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Topic: donna summer "love to love you baby"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: donna summer "love to love you baby"
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 5:05pm
does anyone know if any of the cds with the song "love to love you baby" in it's 45 version contains the intro breath (sigh) or do they all start with the song....the cd "gold" starts with the song immediately, while the 45 issued as oasis 401 contains a breath (sigh) at the beginning.....

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Posted By: Paul Esch
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 5:16pm
The version on Sounds Of The Seventies - 1976 (Time-Life
SOD-04), from 1989, has the intro breath.


Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 8:24pm
The Time-Life cd "Ultimate Seventies - 1976" has the breath on the introduction.

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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 8:54pm
Just as an aside (not to hijack this thread), aren't the Ultimate Seventies volumes pretty much repackagings of the Sounds of the Seventies initial 1970-1979 volumes? Much like Superhits begat AM Gold, although they added more volumes with AM Gold.

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Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 1:23am
There is an AA side and a BB side of the second commercial pressing. Both were played on radio in 1976, but my local radio played the BB side, so I always thought of it as the single version, which is actually on the original album, but not on any CD as a single. Besides, to me, the BB side sounds like a hit single, not the AA side.


Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 8:18am
Grant:

Do you have the "BB side" you're referring to on a commercial CD release? I'm interested to know which version that is.

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Doug:

Yes, the Time-Life Ultimate Seventies volumes are straight repackagings of the initial Sounds of the Seventies 1970-1979 volumes.


Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

Grant:

Do you have the "BB side" you're referring to on a commercial CD release? I'm interested to know which version that is.

It's tagged on the end of the LP version and starts at 13:03, except that they added the breath found at the very beginning of the LP version, and faded it a tad early, ending at about 16:32. The BB version does not appear on any compilation CD on it's own, and can only be found on the Donna Summer "Love To Love You Baby" LP and CD. If you have a computer DAW, you can easily recreate the BB side.


Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 29 December 2005 at 8:23pm
what is a computer DAW?

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Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 29 December 2005 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by edtop40 edtop40 wrote:

what is a computer DAW?


A Digital Audio Workstation. A decent wav file editing software will do the trick, such as Adobe Audition.


Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

Originally posted by edtop40 edtop40 wrote:

what is a computer DAW?


A Digital Audio Workstation. A decent wav file editing software will do the trick, such as Adobe Audition.
   Adobe Audition IS a DAW! It's not just an "editor".


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:08am
Originally posted by Grant Grant wrote:

...my local radio played the BB side, so I always thought of it as the single version...

Most likely, the reason your station played the BB side is because it's identical to the "reserviced" promo 45, which has an actual run time of 3:24.

Also, there's good news for the "not the DJ 45 edit" CDs in the database. Actually, those CDs ARE the DJ 45 edit, but they are the version from the FIRST issued promo 45s. This version has a completely different vocal take on the intro.


Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 6:37am
Aaron, does this mean the 3:21 version (on such CD's like   Sound Of The Seventies - 1976), missing the overdubs, is actually the original DJ 45 edit?

Bill sent me his mono DJ 45 to listen to and I much prefer the second issue. I ordered a stereo/mono 45 last week, hoping it's the same as the reserviced DJ edit, only in stereo.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:46am
Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Aaron, does this mean the 3:21 version (on such CD's like   Sound Of The Seventies - 1976), missing the overdubs, is actually the original DJ 45 edit?

Yes, that's correct. And while I don't have the commercial 45 to compare, based on the above information, the B-side of the commercial 45 is the same as the 2nd promo 45 issue.


Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 1:36am
I just wanted to make sure this didn't get buried with all the loads of new posts. (Nice work, Jim!) I'm sure Pat will want to update the database info to get rid of the "neither" comments.


Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 11:15am
After hearing the 2nd DJ edit from this in mono courtesy of Bill Cahill, decided to order the stock 45. (401-B-RE1), Side BB has the 2nd DJ edit in stereo. Listed time is 3:27, actual is 3:24. I MUCH prefer this version. It has more instrumentation and doesn't sound so 'dry' as the first DJ edit.


Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 1:29pm
Even side BB of the U.S. Oasis 45 has the breath on the intro.

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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

After hearing the 2nd DJ edit from this in mono courtesy of Bill Cahill, decided to order the stock 45. (401-B-RE1), Side BB has the 2nd DJ edit in stereo.

It's in stereo on the DJ 45, too, on the flip side. Bill just must have dubbed the mono side for you.


Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 April 2011 at 4:31pm
the db states the vinyl 45 runs 4:57 but mine runs 4:53, although it states the run time on the label as 4:57....can someone else verify the run time on their vinyl 45 so we can have the db corrected....

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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 April 2011 at 4:42pm
i'm reviewing donna summer songs and have them all now in 45 version...a tough collection....thanks to todd, aaron and john!!!....anyway...the last song i did was "love to love you baby" and the vinyl 45 issued as oasis 401 contains the below

side AA "love to love you baby" (listed 4:57; 4:53 actual)
side BB "love to love you baby" (listed 3:27; 3:24 actual)

the db states there are promo dj edits that run 3:21 and 3:27.....can someone confirm these true run times....and not really the same as the b side of the commercial vinyl 45 running 3:24...thx to aaron for the 3:24 version

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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 April 2011 at 10:05pm
As indicated above, there are two separate dj 45s, and they have
different mixes. The one with a run time of 3:24 matches the
commercial 45's BB side.

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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 September 2016 at 11:58am
I'm a little confused, and I'd like to sort the releases out in my head before I go much farther.

Please correct any of the following statements if I'm mistaken:
  1. The first 45 release on Oasis 401 was a mono/stereo promo, with a printed time of 3:22 on both sides, and an actual run time of 3:21.
  2. This 3:22 version of the 45 was released only as a promo, not commercially.
  3. The 3:21 version on the 2-CD Anthology (and a few others) matches the printed 3:22 version on the first promo 45 release.
  4. This printed 3:22 version was not a hit, prompting Oasis to try again.
  5. Oasis released a second 45, with the same catalog number of Oasis 401, with an "RE-1" in the matrix number.
  6. Side AA of this RE-1 45 has a printed time of 4:57, and an actual time of 4:53.
  7. The 4:53 version on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 4 1976 (and a few others) matches the side AA 4:57 version on the RE-1 45.
  8. Side BB of the RE-1 45 has a printed time of 3:27, and an actual time of 3:24.
  9. The 3:23 version on Silver Eagle's Dancin' The Night Away matches the side BB 3:27 version on the RE-1 45.
  10. The RE-1 45s were released as promos (mono on both sides) and commercially (stereo on both sides).
Is all of the above correct?

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Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 01 September 2016 at 3:08pm
The only thing I can think of to add to this is
somewhat extraneous.

The original 45 release wasn't promo only. The stock
copy had a b-side "Need-A-Man Blues"


Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 September 2016 at 4:51am
The LP version runs 16:47. Probably interesting in a club setting, but way too long for normal listening.

The 45 was released twice, both on Oasis 401.

First (non-hit) release

The first (non-hit) release featured a relatively stripped-down (no pun intended) mix, with a printed time of 3:22 and an actual time of 3:21. This version is actually the first 3:21 of the album version, faded early. The commercial 45 featured the song "Need-A-Man Blues" on the B-side. (Thanks, Chuck!) The promo 45 featured stereo/mono versions of the 3:22 version.

This non-hit first 45 version is on Casablanca's 2-CD Donna Summer Anthology (1993), with a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Mercury's Donna Summer Greatest Hits (1998). There's a different analog transfer on UTV's 2-CD Donna Summer Journey The Very Best Of (2003). All three of these sound fine, with decent source tapes, nice dynamic range, a good EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. All three start with a breath.

I believe that this first (non-hit) 45 version is also on Casablanca's Endless Summer, Razor & Tie's The Complete Donna Summer, Mercury's Best Of 20th Century Masters The Millennium Collection, and Mercury's Icon, but I don't have any of those and can't comment on the sound.

The first release of the 45 tanked, so Oasis tried again.

Second (hit) release

The original mix on the first 45 sounds like a demo compared to the second 45. This sounds much more like a hit, with a much busier mix, a little reverb, and that hard-to-describe mid-'70s disco sheen, much like "If I Can't Have You". And what a hit it was, peaking at US#2 in February 1976.

The second (hit) release featured "RE-1" prominently written in the matrix number, printed on the label right below the catalog number of Oasis 401. The first (non-hit) release featured no such "RE-1".

Side AA of the second (hit) 45 has a printed time of 4:57, and an actual time of 4:53. I don't think the side AA version can be cobbled together from bits of the LP version, but I haven't checked.

The side AA 4:57 (hit) version is on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 4 1976 (1989), with the same analog transfer being used for Warner Special Products' 2-CD Disco Collection (1993). Both sound fine, with decent source tapes, nice dynamic range, a good EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. Both start with a breath.

I believe that the side AA 4:57 (hit) version is also on Hip-O/Mercury's Gold (minus the opening breath), and a few other Time-Life collections.

Side BB of the second (hit) 45 has a printed time of 3:27, and an actual time of 3:24. Side BB has basically the same song structure as the first (non-hit) release of the song, but with a much more authoritative mix. It's actually the last 3:48-or-so of the LP version, with the opening breath tacked on and faded early. The non-hit original mix sounds downright anemic compared to this one.

The side BB 3:27 version is on Silver Eagle/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Dancin' The Night Away (1988), but it sounds terrible here, with seemingly high-generation source tapes and no high end at all. It, too, starts with a breath. Any needledrop should sound better than what's on Dancin'.

The second (hit) RE-1 45s were released as promos (mono on both sides) and commercially (stereo on both sides).

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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 06 September 2016 at 8:49pm
Thanks for the detailed rundown of this 45. Maybe one
day Universal will actually release the BB version in
digital form, but i'm not holding my breath.

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