En Vogue - Hold On
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Topic: En Vogue - Hold On
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: En Vogue - Hold On
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:21pm
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I used to have the cassette single for En Vogue "Hold On," but it's long gone. However, if my memory hasn't failed me, I remember a difference between the cassette single and LP versions that I have a question about.
On the cassette single version, I recall that the song was exactly the same as the LP version, with the exception of one line. On the fadeout of the cassette single version, the lyrics are: "He'll be there for you; he'll want to f*** you all the time." Later, I purchased the full-length CD, and these lyrics are changed to "he'll want to have you all the time," which matches the "Radio Version With Intro" from my 12" single. Did original pressings of Born To Sing have the uncensored lyrics, and then the song was later replaced with the censored radio version? |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:34pm
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would you like an mp3 file of the cassingle version to compare yourself??? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:37pm
| Sure, Ed! Did you check out those lyrics? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:39pm
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no, but i will tonite..........aaron, in the future, if you need any mp3s of 45 or cassingles, just ask, i'd love to provide them for you, since you've helped me so much with the editing process....... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 8:28am
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We need to look at "Hold On" in greater detail, especially with regard to the cassette single perhaps being different from the LP version. Here is what I have:
dj cd single Atlantic PRCD 3386 has two tracks. track 1 called the "radio edit" runs 4:15 not 4:30 as stated on the cd and has the "f*** you" line at 3:53. Track 2 called "edited version" runs 4:21 not 4:35 as stated and has the "f*** you" line at 3:59. dj cd single Atlantic PRCD 3171 has three tracks. Track 1 called "radio version - with intro" runs 5:07 not 5:34 as stated and has the "f*** you" line at 4:59. Track 2 called "edited version" runs 4:21 not 4:35 as stated on the cd and has the "f*** you line" at 3:59. Track 3 called "extended version" runs 5:01 not 5:18 as stated and has the "f*** you" line at 4:39. My "Born To Sing" cd has this song running 5:01 with the "f*** you" line at 4:39. So what are the specifics of the commercial cassette single and where does the 3:44 version on the cd "Cosmopolitan Volume 1" Sandstone 33047 come from? ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 7:11pm
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Interesting... I'm very surprised to learn that all the tracks on the "Hold On" DJ CD singles contain the f-word. Did radio stations really air the song that way? If so, you'd think the FCC would've had something to say about it!
I would assume most stations faded the song early? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 11:15pm
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I remember back in the day when a couple of our CDs in the air studio had a big sign taped to the front that read "FADE BEFORE (8:88)!!!" It wouldn't surprise me if stations did an early fade. It's also possible that another DJ single was released with the clean versions.
Pat, are the tracks labeled as "radio version" or "LP version" on the DJ singles you have? I'll have to check my 12" single when I get home---it might be a promo copy. |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 19 January 2006 at 9:15pm
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I will just modify my post above to include the names of the dj edits. ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 January 2006 at 9:56pm
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Here is some info on my 12" single. It IS a promo copy with the following mixes and printed (not actual) run times:
A: "Radio Version With Intro" (5:08) "Edit" (4:15) "Edit With Intro" (4:58) B: "Extended Version" (5:18) "Instrumental" (3:56) "Dub Version" (3:56) All versions have the censored version which says "he'll want to have you." Although my CD copy of Born To Sing is in Michigan, I have "Hold On" dubbed from that disc onto a CD-R, and it is also the censored version. The only logical conclusion is that more than one version of the full-length CD exists. As for the promo copies, Atlantic must have goofed when they were pressing the dj cd single. Anyone have a promo copy that IS censored? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 8:39pm
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ok, guys.....this one needs to be reviewed further....
the version from the cd "born to sing" and for that matter the version from "billboard #1 hits of the 90's" DO NOT contain the cassingle version....the cassingle version and these cd versions are the same till the break at the 3:54 mark....then the cassingle goes into a non vocal loop while the full cd version has the vocals over it......the cassingle picks up the vocal again at the 4:14 mark...my cassingle has the clean fade out "he'll want to have you all the time"........the only place i know to have the correct cassingle version is the german import cd single issued as atlantic 7567-86178.....the third track labelled as "radio version with intro" which runs 5:07 on the cd single is the same version but the cassingle version fades out to 5:03 while this cd single version runs to 5:07....hope this helps ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 11:19pm
| This is very interesting info, Ed. Thanks for passing that along. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 10:09am
| Just wanted to add that on the Best Of En Vogue CD the track runs 5:04 and has the "have you" lyric. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 6:23pm
| My "Best Of" cd has the line "he'll want to f*** you" at 4:39. Are you sure that line on your copy is "he'll want to hold you"? Perhaps there are 2 different pressings of this cd - mine has the matrix number 62322-2 RE-1 01. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 29 August 2006 at 7:12pm
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I just played it again...it has an identical matrix (3 62322-2 RE-1 01) and clearly says "have" instead of "fuck".
I purchased it the day of release in 1999 (I just noticed the copyright on the CD states 1998, but it was definately 1999). |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 12:10pm
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Moderator wrote:Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 9:18pm
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underground dub
does the best of cd (S) (5:03) Eastwest 62322 Best Of contain the proper cassingle version of this song???...or not... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 12:25am
| I have the Best Of CD, and it has the censored LP version that does NOT have the extra non-vocal loop on your cassingle, Ed. The funny thing is that more than one cassingle must exist, because I clearly remember my cassingle having the dirty "f" word in it. I cannot, however, remember if it had the extra music section in it or not. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 1:13pm
| I just found my (5:07) vinyl copy of this 45, which has the line "He'll want to have you" on the fade, not the f word. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 November 2007 at 7:37pm
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I have the US commercial 45 and four different versions of this on CD, and none of them have any naughty words on the fade-out. On those that don't fade out completely before the line, it's "have".
The commercial US 45 (Atlantic 7-87984, matrix ST-A-58272-2, printed 5:07, actual 5:06) has a vocal intro until 1:05, and has a 32-beat instrumental portion from 3:54-4:13. The commercial US 45 version is found on Atlantic's Year In Review: 1990 (Atlantic PRCD 3674-2, 1990, printed 5:07, actual 5:05), although the sound is compressed/maximized. Same vocal intro until 1:05, same 32-beat instrumental portion from 3:54-4:13. There's a shorter version on Big Hits '90 (PolyTel Canada 845 119-2, 1990, actual 5:03). These PolyTel Canada discs typically have the LP versions, although I don't have Born To Sing to compare. The vocal intro lasts until 1:06, the 32-beat instrumental portion that's found on the 45 is ABSENT, and at 3:54, on the words "let go", it picks up at what would be 4:13 on the 45. The fade starts about 8 beats after it does on the 45, at about 4:38, and extends about 15 seconds past the end of the 45. This version clearly has the line "have you" in it, where the line is partially masked by the quicker fade on the 45. There's a shorter version that was most likely the UK single, since it turns up on two UK collections that typically use the UK single versions. It's on Snap It Up! Monster Hits 2 (CBS/BMG/WEA UK CD HITS 12, 1990, actual 4:24) and The Greatest Hits Of Dance (Telstar UK tcd2616, 1992, actual 4:24). The vocal intro is shortened; it removes the portion from 0:20-0:40 on the US 45, so that the vocal intro lasts until 0:45. The 32-beat instrumental break on the 45 is only 16 beats long here, and lasts from 3:33-3:43. At 3:43, after the 16-beat break, it rejoins the 45 version at the 4:13 point. It fades 32 beats earlier than the 45, with a 32-beat fade from 4:03 (4:33 point on the 45) to 4:23 (4:53 point on the 45). No naughty words - it fades before the vocals reach that point. There's yet another version on Monster Trax (Quality Canada QRSPD-1123, 1991, actual 4:22) This is the version on Big Hits '90, which I assume is the LP version, faded very early. As for the version on Cosmopolitan Vol. 1 (Sandstone SAN 5015 IPCD-1615, 1992, mastered by Steve Hoffman - yay! -, printed 4:50, actual 3:44), this is the only one that cuts off the vocal intro and begins right on the musical downbeat. Actually, it trims off the vocal intro and the first 16 beats of the music, coming in at the 1:15 point on the 45. More precisely, this is exactly the Big Hits '90 version (which I assume is the LP version), with the first 1:15 cut off. The 32-beat instrumental break, which doesn't exist here, would come in at 2:38. So... I found that compared to what I believe to be the LP version (actual 5:03), the US 45 (actual 5:06) has an extra 32-beat instrumental break stuck in at the 3:54 mark, and fades about 15 seconds earlier than the LP version would (if you just stuck an extra 32 beats in there). The UK 45 (actual 4:24) shortens the vocal intro, has an extra 16 beats stuck in at the appropriate point, and fades 32 beats earlier than the US 45. What a mess... |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 7:24pm
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Well, I was hoping to obtain one of the explicit versions of the promo single, but it looks like I have one of the clean ones.
I have just obtained PRCD 3171-2. The matrix number is 3 PR 3171-2 RE-1. I just checked and all three versions have the line "he'll want to have you." One other thing I was hoping for was to find the "Extended Version" on CD. Track 3 is labeled as such, but this is really just the LP version---missing the instrumental loop at 3:59 and has a more gradual fade that starts earlier. Pat, does the "Extended Version" on your CD start with music right away, or does it have the acapella intro? The true extended version on the 12" starts with music and not the acapella part. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 16 May 2009 at 7:54pm
| My "extended version" on PRCD 3171 has the acapella intro. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 June 2009 at 9:20pm
Jim, it makes sense why you couldn't make out the "f" word. Your copy of PRCD 3386 contains the clean lyrics! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 June 2010 at 6:39pm
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i have an import cd single issued as atlantic 7567-86178-2 a7908 cd with the below listed tracks, listed and actual run times
1-seven inch edit (listed 4:24; actual 4:21) 2-extended version (listed 5:17; actual 5:13) 3-radio version with intro (listed 5:07; actual 5:06) ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 10:26pm
I thought I had chimed in on this before, but I guess I didn't. Judging from Ed's description above, the US cassingle version can be found on the old US BackTrax CD single, coupled with "Lies," on Atlantic UPC code 075678488726. Though I'm timing it to 5:06, not 5:07. And it would not surprise me if the last couple seconds are just not audible through the hiss on the cassette single. I have to turn the volume WAY up to hear it even on the CD single. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 30 December 2011 at 11:19pm
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Pat:
I want to bring to your attention that the database currently shows the following general comment for En Vogue's "Hold On": (dj copies of this cd single run (4:15) the ) This looks like another one of those glitches where the comment got cut off because quotation marks are present. In addition to the DJ CD single info, the comment should also note that cassette single copies run 5:03 and commercial 45 copies run 5:06 (both were documented elsewhere in this thread). |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 01 February 2020 at 6:17am
I've been trying to track down the explicit version myself for awhile now, and apparently, the RE-1 designation is what makes the difference. It's noted on the Discogs page for the Promo CD Single 3171-2 that there are two different versions of the promo, same catalog no. and same tracks, with the only difference being that copies that have RE-1 in the matrix are the clean versions. So if you're looking for the explicit promo and see it for sale somewhere, be sure to ask the seller whether or not it has "RE-1" in the matrix. If it doesn't, it should be the explicit version. Somewhere in a storage box, I have the Cassette Single of "Hold On". I'm going to try to find it and see if it has the explicit version and the non-vocal loop that was mentioned earlier in the thread. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2020 at 7:57am
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Dan, I was the one who posted the note on Discogs, based on information provided here by Pat Downey. I have never seen a promo CD without an RE-1 in the matrix, but I'll keep looking. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 01 February 2020 at 8:23am
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Thanks for that information, Aaron.
Is it possible a similar situation exists with the 2-track 3386-2 promo? The fifth post in the thread mentions that both tracks have the explicit version, then later jimct mentions that he listened to the same promo and didn't hear the explicit word at all. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2020 at 2:04pm
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At this point, I'm not sure if Pat is simply mis-hearing the lyrics on his promo or if there really are copies of the CD without the RE-1. I do know that when I had the cassette single that line was very clearly the "f" word. I'm guessing it was a very early pressing, possibly even before the song was a hit. I got the tape from a radio station where I worked, and although it wasn't a promo cassette, it's possible they were sent to radio as a way 1) to promote the song, knowing radio would never play it from cassette, and 2) to get rid of the first pressings that they didn't want going to retail with the uncensored lyrics. This is totally conjecture on my part, but I suppose it's possible. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 03 February 2020 at 3:25pm
| I forwarded a copy of Hold On found on the dj cd single Atlantic PRCD 3171 to Aaron and even though I still hear the F bomb he hears the word "have" and not the F bomb so since the majority hear the censored version, I guess I will have to change my story and say the promo cd singles are all censored. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 12:13am
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So no versions exist on CD that have the f curse as Aaron remembered? Dan, did the cassette you have contain the f curse and the loop? ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 6:09am
I haven't located it yet. I think it's probably in the one, huge storage box in my closet that I haven't checked yet that has a few hundred Cassette Singles/Maxi- Singles. I have to go to work in a little while, but I will make sure to check for it either later tonight or sometime tomorrow and report back. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 26 August 2020 at 5:24pm
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OK, I finally dug out my Cassette Single copy of "Hold On" and I can confirm what Ed wrote almost 14 years ago to the day. My copy, like Ed's, has the vocal loop and the line, "He'll Want
To Have You". On a side note: To me, the word "have" is sung in such a way that if you weren't paying full attention while you were listening, it might sound like she's saying, "He'll want to F You" (just the letter F, not the actual 4 letter word). ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 09 October 2021 at 5:57pm
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Does anyone recall this being played on Top 40 radio back in the day?
Did they actually play the full acapella intro? I seem to recall my local CHR started with the beat after “Yooouuuu” … but perhaps that was just a regional edit. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 October 2021 at 6:13pm
I don't recall hearing an acapella intro. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 25 October 2021 at 5:50pm
I seem to recall a local urban station playing the full acapella intro. I also seem to recall that the local Top 40 station played the edit starting with the beat after the long "Youuuuuu....". ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 October 2021 at 9:12am
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The "Radio Edit" on PRCD 3386 does not have any part of the acapella intro. It opens with an instrumental intro. Cut 2 on this same disc, the "Edited Version," starts on the "yooouuuuuu" of the acapella intro. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 27 October 2021 at 6:17am
That's the one I was referring to. It's all I ever heard on Top 40 radio at the time. To add to the confusion of this song, there is another edit on the "New Jack Swing Gold" VA compilation that runs just under 4 minutes. No acapella intro at all and it opens cold with a slightly different intro than the "Radio Edit" Aaron described. No idea where this edit originated, or if it was previously released or had any airplay anywhere. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 27 October 2021 at 8:53am
| Thanks all - interesting all the variations heard in different locations / formats |