bto bachman turner "you ain’t seen...
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Topic: bto bachman turner "you ain’t seen...
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: bto bachman turner "you ain’t seen...
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 10:13pm
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my commercial 45 issed as mercury 73622 states the run time as 3:29 but actually runs 3:31 and is a quick fade of the full length version....thanks john for the fade and pitch correction... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 March 2012 at 4:06pm
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Ed indicates that the pitch needed to be corrected on is re-created 45 version. I noticed that some CDs have faster speeds than others. Is this a mastering error or was there a speed difference between the 45 and LP? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 11 March 2012 at 5:59pm
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The single version is on Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "best
Of" CD. It matches my commercial 45. ------------- |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 April 2013 at 6:29pm
I too have suspected that the 45 speed of Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" is slightly faster than the LP speed. Can anyone who has a vinyl copy of both confirm for certain? |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 9:08pm
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I don't have the song on vinyl at all, so the best I can do is compare CDs.
LP length (3:53, plus or minus a second) I have five different analog transfers of the LP length. I prefer the version on Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975 (1993). The same analog transfer is used on Warner Special Products' 2-CD Rock Box (1994). JCI's Rockin' Seventies (1988) is a close second, and sounds just about as good as GR. Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 11 Heavy Hitters (1991) is mastered too loud and clips a lot, and may have some additional noise reduction or some other odd processing. It just sounds weird on this disc. JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994) sounds good, but fades a second or two before the others. The same analog transfer is used on:
I didn't explicitly compare the speeds of any of the above; I just chose to use Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975 (1993) in my library and left it at that. GR fades from 3:33 to 3:53. 45 length (3:31) The version on BTO's Greatest (1986) runs about 0.9% faster than Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975, runs 3:36, and fades from 3:15 to 3:36. This disc sounds quite nice, and is about as good as it's going to get for the 45 length. I don't know how well it corresponds to the actual 45 fade points, though. The same analog transfer is used on:
Silver Eagle/Capitol's 2-CD Rockin' Down The Block (1987) sounds pretty good, but not quite as good as the above. Rhino's Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999) runs about 0.8% slower than Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975, runs 3:26, fades from 3:11 to 3:26, and has a pretty severely boosted high end. Not good. I chose to use BTO's Greatest (1986) in my library. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 10:56am
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There's a copy of the 45, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdZKd8a1YQ |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 11:08am
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I just recreated the 45 version again, using BTO's
Greatest. I slowed it down by 1% and faded to 3:31 with the 45 in the video as a guide. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 03 March 2017 at 4:13pm
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Maybe it's just my ears, but on the CDs that I own that feature "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" or "Takin' Care of Business", the songs
seem to be lacking "something" and I can't put my finger on it.. these songs might be a victim of heavy noise reduction in the digital age.. recently I dubbed them from vinyl and thought OK THAT'S how I remember them sounding.. Is it just me? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 March 2017 at 5:58pm
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I recreated the short promo edit of "Takin' Care Of
Business" several years ago. When I was dubbing my promo 45, it seemed like the 45 jumped out at me. I tried to give the digital file a bit of a compression boost to semi-simulate the promo 45. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 5:40am
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To Bill & John:
Part of the reason those records had that special "something" can be attributed to the vinyl mastering engineers of the time. Many of them really brought the best out of the tape that they were handed to work with. For example, Gilbert Kong mastered a lot of Mercury LPs in that era - They were all excellent sounding, even if he wasn't given the first-generation master to work with. Andy |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 December 2019 at 4:25pm
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Just bumping this up. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 22 December 2019 at 4:36pm
| Thanks Ron.. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 5:12am
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At least one US pressing runs shorter than that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpcSjBz5qI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpcSjBz5qI It ends on "I been everywhere," then there's a couple beats after that, "buh buh..." |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 11:48am
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The 45 in the video runs 3:31 just like the actual time of
Ed's 45. Does this mean the video that Brian linked to is how the actual 45 sounds? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 4:33pm
There are two 45 videos linked in this thread. I don't know what the run times are, but they each end at different points in the song. There seem to be different pressings of the 45 with different fade points. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 5:40pm
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I had forgotten that I linked to the other video in 2017.
That's the length I have in my library. Not sure if the second 45 was an earlier or later pressing. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 November 2022 at 2:19am
Could be one done at the same time at a different record plant. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 28 November 2022 at 10:55pm
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My promo and stock Mercury 45s are both Columbia Terre Haute pressings, with the same deadwax on each. Mastering is by Capitol's Wally Traugott ("Wly"), although there's no "MASTERED BY CAPITOL" stamped in the deadwax.
3:29 listed and 3:29.35 actual time. Fade ends very abruptly. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 November 2022 at 8:20am
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John,
Does your promo or stock 45 match this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpcSjBz5qI Or, this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdZKd8a1YQ ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |