innocence"? There is about 20 seconds of wave sound effects on the end of the preceding track and about 20 seconds on the intro of "Return." Is this enough to warrant a "version" designation?
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Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 7:04pm
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In my opinion I feel as though the 20 second segue is part of "Return to Innocence." But Virgin Records did index the track to start at the chant just like it does on the radio edit. If I had to author the disc myself what I personally would do is use the 20 seconds as a "space" or filler by having it switch to the new track and begin a countdown until the chant. If the user jumps to "Return to Innocence" it would start at the chant but if they are listening to the album the track would switch at the beginning of the sound effects. Make sense? This was done on Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet" with the phone call in sound effects.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 8:37pm
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So, if I am understanding you correctly, we have an LP/45 distinction, since the sound effects are not present on the single version.
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Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 8:41pm
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Yes the radio edit is definitely the single version. I do not believe a 45 was issued for this but could be wrong. I'm sure they probably issued a jukebox 45. There were 45's for Sadeness and Mea Culpa back in 1990 and 91. They could have lifted your version in question from "LSI The Greatest Hits." That compilation was known for using various sound effect segues previously not used. I'll check.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 9:40pm
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John, thanks for allowing me to hear the Greatest Hits segue, too. It sounds like they used the original album on this one, too, although in this case, there are actually three songs overlapping---the two from the original album and the preceding track on Greatest Hits.
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Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 4:30pm
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Yeah the GH album is actually pretty neat how they added extra "segues" with previously unreleased "Enigmatic" synths.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 31 December 2011 at 9:58pm
I have the commercial maxi-CD single for Enigma's "Return to Innocence" and it contains the following track listing and actual run times:
1) Radio Edit - 4:07, not 4:03 as printed on the label (there is no opening synthesizer note)
2) Long & Alive Version - 7:04, not 7:07 as printed on the label
3) 380 Midnight Mix - 5:52, not 5:55 as printed on the label
4) Short Radio Edit - 3:01 (same as printed time) (there is no opening synthesizer note)
Track 5 contains Enigma's first Top 40 hit "Sadeness Part I". It's the "radio edit" (a.k.a. the single version) which runs 4:14.
Essentially, the maxi-CD single contains the same content as the promo CD single except for the tracks being in a different order. The versions of "Return to Innocence" I've always heard played on the radio are the single version and the "Short Radio Edit". The "Long & Alive Version" and the "380 Midnight Mix" are very different versions and therefore likely got little airplay, if any.
One more thing... The database does not currently show that "Return to Innocence" appears on the various artists CD Pure Moods (Virgin 42186) in its single version form with a run time of 4:06.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 January 2012 at 4:24pm
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Here's the latest from the news wire... Cassette single copies of Enigma's "Return to Innocence" feature the "Radio Edit" and have an actual run time of 4:07, not 4:03 as stated on the cardboard sleeve. (Thanks once again to good ole Ed for sharing this info.)
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