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Topic: "Carry On Wayward Son" -- Kansas
Posted By: sriv94
Subject: "Carry On Wayward Son" -- Kansas
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 11:00am
A million years ago, when the Sony multi-disc Soundtrack for a Century came out, I remember E-mailing Pat about the versions used to create some of the discs. On one of them is a version of Kansas' "Carry On Wayward Son." It's an edit, but according to Pat's E-mail to me Sony made at least one editing error in their attempt to create the 45 (it's listed as "neither the 45 or LP version" in the database).

Anybody know the error and whether the 45 can be extracted from the LP? From my recollection of the single being played on pop radio in 1977, I think the error(s) occur(s) toward the end, but I'm not positive.

Thanks as always.

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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 11:11am
I might be able to help you out with that one, Doug. I'm doing some editing for edtop40, and he has sent me both the LP version and a dub of the actual 45. I'll work on it and report back my findings shortly.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 11:56am
OK, to answer your question: No, the LP version cannot be used to create the 45 version. I was successful in matching all of the edits, but the 45 is not just edited but also remixed. The vocals on the LP have quite a bit of reverb, whereas the vocals on the 45 have far less reverb and a slight delay added to them. Also, there's some differences in the way the instruments are mixed, too.

I would be curious to know if the cd's with "neither" have the LP mix or the 45 mix.


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 1:16pm
Not sure about the mix (I'm not home right now), but thanks for the valient effort.

You were able to match the edits, though. If I sent you a copy of the edit, you could a) tell me how close the edits on the actual CD were to being right, and b) judge the mix.

Unless someone beats me to it, I'll get it to you sometime tonight.

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Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

OK, to answer your question: No, the LP version cannot be used to create the 45 version. I was successful in matching all of the edits, but the 45 is not just edited but also remixed. The vocals on the LP have quite a bit of reverb, whereas the vocals on the 45 have far less reverb and a slight delay added to them. Also, there's some differences in the way the instruments are mixed, too.

I would be curious to know if the cd's with "neither" have the LP mix or the 45 mix.


Which CD did you use as the LP version starting point? Because there was a remix of Carry On done in the 80s that showed up on the first CD issue of Best of Kansas. This remix added alot of reverb to the vocals.

The remaster of Best of Kansas utilized the original mix. I haven't listened to the 45 in ages, but I thought I remembered the 45 mix sounding the same as the original LP mix. Could be wrong though.


Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 2:35pm
Damn, a THIRD instance of Sony editing the the wrong mix to match the 45, and getting it wrong! Who the hell is running A&R at that stupid company, Bozo the Clown?!


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 8:16pm
Roscoe, this gives me hope that I might have been using a "remixed" version, because my source for editing was Best Of Kansas. Edtop40 supplied the source, so maybe he can say whether it was the original or remastered version. If I had to guess, I'd say it was an original pressing. That being the case, we might be able to re-create the 45 version by editing a non-remixed version.

Does anyone have two different mixes of this song on CD? Perhaps Pat made an error in the database for the listing of "Carry On" on Best Of Kansas. I don't have another source to compare, but based on Roscoe's description, the version I have does have a ton of reverb.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 8:20pm
UPDATE: I just pulled out my cassette copy of Best Of Kansas, and it does say "remixed for this album" in the liner notes next to "Carry On."

Pat, you should probably update your database with this new information.


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Does anyone have two different mixes of this song on CD? Perhaps Pat made an error in the database for the listing of "Carry On" on Best Of Kansas. I don't have another source to compare, but based on Roscoe's description, the version I have does have a ton of reverb.


I have three CDs that the LP version appears on--the Best Of CD (prolly the original pressing; I got it a long while ago), the Time-Life AM Heavy Hits compilation and the Realm Flashback CD. The question is do either of the other two CDs I have it on contain the original mix.

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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 8:58pm
Doug just sent me a copy of the version on Train Kept A Rollin', and this is the correct MIX. Actually, they only goofed in two places. They missed an edit from (1:30) to (1:36). That section of music should be edited out. Also, the 45 version fades four seconds sooner than the version on that disc.

Doug, if you check your copies on AM Heavy Hits and Flashback, and then compare that to the remixed version on Best Of, you'll notice the difference as soon as the first verse starts. There's tons more reverb on the vocals on Best Of.


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 9:13pm
So, if I understand you right, the 45 should run roughly (3:28)? (There are three 45s available on eBay with accompanying photo, but I can't read the running time.)

Good job, Aaron!

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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 9:18pm
That's exactly right, Doug. Played back on Ed's turntable, the song runs just a hair short of (3:28).


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 9:23pm
Thanks for the update. And thanks for the E-mail clarification on the fade. :)

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Doug
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 9:23pm
Glad I could help!


Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 December 2005 at 10:55pm
Back around 1988, I purchased my first copy of the Kansas Best of CD. When I replaced it about five years ago with the remastered version, I could swear "Carry on Wayward Son" sounded like a different mix compared to the version on my previous Best of copy. I'm glad to now know I wasn't imagining things!

So, if I understand correctly, the version of "Wayward Son" on the remastered Best of disc (Epic Associated/Legacy 65690) is the LP mix that originally appeared on vinyl LP copies?


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 December 2005 at 11:49am
That's what I gather, Todd. The one on the original version of that disc has a bunch of reverb added to the vocals, removes the vocal delay, and mixes the instruments differently.


Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 5:06pm
my commercial 45 issued as kirshner 4267 states a run time on the label as 3:26 but actually runs 3:27 and after the edit aaron did using the below original cd that i provided him, which btw was the original pressing of the cd and NOT the remastered version.....the 45 and his edit are identical.......and btw......where are the points of the song where the remix is most pronounced?


(S) (5:22) CBS Associated 39283 Best Of (remixed LP version)


is this the only place that the correct remix is located???




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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 5:21pm
VERY interesting discovery, Ed. Does this mean then that the CDs listed in the database as being the 45 version really aren't? Or are there perhaps two different 45 pressings... one containing an edit of the LP mix and the other an edit of the LP remix?

I hope I'm not about to regret having gotten rid of my original Kansas Best of CD pressing with the remixed LP version!


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 7:02pm
The 45 isn't available on CD--Aaron made a custom edit to match the 45. Only two of the CDs don't have the LP version (in either the original mix or the remix), and they're both the same CD (the separate The Train Kept A Rollin' set and the full Soundtrack For A Century box set).

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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 7:55pm
doug is right...the original pressing of the BEST OF cd contains the proper remix version which CAN be edit down to match the 45.....

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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 9:04pm
Sorry, guys. I had a mental lapse on this one... I completely forgot that a couple years ago I was able to edit the song as it appears on the Train Kept a Rollin' various artist 2-CD set to match the 45, just like Aaron did. As Aaron stated earlier in the thread, the correct 45 mix is on that disc set, but edited incorrectly. I seem to recall the database had it mistakenly listed as being the 45 version at one time, but I could be wrong.

OK, I can rest easy again over selling that first pressing of the Kansas Best of CD! ;-)


Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 April 2010 at 9:30am
aaron.....you had made the proper edit for me years ago......to my ears the cd edit you made sounds like the vinyl 45 version to my ears....can you please just confirm this....also.....what are the one or two obvious points of the remix versus lp version that you'll know if you have the correct version....also pat can you add the 45 run time data to the db....

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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 April 2010 at 9:44am
Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

I had a mental lapse on this one... I completely forgot

Hey, I come across old posts here ALL THE TIME that I don't even remember writing. I'll say, "Hmm, I didn't know that," then look at who posted it, and it was ME!


Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 April 2010 at 10:18am
i know what your talking about....it's called old age!!!

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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 April 2010 at 10:57am
okay...upon further review.....the way you can tell the remix from the non-remix is the vinyl 45 has screeching guitars at the 0:30 and 0:33 point of the song.....the version that aaron re-created is the proper remixed 45 version.....i have another cd which doesn't have the screeching guitars that i used as my point of reference....

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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 8:33pm
Mike Burke sent me an email last week suggesting that the correct 45 version of Carry On Wayward Son appears on a 2009 cd release titled OCC Rocks. Sure enough when I ordered this cd it does appear to have the correct 45 version with the screaming guitars at :30 and :33.   


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 8:02am
Nice find!


Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 7:26pm
Usually I don't post for findings strictly related to sound quality, but this is an exception.

Of the handful of CDs I have the song on, one that towers above the others in sound quality is Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991). Very nice dynamic range, realistic soundstage, good EQ. (Mastered by Steve Hoffman, and it sounds like he got great source tapes.)

Way, way below the Sandstone disc are two Time-Life discs, Sounds Of The Seventies - AM Heavy Hits (1994) and Guitar Rock - The Late '70s Take Two (1995). Both sound very similar, and both have a messed-up soundstage and some awful left/right phasing effects. It's almost as if this song were (E) - electronically reprocessed for stereo. It's really unlistenable on these two discs - push the "mono" button and listen to the warbly mess.

Even worse, if that's somehow possible, is the first pressing of The Best Of Kansas, (CBS Associated ZK 39283), which is drenched in reverb. I can't tell if it's remixed from scratch or just reverbed to death. Ugh.

The edited version on Sony's Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' sounds very nice, on par with the Reelin' disc. It seems to be an edited version of that nice, clean mix. A question - is this the right mix and the wrong edit of the 45, or is this the wrong mix of the true 45?


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

A question - is this the right mix and the wrong edit of the 45, or is this the wrong mix of the true 45?


The edit is wrong (although I believe the correct edit can be extracted from that track).

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Doug
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:50am
What I always understood is that the original
vinyl LP
version of "Carry On Wayward Son" will match
the 45.
However, and if i'm not mistaken, the version that shows up
on all of the CDs were remixed. That is why the 45 version
cannot be created from any CD with the LP version.

I took the easy way out and simply made a nice clean dub of
the 45.

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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 5:54am
Originally posted by Pat Downey Pat Downey wrote:

Mike Burke sent me an email last week suggesting that the correct 45 version of Carry On Wayward Son appears on a 2009 cd release titled OCC Rocks. Sure enough when I ordered this cd it does appear to have the correct 45 version with the screaming guitars at :30 and :33.   


I just got this one from iTunes. It is the correct 45 version.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:51am
It's probably good to revisit this thread, because it's not very clear when you go back and read it.

The 45 version of "Carry On..." is an edit of the LP version. It is not remixed. Initially, I thought the 45 was remixed, but it turns out the CD version I was using as my editing source ("Best Of") was remixed. So, the LP and 45 mixes are the same; it's just that the 45 is edited. Also, from what I can tell, only the original pressing of "Best Of" contains the remixed version. You could use any of the other CDs to create the 45 edit.

Ron, to answer you question, yes, the Train Kept A Rollin' CD contains the correct mix (the LP/45 mix), but they made an editing mistake and faded too late, as indicated earlier in the thread.


Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 12:36pm
Thank Aaron for confirming what I had not only found out on
my own a few years ago, but have always read.

I initially did the same thing you did, recreate the edit
from remixed CDs. When I read that the CDs were remixed,
instead of editing the vinyl LP version, I just got a very
clean 45 to ensure that I got the correct mix.

Sometimes it's not possible to find the 45, or one may not
have it, so that's when it's good to know these things.
Usually, the commercial 45 will tell the truth. I don't
always trust the 45 versions on iTunes that come from Sony.

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Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:43am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

It's probably good to revisit this thread, because it's not very clear when you go back and read it.

The 45 version of "Carry On..." is an edit of the LP version. It is not remixed. Initially, I thought the 45 was remixed, but it turns out the CD version I was using as my editing source ("Best Of") was remixed. So, the LP and 45 mixes are the same; it's just that the 45 is edited. Also, from what I can tell, only the original pressing of "Best Of" contains the remixed version. You could use any of the other CDs to create the 45 edit.

Ron, to answer you question, yes, the Train Kept A Rollin' CD contains the correct mix (the LP/45 mix), but they made an editing mistake and faded too late, as indicated earlier in the thread.


So what are the actual edit points? I only ever heard the LP vesrion on AOR around here. I know three AM Top 40s in this area that also stuck to the LP versions.


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(Richmond Hill, Ontario)


Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 8:34am
Going back and reviewing the readily available 45
version on OCC Rocks, it's my opinion that the
whole album (at least digitally through Rhapsody, iTunes
etc) is way over compressed.

Luckily, since the 45 version is available on Train
Kept A Rollin
, and all you need to do is the 6
second edit at 1:30 and fade earlier (thanks to Aaron's
guide), it sounds much better that on the OCC cd.


Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 18 July 2015 at 6:11am
A note: The original LP version and the original 45
version and the remastered Best Of Kansas are original
mixes. The Best Of Kansas was remixed on the DBX Digital
system in Nashville, Tennessee. The current remastered
CD of Best Of Kansas reverted to original mixes, freshly
transferred from the original mixdown tapes.

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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 24 October 2015 at 12:46pm
Five years later, I'm revisiting "Carry On Wayward Son".

I still stand by my recommendation that Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991) sounds great. Nice EQ, nice dynamic range, and a little bit of pleasing hiss on the fade. The same analog transfer is used for Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s Vol. 1 (2001; absolute polarity inverted, which is insignificant) My hunch is that both of these are based on the mastering for the fixed (non-reverb-remixed) Best Of. (I'll be happy to check if someone could send me the Best Of version.)

The version on Sony's 2-CD Rock Train Kept A Rollin' (1999) sounds great, also with nice EQ, and nice dynamic range. There's no hiss on the fade because this edit was recreated digitally from the LP version. It's close to the 45 edit, and can easily be edited down to form the true 45 edit. Using this disc as the starting point, here are editing instructions to recreate the true 45:

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 1:30.0 of 45 edit and version on Train
Ends on a snare/crash cymbal

Remove the 12 beats from 1:30.0 to 1:35.7 of the version on Train

Segment 2
Extends from 1:30.0 to 3:27.7 of 45 edit
Extends from 1:35.7 to 3:33.4 of version on Train

Fade
Extends from 3:14.9 to 3:27.7 of 45 edit
Extends from 3:20.6 to 3:33.4 of version on Train

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Posted By: ItsLennerd
Date Posted: 14 June 2023 at 6:27pm
Bumping an old forum years later to bring this to your
guys' attention. I've noticed for years Clear
Channel/iHeartMedia affiliated radio station seem to use a
custom edit of this song that's based on the single
version. It's has the same edits but doesn't fade, but
instead edits out the first guitar solo and jumps straight
to the second guitar solo during the ending part of the
song.


Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 16 June 2023 at 4:01am
I'll plead guilty to making the original version of that edit for CC/iHeart. I'd get complaints about the single version, as the fade out sounded wrong to folks who grew up listening to FM Rock.
It's mostly the single edits until the end, where the cold ending was restored (although that's shorter too). Complaints stopped. Same thing was done for single versions of Night Moves by Bob
Seger and Miracles by Jefferson Starship. The standard at the time was 256 MP2. A few years ago most of my edits were redone by an excellent editor who re-created them lossless for iHeart. Some
edits that I made were made under protest, as I didn't think the 3:20 version of Nights in White Satin should EVER be played again. But there was some regional VP that wanted those, but he
wasn't around very long. The funniest song in the library was American Pie by Don McLean, where there was a note on the file that said "Only Long version available, to request an edit contact
CEO Randy Michaels and explain WHY". That NEVER happened!


Posted By: ItsLennerd
Date Posted: 16 June 2023 at 10:04am
That's an insane story behind that custom edit. I like
the edit that you made for this song as it's based on the
single edit as well as being largely faithful to the LP
version.

I only knew about that version cause one rock station in
particular that used to be here in St. Louis and also
KLOU 103.3 plays that version regularly. Both of them are
CC/iHeartMedia affiliated stations.

I also didn't know that there were custom edits done for
Miracles and Night Moves. But hey, I guess this is why
this site exists. To dig up new facts about some of our
favorite songs.

I also wondered why DJ's were so reluctant on playing an
edited version of American Pie by Don McLean, especially
the aforementioned KLOU since they're seemingly
conservative for the most part when it comes to not
playing long songs. I guess it would be right back to
square one with complaints from listeners. :)


Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 November 2023 at 7:40pm
Sorry to bump this one again, but something may be amiss. In my file of the 45, the edit at approximately
(2:30) has a little organ bleedover from the LP version. But the 45 version on AnotherProf's YouTube page
has no organ bleedover--it's a straight edit from guitar to guitar. And a playing of another 45 on YouTube
also doesn't have the organ.

So either I did a lousy job of trying to edit the 45, or I grabbed the wrong file from somewhere. Can
someone double check their 45?



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Doug
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 November 2023 at 8:29pm
Great catch, Doug!

I did my 45 recreation using Sony's 2-CD Rock The Train Kept A Rollin' (1999) as the source. To my ears, it sounded like Sony attempted to recreate the 45 but missed one edit at 1:30. Thanks to your keen ears, we now see that they also botched the edit at 2:30 in the 45 (about 2:35 on Rock).

Too bad, because the sound quality on Rock was stellar.

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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 November 2023 at 8:47pm
While we’re at it, do the three CDs that have the 45 version actually have
the 45 version, or is there organ bleedover there too?

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Doug
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 November 2023 at 9:58pm
Doug, glad you DID bump this, as my version too has that organ at 2:30, so it
is an incorrect edit. I found the correct bit later in the LP version, and I suspect
my incorrect version also took the guitar solo instrumental bit that preceded
the incorrect edit from the wrong point in the song (i detected a different drum
roll at one point).

My version, I believe, unless I have it mis-sourced, comes from a series of CDs
a group of us did a while back called "Rare 45s on CD".

So, we'll need someone to provide a proper edit or create one, using one of
those good sources!


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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 04 November 2023 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

So, we'll need someone to provide a proper edit or create one, using one of those good
sources!


I made an attempt at it. I've given it to a special pair of ears to evaluate. If acceptable, he'll share
with the class.

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Doug
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 05 November 2023 at 4:35pm
Got fooled by one editing error at the very end, so the file I had made was not kosher. I've sent
my revised file to said special pair of ears, and he'll post the findings.

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Doug
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 05 November 2023 at 9:00pm
I'm honored that Doug lumps me into the "special ears" category! :)

I have a few things to attend to for the next few days. Once I clear off my desk, I'll pick apart Doug's file and post my findings here on the board.

Stay tuned.

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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 06 November 2023 at 3:50pm
I can see how someone at Sony goofed this up. The edits work great, but they're not in places you'd expect.

Doug did a terrific job reverse-engineering this track; this is not a simple editing job. I myself would have missed the last edit, which falls inside the fade.

Doug worked his magic from left-to-right in the file, and I'll post his instructions below. They should be equivalent to what I have here. We're editing the LP version using the timings from Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (it was pointless to count beats for this song):

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00 to 0:27.9 of the LP version and the 45 edit.

Delete 0:27.9 to 0:54.4 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Extends from 0:54.4 to 1:56.9 of the LP version.
Extends from 0:27.9 to 1:30.4 of the 45 edit.

Delete 1:56.9 to 2:02.6 of the LP version.

Segment 3
Extends from 2:02.6 to 2:55.1 of the LP version.
Extends from 1:30.4 to 2:22.9 of the 45 edit.

Delete 2:55.1 to 3:17.6 of the LP version.

Segment 4
Extends from 3:17.6 to 3:37.4 of the LP version.
Extensd from 2:22.9 to 2:42.8 of the 45 edit.

Delete 3:37.4 to 3:43.1 of the LP version.

Segment 5
Extends from 3:43.1 to 4:22.3 of the LP version.
Extends from 2:42.8 to 3:21.9 of the 45 edit.

Delete 4:22.3 to 4:50.7 of the LP version.

Segment 6
Extends from 4:50.7 to 4:56.6 of the LP version.
Extends from 3:21.9 to 3:27.8 of the 45 edit.

Fade
Extends from about 4:18 to 4:28.1 of the LP version.
Extends from about 3:18 to 3:27.8 of the 45 edit.
Note that the last edit is inside the fade.

Your mixdown should run 3:27.8, with edits at 0:27.9, 1:30.4, 2:22.9, 2:42.8, and 3:21.9, and a 10-second fade from about 3:18 to 3:27.8.

Here are Doug's instructions, which should be completely equivalent to the above, but working left-to-right in the file. Times given are from what you'll have left:

Edit 1: 0:27.934 to 0:54.404
Edit 2: 1:30.512 to 1:36.212
Edit 3: 2:22.999 to 2:45.479
Edit 4: 2:42:857 to 2:48.557
Edit 5: 3:21.891 to 3:50.301
Edit 6: Cut out everything from 3:27.797 onward
Start fade somewhere around (3:18)

Happy editing!

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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 November 2023 at 8:19am
Thank you, Ron. I humbly accept the compliment.

Would still like to know the answer to the query I posted earlier:

Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

While we’re at it, do the three CDs that have the 45 version actually have the 45 version, or is there
organ bleedover there too?




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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 07 November 2023 at 11:04am
Of the 69 CDs in the database that include the song, here are the four that have the 45 version:

Rolling Stone Presents The Greatest Hits Of Classic Rock (Box Set) - Compass Productions 46198 (released 2008) - produced by Rhino Custom Products
OCC Rocks - OCC Records 759114 (released 2009)
Classic Arena Rock - Compass Productions 52385 (released 2010) - produced by Sony Music Entertainment
Rolling Stone - Arena Rock - Mood Media Entertainment 58706 (released 2012) - produced by Sony Music Entertainment

If any of you are willing to buy one of these and post the results, the 2008 set might be worth it. That seems to be the first instance of the 45 version on CD.

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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 November 2023 at 5:28pm
OCC Rocks is on Qobuz, so you could stream it

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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 07 November 2023 at 6:45pm
Thanks to John, I'm sorry to report that OCC Rocks doesn't sound very good.

It's mastered way too loud, with a really muffled EQ that makes everything in the mix sound compressed and boxy. Perhaps the actual 45 master tape sounds like this, which may be why it wasn't issued on CD until 2008? Regardless, it's a very stark contrast with the wide-open sound of Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5.

In addition, the left and right channels of OCC Rocks are out of synch by one sample. (Not so on Reelin'.)

Plus, the tail of the fade on OCC Rocks ends two beats earlier than the homemade edit.

I'm sticking with the homemade edit for my library.

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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 07 November 2023 at 7:30pm
I listened to the OOC Rocks version as well, and also don't like it for the
reasons stated. The 45 is on AnotherProf's YouTube and does not sound like
that. I'll also stick with the recent homemade edit.

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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 November 2023 at 1:39pm
Although to answer my own question, they at least got the edit right without the organ bleedover.

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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 November 2023 at 9:54am
I think the reason I initially turned to OCC Rocks years
ago was for the Kansas 45 version and the Blue Oyster Cult
45 version. This was a year after I had discovered this
forum and hadn't really learned how to create 45 versions
very well. So, I took what I could find on CD already.

Blue Oyster Cult is also brickwalled.

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