New Eric Records Releases For Feb. 2010
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Topic: New Eric Records Releases For Feb. 2010
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Subject: New Eric Records Releases For Feb. 2010
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 4:03pm
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Track listings posted on Amazon (with a Feb. 16th, 2010 release date):
Hard To Find 45s On CD, Volume 11 (Sugar Pop Classics) 1. My Baby Loves Lovin' - White Plains 2. Nice to Be with You - Gallery (rare) 3. Early in the Morning - Vanity Fare 4. Will You Be Staying After Sunday - The Peppermint Rainbow 5. Indian Lake - The Cowsills 6. Rhapsody in the Rain - Lou Christie (mono / uncensored version) 7. Shame, Shame - Magic Lanterns 8. Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep - Mac & Katie Kissoon 9. How Do You Do? - Mouth & MacNeal 10. Chick-A-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It) - Daddy Dewdrop (rare) 11. Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom (single version debut) 12. Girl Watcher - The O'Kaysions (mono) 13. 1900 Yesterday - Liz Damon's Orient Express (rare) 14. Sad Sweet Dreamer - Sweet Sensation (rare) 15. Stay Awhile - The Bells 16. Mr. Dieingly Sad - The Critters 17. Look What They've Done to My Song, Ma - The New Seekers (rare) 18. Sugar Baby Love - The Rubettes (rare) 19. Baby Take Me in Your Arms - Jefferson (rare) Hard To Find 45s On CD, Volume 12 (60s & 70s Pop Classics) 1. Game of Love - Wayne Fontana & The Mindbenders (stereo debut) 2. The Nitty Gritty - Shirley Ellis 3. Keep the Ball Rollin' - Jay & The Techniques 4. Apples, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie - Jay & The Techniques 5. Call Me - Chris Montez (stereo debut single version) 6. Come Saturday Morning - The Sandpipers 7. I Like Dreamin' - Kenny Nolan 8. Born a Woman - Sandy Posey (stereo debut single version) 9. Long Lonesome Highway - Michael Parks (rare) 10. Garden Party - Rick Nelson & The Stone Canyon Band 11. I've Found Someone of My Own - The Free Movement (rare) 12. Black Pearl - Sonny Charles & The Checkmates, Ltd. (rare stereo version) 13. Eres Tu (Touch the Wind) - Mocedades (rare) 14. Do You Wanna Make Love - Peter McCann 15. Baby It's You - Smith (rare single version) 16. One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack) - Coven (original soundtrack version) 17. Dancing in the Moonlight - King Harvest (best stereo version) 18. Toast and Marmalade for Tea - Tin Tin (mono / rare) 19. I Just Want to Be Your Everything - Andy Gibb ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
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Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 4:26pm
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A few questions after reading titles. Single mix of Early In The morning? Is Montego Bay mono? Single version of Come Saturday Morning? |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 4:52pm
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I know Bill Buster prefers stereo over mono when all the elements are available. My guess is all tracks are stereo unless mono is indicated (like the Lou Christie track). Bill also goes with the single 45 version whenever possible. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 5:16pm
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I have several CDs in the series but I have also sold several because they do not in fact have the 45 version. for instance:
Chick-A-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It) - Daddy Dewdrop (rare) That really isn't "rare" unless it's a mono version. Anyway, I'll probably get them. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 5:58pm
| Are there run times available? I'd be interested in the length of The Free Movement, Sweet Sensation, Mouth and MacNeal and Mac and Katie Kissoon. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 8:01pm
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From what I've heard of a "stereo sample" for Game Of Love, i certainly hope this cd version contains a much better mixed version of the song....not that the sample was mixed bad, but it definitely did not sound like anything near the single to me, and i'm fairly critical about new stereo mixes coming out today because of how they often do not sound like period stereo mixes from the 60s so they dont fit in when thrown on a cd of other 60s stereo mixes....aside from that, both cds do look like winners to me. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 9:30pm
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Has there ever been a stereo version of Magic Lantern's "Shame, Shame" that wasn't compressed to the point of blown eardrums? It sounds that way on both the original Atlantic Shame, Shame LP and the similarly-titled Collectables CD. The dedicated mono Atlantic single has its share of compression, but to nowhere near the extent of the stereo mix.
Indy, FWIW, my "Montego Bay" L&R 45 is stereo. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 10 January 2010 at 9:41pm
| Montego Bay is a stereo 45, wow. 1970, I was just guessing mono. Wonder if the promo is mono. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 6:43am
I don't remember if the promo was mono/stereo, but the commercial single was mono. Original label was MGM-distributed...they were inconsistent about stereo promos. I do have the song on an Eric reissue 45 in stereo, and it seems to be the single length (ie-fade ending instead of cold ending like on the LP). Never compared them closely enough to see if there are mix differences. |
Indy500 wrote:Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 7:46am
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My original 45 of "Montego Bay" is narrower stereo than the album version.
Andy |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 9:24am
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My "Montego Bay" commercial 45 is stereo as well; doesn't appear to be a reissue. Maybe there were both mono and stereo pressings?
In any event, getting this unique 45 version on CD is long, long overdue. I'll definitely be getting this CD. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 10:57am
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There are several Montego Bay promos up for bid on ebay from several countries and they are all Montego Bay/Try A Little Harder.
But I applaud Eric for using the single version and will also buy the CD. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 11:57am
Keep in mind that the last part of the 45's fade is nowhere to be found on the stereo LP mix, so it isn't a case of an early fadeout. Like Andy's copy, my 45 has a narrower stereo mix than the LP version; so much so that it was a number of years before I ever realized it actually was in stereo. I tried years ago to tack the 45's fade onto the ending of the LP version from CD, but the mix differences made the edit point much too obvious. I believe there were both stereo and mono commercial 45s available, although the stereo copies bore no "stereo" designation on the label. My stereo L&R/MGM 45 is styrene. We had a stock vinyl copy at my college station which I recall being mono. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 12:48pm
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I'm glad you cleared the air on this one. My L&R/MGM copy is mono. The mix is much bolder than the stereo versions that have appeared on CD collections. It'll be great to hear a better mix of Sandy Posey. The only other disc that I've heard from her was on Collectibles and the quality wasn't good. Plus it was an early fade.
Thanks to the folks at Eric for taking care of us diehard's that are still buying discs. ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 12:57pm
I hope the Andy Gibb track is the 45 version/length. As far as times listed for each track I believe we will never see that up on Amazon or even the Eric Records site. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 2:04pm
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My 45 of Montego Bay is mono. Can someone with a stereo pressing post the trail-out info please? I am not holding out hope to get the stereo single version on cd but it would be nice to get it in mono off a tape source and even better if it was stereo... ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 5:29pm
Here's a label scan of my stereo styrene http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/BobbyBloom-MontegoBaystockMonarchpr.jpg - Monarch pressing . The trail-out grooves are rather narrowly-spaced for a 45. Deadwax info: LR-157 LR-1080 , Monarch Records logo (MR in a circle), delta number 81282. There is also what appears to be tiny "1" with a not-very-well-drawn circle around it. The B-side, "Try A Little Harder," is also in stereo, with much wider stereo separation than the A-side. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 5:35pm
Just for grins, I dug out my (styrene) copy and lo and behold! it was in (quite narrow) stereo! It's been years since I played it, and apparently never listened to it with headphones (except when playing it on the air as a current, and that was on an AM). 1970 was a year with a lot of songs issued in very narrow stereo. "Games" by Redeye was another, as well as (at least the 2:54 promo edit) Mungo Jerry's "In The Summertime". I'm guessing at least part of the reason was better mono compatibility. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 6:03pm
Steve, I think part of the reason I'd assumed that my copy was mono was because the groove pattern didn't look like it was a stereo record, or at least not on the A-side. Maybe at the time, I'd gotten tired of having a perpetually-bent neck under the weight of those awful two-ton, liquid-filled earpad Koss headphones I had forty years ago. They made the mono World War II surplus headphones at the college station seem downright comfortable by comparison. :) |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 7:57pm
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My white label promo copy is also stereo. But unlike Yah Shure's, the top right of the label says Disc Jockey Record NOT FOR SALE. Music is credited to Unart Music Corp-Cheezeburger Music, Inc. (BMI). There is no MGM Records below the lion logo. Trail wax is identical.
GM |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 8:11pm
Aah, the old Koss Pro 4A's. I had a pair of those ear crushers too, as did probably 75% of other jocks I knew back in the 70s. Wearing them was somewhat akin to putting your head in a vise. I like my AKGs a whole lot more. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 8:53pm
It was the http://www.audiocircuit.com/index.php?c=KOS&m=ESP-6 - Koss ESP-6 electrostatic model, actually: black headphones with the little red LED peak indicator lights that glowed when you probably needed to turn them down. That was fine, as long as you were standing in front of a mirror and could see them glowing. The phones came with a transformer box to match to the speaker output, but I seem to remember more smoke coming out of it than anything else. :) Been using SONY MDR-7509s for the last decade and love 'em. |
Posted By: smvceo
Date Posted: 21 January 2010 at 6:00pm
All stereo copies of "Born a Woman" ran about 1:50, that is until the ERIC Records release comes out. The mono mix always ran 2:05. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 17 February 2010 at 3:25pm
| Can any one report on these? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 17 February 2010 at 4:16pm
| Indy, I pre-ordered Vols. 11 & 12 back on 1/22, and my current order status now says they will both be shipped out next Tuesday, 2/23, so no review possible just yet. The poster "Smvceo" is Tom Daly, the actual masterer of the discs for Eric, so he would certainly know sooner of those "Born A Woman"-type details before the discs were officially released. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 21 February 2010 at 4:21pm
| Indy, my friend/veteran industry broadcast engineer "Smokin' Tom Gary" has just received his Vols. 11 & 12. (Mine must still be at my PO Box.) Tom just e-mailed me, saying that Vol. 12's "Come Saturday Morning" is, once again, the stereo LP version, not the "original 45RPM version", as is again stated on both volumes. Tom e-mailed ERIC CEO Bill Buster. He admitted that he was aware of the 45/LP version differences for the song. Bill also wrote that, aside from a very few collectors, stereo is what sells, and stereo is what people want. In my opinion, that was definitely true 10-20 years ago. Buster's opinion runs completely contrary to what Collector's Choice's CEO Gordon Anderson has noted of late for his label's recent, top-selling mono 45 CD comps. Tom did compliment Bill on the stereo version of "Game Of Love", which Bill said took more than 50 hours of painstaking engineering work to perfect. (As of now, I have no other evaluations.) Bill also said that Eric needs a larger minimums # of CDs sold to justify continuing the whole endeavor in 2010, which I'm sure is true. Conclusion: If a little fibbing/puffery/unaccurate statements is required to sell more CDs, he will do it. To me, honest mistakes are one thing; flat-out lies are another. My only real beef here is that Bill "Pinocchio" Buster can obviously sleep at night by continuing to state that "all tracks are the original 45 RPM single versions" on his jewel case inserts, despite knowing full well that it may not be true. I could not. But this is the real world. Bill, going forward, why not just consider removing that one statement? I would then be satisfied. Just thought you guys should all know about this. I do thank Bill Buster for at least responding to Tom, and thanks to Tom as well for his quality detective work here. As always, good future CD buying decisions by us are based on good information. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 21 February 2010 at 8:13pm
That's certainly a disappointment. I probably would have bought this CD if it contained the mono single version of "Come Saturday Morning", but there isn't much else on this release that I'm interested or don't already own. I do like to support the Eric "Hard to Find" releases when I can, and am planning on purchasing the other CD next week ("Sugar Pop Classics"), primarily because it contains the correct 45 version of "Montego Bay". But I do agree that they should clearly label when something is a LP version, to the extent that they are aware. Thanks for the heads up regarding "Come Saturday Morning". I'm a bit surprised that they believe that stereo is the big selling point. If anything, I would think that previously unavailable 45 versions would be the most marketable aspect of these types of releases at this stage of the game. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 21 February 2010 at 10:22pm
Which is why I'll only be buying vol 11. First time on CD for the single version of Montego Bay. And granted it's the Beatles, but the first pressing of their mono set sold-out the day they hit the shelves. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 22 February 2010 at 8:41am
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To Indy500:
Although it sounds EXCELLENT, I would like to alert you that, to my ears, "Montego Bay" is a recreation of the 45 version, made possible by crossfading a 45 with the album mix near the end of the song. My pressing of the "Montego Bay" 45 was a different, narrower mix; the bulk of 'Vol. 11"'s version is the LP mix. Andy |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 February 2010 at 12:50pm
| Thanks for the heads up, Andrew. "Montego Bay" was on my list, too, but I will NOT be buying this Eric release. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 9:20pm
Yep, just received my CD today and listened to it. The giveaway is the prominent Caribbean drum (or whatever instrument that is) pans from the left to the right channel at about the 2:14 mark. I'm not sure why they didn't just swap the channels of the LP version so that instrument placement in the stereo field was closer to the 45 mix; the mix still wouldn't quite match but they could have avoided the jarring pan effect. In any event, a big disappointment. They probably couldn't locate a tape source for the 45 version, which is a bummer. But I'm sticking with my needledrop rather than using the stitched together version on this CD. On a positive note, "Girl Watcher" does have improved sound on this disc. They must have found a cleaner 45 to use. The best sounding version previously was on the Beg, Scream & Shout box set. Unfortunately, a thread on the BSN board recently indicated that an original member of the O'Kaysions has stated that he has a tape copy of the master and that the original master should exist in Universal's vaults. Too bad this came to light after this CD was already in production. |