The Fifth Dimension
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Topic: The Fifth Dimension
Posted By: Indy500
Subject: The Fifth Dimension
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 4:46pm
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Except for "Up, Up and Away," there are no entries in the database for mono recordings on domestic CDs.
1) At what point did their singles begin to be released in stereo? 2) Has anyone found additional mono versions on any imports? |
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 6:15pm
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I don't have all of their singles, by any means, but the vast majority of the 5D's commercial 45s were mono. Here's what I do have, and others can fill in the missing info:
Soul City commercial 45s: up through 776 "Workin' On A Groovy Thing" - MONO 779 - "Wedding Bell Blues" - MONO 780 - Blowing Away - STEREO (781 - "The Girls' Song" - don't have) Bell commercial 45s: 860 - Medley: "A Change Is Gonna Come" & "People Got To Be Free" / "The Declaration" - MONO 880 - "Puppet Man" - MONO 895 - "Save The Country" - MONO (913 - "On The Beach" - don't have) 940 - "One Less Bell To Answer" - MONO 965 - "Love's Lines, Angles And Rhymes" - MONO 999 - "Light Sings" - MONO (45134 - "Never My Love" - don't have) (45170 - "Together Let's Find Love" - don't have) 45185 - "(Last Night) I Didn't Get To Sleep At All" - MONO 45261 - "If I Could Reach You" - MONO I only have promo copies of the Bell/Arista/ABC 45s after those. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 6:29pm
| Wow, this band could really use a proper singles collection from Collector's Choice or someone. Thanks so much for the info. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 7:18am
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Some of their Soul City promo copies were stereo:
Sweet Blindness Wedding Bell Blues Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In (long version stereo, short version mono) Maybe some made it to commercial copies? Most of the Bell promo singles were mono/stereo (Never My Love was mono long/short). |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 3:03pm
| There was a discussion either here or on another board that ALL Bell commercial singles were mono for some reason. I think one person found ONE stereo Bell 45 that was a commercial release, and I think it was from like 1974. Was it "Nights the Lights Went Out in Georgia"? I'm thinking someone had a rare stereo copy of that. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 6:12pm
I wonder how many of those were fold-downs? Certainly "Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree" was a dedicated mono mix, as the hooky keyboard line in the intro is much more prominent in the mix on the mono 45 than the stereo version. I don't think I have ever heard any of the Fifth Dimension Bell hits in mono...any notable mix differences? |
Brian W. wrote:Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 11:12am
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It was "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" on Bell which had one pressing run which used the Stereo side promo stamper. I once owned that 45. It was in very chewed up condition. My present replacement in NM condition is Mono. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 29 November 2015 at 1:52pm
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Hey everyone,
It's been almost 5 years since this post....anyone know if any of the Fifth Dimension singles have been made available in mono yet? If not, can anyone shed light if there are mix differences between mono and stereo or are the mono versions just fold downs? Thanks. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 04 December 2015 at 10:54pm
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Up-Up And Away was given a stereo promo release on Soul
City 757 (B side is album mini-cuts, not the stock and mono promo B side release). ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 05 December 2015 at 1:15am
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Tom is correct, as to an unusual "two, sequentially-numbered promo 45s
released" situation, with regard to "Up-Up And Away". My 1967 promo 45 is on Soul City 756 (as is my stock 45), is in mono, has "Which Way To Nowhere" on the flip, has a listed time of (2:40), an actual time of (2:39), with handwritten hit side deadwax of "SCR 756-A". But I really don't think that any of these "Up-Up And Away" promo 45 particulars, abnormal as they are, do much at all to help to answer the question Fetta just asked here: Are the mono 45s of the 5th D hits fold downs of the stereo, dedicated mono mixes, or a combo of both? I've asked that same question to myself, about numerous songs. My experience has been that, after guys like Mark Mathews or Aaron work on a CD project, then (and only then) do they go to the bother to make an accurate determination about that. I'll bet Aaron can answer it, for any and all songs from the various Dunhill singles CD comps he's submitted so far. Because it was his responsibility to provide the 100% correct stock 45 version, be it mono or stereo. To do that, he likely placed the various, mono & stereo versions "under the microscope", then did a careful A/B comparison, analyzed the results on a song-by-song basis, and went forward mastering the audio from what he found to be the case. Bottom line? Unless someone ever hires a guy like Aaron to do a not- even-remotely-yet-on-the-radar 5th D original singles CD, how likely is it that he would go to *all* the bother to track down clean copies of all the group's 45s and LPs, and then give them "the Dunhill fine tooth comb audio analysis treatment?" Just for the fun of it, no less! Can you say slim and none? For info that would be nice-to-know? It's way too time consuming. And it might not even be an area of particular interest to him. So Jeff, sure, I'd love to know the answer to your question as much as you. But am I surprised we've gotten none? Not at all. Such research is very time consuming. Heck, I'm already beyond giddy at how much great stuff I learn here on the forum all the time for free! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 December 2015 at 10:47am
That perfectly sums up why I hadn't chimed in earlier, Jim. It's one thing to compare one or two 45s, but the mere thought of doing so for all the mono 5th Dimension 45s I have made my ears glaze over, so to speak. Having said that, there is at least one 5D hit that definitely has a dedicated mono mix: "Go Where You Wanna Go." The first time I heard the song in stereo several years after buying the Soul City 45, two things about it jumped out: the vocals were far more upfront and the bass and percussion were far more subdued than on the 45. But the 45 has its own major issue: while the prominence of the driving beat really makes the mono mix cook, it also manages to overpower the vocals. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 06 December 2015 at 7:00pm
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Thanks Yah Shure for covering off on the one 45 you knew
about. Another one to search out or hope for a release at some point. Great to get helpful feedback as always. Thanks for the response. |
Posted By: t horton
Date Posted: 27 August 2016 at 2:07am
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 27 August 2016 at 2:36pm
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Over the course of the last year I did have a chance to
do some of the detailed analysis Jim describes above for just a few of their hits. Not many yet, but it's a start. I carefully synchronized the 45 dubs with folded down stereo mixes. One thing to keep in mind is that sometimes a mix sounds different if additional EQ or compression was applied to the single. That being said, I can certify that these songs are indeed fold downs: Aquarius/Let The Sunshine Wedding Bell Blues Love's Lines, Angles & Rhymes (fold-down+edit) Go Where You Wanna Go** **Yah Shure: when i first a/b this one, I too thought it was a dedicated mix. But this was a case where the 45 was heavily compressed pushing the vocals a little farther back in the mix. I did one more song that wasn't a top 40 hit but a great song, that was "Ashes To Ashes." With Jim's help I found that 45 has a completely different vocal take than the stereo LP. I'll report again when I have more info on other singles. MM |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 05 November 2016 at 1:07pm
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https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Soul-City-Singles-1966-1975/ dp/B01M65ADE0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1476986985 &sr=1-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=10e634-20&linkId=df44ff96456ec2e2e1 00c964cb8e5a71
The Complete Soul City/Bell Singles 1966-1975 (3 CD Set) Looks like I'll get my wish for Christmas. Mono heaven. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 13 November 2016 at 8:31pm
I know that one, and have it from SoulSeel. Written by one of the 70s best writer-producer teams, Lambert & Potter. ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 12 April 2017 at 4:13am
all of the songs on The Complete Soul City/Bell Singles 1966-1975 are in mono, which is great. But I thought the original 45 versions of Blowing Away and Sweet Blindness were stereo. Does anyone know where the mono versions of these songs came from for this compilation? Are these from the dj promos? |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 12 April 2017 at 4:50am
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This may have been covered previously but the mono versions that I own of Sweet Blindness and Blowing Away sure sound like fold downs. My reference
copies are the DJ mono/stereo of Sweet Blindness, and an original stock copy of Blowing Away (stereo) which I can compare to the Bell re-issue that was mono. Of course, Bell may have just done a fold down of their own for their re-issue series instead of using DJ 45 mono masters, I don't know. But JL's question still remains open, for the CD were the DJ mono copies used for reference as at least some stock copies were stereo? |