Higher and Higher - Jackie Wilson
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Topic: Higher and Higher - Jackie Wilson
Posted By: Fetta
Subject: Higher and Higher - Jackie Wilson
Date Posted: 22 March 2011 at 8:42pm
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I just noticed something very interesting about "Higher and Higher" by Jackie Wilson. I have this on 3 different CD's... Very Best Of Jackie Wilson (Rhino), Time Life: Classic Rock 1967 and The Brunswick Years, Vol. 1.
On all of these CD's Jackie is singing coming out of the instrumental break at around the 1:53 mark in the song..... However, this is not the case on the original 45. See below you tube link for the original 45 version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvB3xKsiyvA&feature=related Has anyone else noticed this? -Jeff |
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 23 March 2011 at 11:06pm
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Another mono single mix i'll have to find! ------------- |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 24 March 2011 at 4:45am
| Is this a mono vs. stereo situation? The reason that I ask is because according to the database, the Time Life Classic Rock appearance of "Higher and Higher" is mono and that too has the vocal coming out of the instrumental break? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 11:08pm
| You mean where he sings "ooooh ooh ooh ooh" at the tail end of the instrumental break, Fetta, right before he launches into "I'm so glad"? |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 09 April 2011 at 4:49am
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yes, that's the spot, Brian. assuming that YouTube video captures the sound
from an original 45 then we indeed have yet another mono 45 mix to track down. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 April 2011 at 12:22pm
| Well, Pat now lists one "45 version" for this song, though he lists it as "E" instead of "M." But sometimes "E" just means mono that's not dead-center. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 3:36pm
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The 45 in the video is a gold label reissue on Brunswick however I believe it used the original mono mix (I no longer have my gold label reissue to compare to my promo 45). ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 29 July 2020 at 4:11pm
| Database still shows no mono 45 versions on CD. Has anybody found it on an import CD? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 August 2020 at 7:16pm
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I do not know of a mono version on CD anywhere. And the
mono version on 45 RPM single is not easy to find. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 August 2020 at 8:18pm
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Dance Sixties (JCI) is what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the electronically channeled stereo version on that CD. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: smallworld
Date Posted: 05 August 2020 at 8:52am
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The version on this compilation has no "ooooooh" towards the tail end of the instrumental break, before Jackie launches into "I'm so glad...". I presume it's the 45 version.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Spirit-Of-The-60s-1969-Still-Swinging/master/1250258 - The Spirit Of The 60s: 1969 Still Swinging |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 09 April 2022 at 8:48pm
Clever thinking Aaron! It sounds great. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 10 April 2022 at 12:52pm
Hmmm, I'm still scratching my head, trying to understand what that means. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 10 April 2022 at 12:53pm
I have this set. It is a UK release. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 10 April 2022 at 2:23pm
I think Aaron meant that summing the Left and Right channels of the re-channeled stereo mix found on JCI's Dance Sixties CD will result in the mono mix. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 29 April 2022 at 8:00pm
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It doesn't. For the mono 45, you need a Brunswick mono 45,
which sounds so much better. I own that 45. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 April 2022 at 10:05pm
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I might not have summed the channels 50/50, but I was able to extract a nice sounding mono version using that CD. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 3:03pm
If something is fake stereo (created back in the day, not the more recent DES), it usually is just mono with a sort of "spread" to it, and sometimes it's possible to create mono from this either by folding the channels, or using only one channel, or running it through software that separates out only the slight differences between the right and left channels and keeps everything that's the same. |
Posted By: Bounder's Bay
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 11:52am
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So, is it in fact "electronically
rechanneled" i.e. "fake" stereo, or simply the mono mix indifferently transferred/mastered in stereo i.e. with drift/imbalance between channels due to a fulltrack machine not being used, and just left as is, the engineer electing neither to sum/fold nor to pick one channel and discard the other? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 1:14pm
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There's a slight EQ difference between the L/R channels, and it gets "swishy" when summed to mono, so something is slightly out of phase. I can say for sure I took one of the channels only when I created my mono version. This actually sounds more like an improper transfer of the tape on a stereo machine rather than something that has been intentionally doctored into fake stereo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 May 2022 at 1:42pm
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Just documenting some mastering notes for future reference:
Mono 45 version There is no singing over the end of the horn solo, from 1:52 to 1:55. I have it on JCI's Dance Sixties (1988). The two channels on the JCI disc fall in and out of synch (break it into mono and invert one of the channels, and you'll hear a mess). I don't think it was deliberate, or (E). As Aaron reported above, you can grab one of the two channels to form a nice truly mono version. If you crank up the fade, you'll hear the instruments drop out on Jackie's last "higher" and the background singers hit one last "higher". It would have made a terrific cold ending for the song, but the producers went with a fade instead. Mono LP version Jackie sings some high notes over the end of the horn solo, from 1:52 to 1:55. I have the mono LP version on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 5 1967 (1988). It sounds like mud here, with virtually no high end. The same analog transfer is used on:
Jackie sings some high notes over the end of the horn solo, from 1:52 to 1:55. I have the stereo LP version in Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1967 (1989). The bass starts in the right channel. At the end of the fade, after Jackie's last "higher", you can hear the background singers start the very last "higher" but it fades to zero before the end of their "higher". The same analog transfer is used on:
For the mono 45 version, use JCI's Dance Sixties (1988), but grab the left channel only or the right channel only for a true mono file. For the stereo LP version, go with Rhino's Millennium New Soul Party (2000), which is inexpensive, features the widest soundstage out there, and removes the hum that's on The Brunswick Years Vol. 1. There's no earthly reason to listen to the mono LP version on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 5 1967 (1988). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |