SOS Band - Take Your Time (Do It Right)
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Topic: SOS Band - Take Your Time (Do It Right)
Posted By: Brian W.
Subject: SOS Band - Take Your Time (Do It Right)
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 8:05am
| Has the 3:51 single edit of this appeared on CD yet? Pat says the 3:56 version on Razor & Tie's "Disco Fever" is an edit of the LP version that does not quite match the 45. |
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Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 01 December 2004 at 8:35am
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As you may already know, on August 24, a new and
much-welcomed "Greatest Hits" CD by S.O.S. Band was released here in the U.S. on Virgin/The Right Stuff 72435-97449-2-6. As a long-time fan of the group, I of course bought it the week it came out... Unlike 1995's "The Best of..." (which I also have, although long out-of-print), which featured the 7:39 LP version of the song, the new collection contains what is claimed to be "Take Your Time (Do it Right) (Part 1)", or the single edit that you seek. However, the version on "Greatest Hits" clocks in at just 3:14, not 3:51. Admittedly, I've never owned the 45, but it sure sounds like the single edit to me (e.g., it lacks the male vocal chants of "let's do it!" at the very beginning, the extended instrumental break in the middle, etc.), which I've had for years on other V/A compilations that were never released on CD. Perhaps this is another example of the timing on the original 45s being mislabeled (3:51, when it really ran about 3:14)??? Hopefully Pat can double-check... |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 01 December 2004 at 5:26pm
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how long is the version on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1980, and, is it the single? Mine is packed in a box due to move so can not check. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 01 December 2004 at 6:33pm
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"Take Your Time (Do It Right) Part 1" which is the 45 version has yet to appear on a domestic cd. The 45 runs 3:50 by actual timing and is not the same version as found on the Billboard Top Hits of 1980 which runs (3:29) nor is it found on the new "Greatest Hits" cd mentioned above which runs (3:14). ------------- Top 40 Music On Compact Disc Moderator |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:45am
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Thanks for the input, Pat. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised
(and a little disappointed) to now know that the version of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)" on the new "Greatest Hits" collection isn't the complete single edit, even though the wording on the CD itself suggests otherwise - a tad misleading, eh? But I guess that's one of the big reasons most of us bought your book in the first place. :-) I will say this: The version on "Greatest Hits" definitely starts out identical to the single, so my conclusion is that it's the 45 version faded :36 early. Nevertheless, I still highly recommend the new CD to fans of classic '70s and '80s funk, as it's without a doubt the best (and most complete) S.O.S. Band collection released to date... |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 10:32am
| The version on "Greatest Hits" does indeed match the 45 for about 1:20 but then deviates from the 45. It is not the 45 version faded early! |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:28pm
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Thanks for setting the record straight - I guess that
means this previously unavailable 3:14 mix of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)" will be designated as "(neither the 45, LP or 12" single version)" in the 11th edition of your book. :-) But it also begs the following: When the record labels use (or license) the recordings to make these new CD compilations, wouldn't it just be a whole lot easier to use the masters w/ the original 45, LP, or 12" version of the song in question, rather than use or create these "new" mixes, or whatever??? And in the case of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)", according to the book, there are already two additional versions of the song that clock in at 3:29/3:30 and 4:37 that are also "(neither the 45, LP or 12" single version)". I mean, fading the 45, LP, or 12" version of a song early is easy, and sometimes understandable - but all-new mixes??? (And a quick scan of the book reveals that this practice is apparently somewhat common, not just w/ the S.O.S. Band.) And w/ a total running time of 79:08, I'm sure it wouldn't have been too hard to find room for the extra :36 that it would've required for the record label to squeeze the true 3:50 45 version of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)" (by far the group's biggest hit, after all) on "Greatest Hits", no??? |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 12 January 2005 at 12:18pm
| anyone know what the difference is between the 12" version and the album version? I have both on CD, and I really can't distinguish the difference. Thanks |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:19pm
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has anyone tried to re-create the true 45 version with music editing software??? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:35pm
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It cannot be done. The mix on the 45 is different from the album and 12" versions. Unless someone knows of a source that uses the same mix, we'll have to keep hoping that the 45 version gets released someday.
On a side note, I have this song from TM Century, and their version is the same mix as the 45, but it's edited differently. I'm not sure what their source is, but it's definitely not vinyl. I think they might have pulled this from Rhino 70276 The Disco Years, Vol. 5, but I don't have this CD to verify. Also posted above, the song is on the SOS Band GH compilation disc, which uses the same mix as the 45, but it's also not edited correctly. Unfortunately, it's not just the spoken vocal "let's do it" that differs from the 45. It is mixed differently throughout the whole song, so you can't splice on parts of the LP version to create the 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:40pm
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Whoops! The mix that's on TM's disc is not even the same as the 45 mix. It's missing the spoken vocal on the intro, but it's also missing some percussion---the instrument that sounds like someone is banging silverware on a glass...very technical, I know.
So, it appears that there are three mixes of this song. The 45 mix, the LP mix, and whatever this other mix is that I just described. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 August 2005 at 10:35pm
| I've looked and looked. Unfortunately, for some reason, this song has not appeared on very many compilations. Maybe our Canadian member, David Clark, has a source... There have been all sorts of things that have come out on Canadian comps over the years that have never been relesed in the US. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 04 September 2005 at 11:26pm
| What about the alleged 4:57 version that's on "Superstars of 70s Soul" boxed set? Is that even the same mix as the 45??? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 3:48pm
| Let me revisit this thread again to answer Brian's question... No, the "Superstars of 70s Soul" box has some edit or early fade of the LP version. Also, the TM Century disc that I reference above uses the same version as Billboard Top Hits 1980...which has no spoken "let's do it" vocals at the beginning, but it's missing some percussion and is edited differently. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 5:57pm
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Hi
This is to address 80smusicfreak's question about sources. Having now worked on a few oldies v/a comps with a seasoned professional, I now know some answers to the often asked "why don't they just...." In this case it can be an ownership issue. The master for the 45 version is most likely sitting in a vault somewhere owned by a label that no longer has any right to issue it. I'm going from memory, but i think this was issued on Tabu, but distributed by CBS. That master would now be in a Sony vault. Wherever masters exist for the current rights-owners, the 45 master is likely not there. Tapes are often not turned over when licenses expire, or music changes hands. For you to ever hear it again, two things would need to happen. 1) The producers of the new compilation would have to WANT to release the original single, and should procure a 45 so they know what version that is. 2) They would then have to contact Sony SP and pay for a dub of that master (if its still playable). This would be more likely to happen if one already has an aquaintance at the SP division who could do this. That's just one scenerio, there are many others. The truth is most reissue producers don't necessarily favor any particular version, or just may not have all the info, and haven't done their homework. Many just take whatever source they are sent, even if incorrectly labeled (happens all the time). Many also do the obvious and use other cd's as sources. And as a side note, one v/a 70's comp i worked on contained 2 45 versions where the master had to be gotten the way I just described. The current owners/licensors of the songs had no masters other than the LP's, and the 45's could not be edited from them. The label owner called the vault guys for the original issuing labels directly, and had the original 45 masters found by their matrix numbers. They were untouched in all these years, and had to be baked. But they sounded great! So, hope this info gives you insight into how some of these 45 versions (or any versions) go overlooked. There are other reasons as well - each case can be different. -Mark M |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 12 December 2005 at 6:38pm
Any chance you'd be willing to divulge what compilation that was? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
MMathews wrote:Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 December 2005 at 5:13pm
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Ok, i could see where where I'd raise a curiousity about what disc.
"Hard To Find 45's Vol. 8 - Seventies Pop Classics" on Eric. Next question; which 2 songs? "Rivers Of Babylon", originally on Sire, was in the Warner vault. "Fool (If You Think It's Over)" was in the EMI vault. But i can say for sure that if Bill at Eric put out the Hall & Oates song, a 45 would have sent directly to Tom (the mastering engineer) and if the wrong dub was sent from BMG, he would make them look for the right master. If it wasn't found, Tom would've edited the 12" (if that would do it) and create it. If all else fails - he'd use a disc dub, but only with no other choice (that's rare). Bill has no immediate plans for anymore 70's or 80's v/a comps though. However he does take requests via email and at the labels' site. He promises that if he gets enough requests for a song or package, he'll try and do it. (keep in mind licensing takes a 10,000 unit minimum, sometimes 25,000...food for thought). -Mark M |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 December 2005 at 5:59pm
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I have that compilation. Nice work.
Too bad he doesn't have immediate plans to do any more 70s/80s comps, though--I always was a 70s music freak. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 10:35pm
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Stock 45 on this arrived today. Listed and actual time is 3:15. Deadwax is AA-AF-Z59-5522-3.
**Edit** Just realized this is a Canadian label 45. So, I apparently don't have the 'hit' 45 version? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 10:53pm
| I'm betting this is a reissue of some kind. It appears to match the greatest hits version. Does someone have a copy of the actual 45 version to compare it to? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 1:58am
| Yes, I have the original 45 version. Send me a message, and we'll compare. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 7:40am
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Aaron:
Glad I posted this info for anyone thinking that just because it's a 45, it MAY not be the proper version. Unfortunately, when I purchased it, there was no image to compare. So, beware, a Canadian issue of this song could be the same length...3:15. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 7:57am
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Here is an image of the Canadian issue 45...
http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=287634404174.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 1:17pm
| Yeah, I think this is the reason the 3:15 version keeps popping up on comps -- it was the 45 version everywhere except the U.S. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 12:10pm
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my commercial 45 issued as tabu 5522 states the run time on the label as 3:51 and does indeed run that length.....this 45 run time info has not been added to the db yet....thx aaron for creating the true 45 version for me years ago..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 12:45pm
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Question for Aaron though, how did you "create" the true 45 version? I thought there were some mixing / percussion differences that only occurred on the 45?
I saw in a post that the first 1:20 of the 45 is on cd...is any more of it? I'm confused! :-D -MM |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 12:53pm
He didn't -- it was just a straight 45 dub. Ed is remembering wrong. Unless Aaron later did another version that I don't know about. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 2:15pm
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it's possible it's a vinyl clean up.....but it sounds too clean to be that....but i guess we'll have to wait until aaron surfaces to get the final determination..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 4:37pm
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Yea, it's a vinyl dub. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 10:04pm
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Just saw this, any way you could forward me a copy so I could compare to my TM Century version? ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 July 2011 at 12:17am
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Will do. I'm pretty sure TM used the Rhino Top Hits disc as their source, but it's been several years since I compared my GoldDisc to the Rhino version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 25 July 2011 at 2:39am
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A friend sent me his vinyl dub a few years ago. It sounds pretty good, better than my own copy would have back then (my copy got pretty worn, and cue burned.)
-MM |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 25 July 2011 at 8:26pm
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For those who are wanting to compare versions, there is a clip on
YouTube of S.O.S. Band doing a lip sync of this song on Soul Train. I believe it's the 45 version which is used and it's fairly decent sound quality. |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 27 July 2011 at 10:20am
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Thanks Aaron ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 30 July 2011 at 1:57pm
| Thanking Aaron from here too, he sent me his dub which is perfect CD quality. Quite amazing. -MM |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 19 February 2013 at 2:08pm
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Edsel in the UK is releasing a Deluxe Epanded Edition of
S.O.S. Band's debut album in early April. No track listing to be found yet, but let's keep our fingers crossed that it will have the US single version of "Take Your Time (Do It Right)." But I'm not really getting my hopes up. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 19 February 2013 at 7:13pm
I checked my single. It is the 3:15 version and it's the version I remember on the radio from the summer of 1980. I remember some borderline Buffalo, NY stations playing the 3:15 version though, so I'm not sure I remember the US "Hit" version (not even from syndicated countdown shows like Casey's or Dick Clark's) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 14 March 2013 at 11:29am
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Brian was just able to download a digital-only release of the US single
version, which has been made available overseas. Don't get too excited, though. We have both determined it is a vinyl dub, and frankly, it's not even as good as the one I've personally done. It's also not available in lossless on the overseas download site. It appears that this will be the same version (vinyl dub) on the upcoming expanded CD that Brian mentions above. Since the earlier posts are confusing about which mix is which, here is what I've been able to conclude: - US single version runs 3:51 and is a UNIQUE MIX not found anywhere else except the US 45 - The "long version" (probably the same on both the LP and 12" but I cannot confirm) has the additional "let's do it" chant on the intro and is mixed differently than the US 45 - The 3:30 version on Billboard Top Hits 1980 is a different mix from both the US 45 and long version, as it is missing the "let's do it" chant, but it is also missing some additional percussion found on the 45 and long versions. - The 3:14 version on Greatest Hits is also missing the additional percussion and might be the same mix as the Billboard disc (I haven't confirmed this), just shorter. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 14 March 2013 at 6:34pm
Well that's a drag. I guess the U.S. single master must truly be lost or majorly misfiled somewhere. Given the ever-dwindling market for CD reissues like this, I suspect that this release was probably the last chance for a good-sounding CD release of the 45 version. I'm not surprised that their needledrop doesn't sound very good. I had several pressings of this 45, all with vinyl distortion or surface noise. I finally acquired a 12 inch single with the 45 version and it sounds quite nice. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 15 March 2013 at 7:19am
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If the 45 version is a bonus track on the upcoming "S.O.S." CD, it must be the same version that is available on the new single download. A missing tape is the most likely explanation for this, as well as for all previous CD appearances being a different version.
Anyone own the U.S. or British 12-inch? There is a (listed) 4:10 version on there called "Short Version." It's not impossible that that could be a longer versoin of the 45 version. It's also not impossible that it could show up on one of the Tabu reissues, either on the "S.O.S." CD or the boxed set later in the year. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 March 2013 at 11:06am
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Brian, there is also a US 12" with a "short version" and printed time of 4:10. Since Roscoe says he found the correct version on a 12" single, I'm wondering if the 4:10 is just a misprint. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 15 March 2013 at 5:18pm
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As for the location of the master tape for the original
45, just a reminder for a scenario i've witnessed over and over again. If you have the 45, take a look at the label and see who MFG and/or distributed it. I don't recall for this Tabu release but i think it was CBS. A common occurence is the 45 master is still tucked away in a CBS---> now Sony/BMG vault. I'm pretty sure if someone went looking, armed with the matrix# from the single, they would find it there. Every case is different. But that would be the first place i would look. But at this late date i really don't see this happening. MM |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 17 March 2013 at 7:55am
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Does the US 45-rpm disc have that elongated "Take your tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime" as it enters an instrumental bridge? Maybe that's on my LP, but I can't remember.
I would like to hear the US 45-rpm disc if possible. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 17 March 2013 at 9:02am
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jody....i'm sending you the vinyl 45 now along with the re-
creation i got awhile ago.......lmk when you get it... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 March 2013 at 9:19am
No, that vocal is on the long version but not the US 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 30 April 2015 at 11:25pm
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11 years + of posts, including many by our most distinguished, seasoned
experts, and I believe I finally have some answers to the *one* big 80's hit that has continued to confound us here on the Board, since its inception, and had been truly unique in its ability to successfully elude me, for decades, on a U.S. promo 45. Well, no longer. I have *finally* found one. And I have additionally picked up a promo 12" single, with added insights gleaned from it. Aaron has just finished reviewing two of the four total versions. The third one is the same as the stock 45, and the fourth, a listed (7:47), actual (7:48) promo 12" "long version", still awaits further analysis. So here goes, complete with Aaron's analysis/findings: Now I know why that (3:15) version always sounded "right" to me: Because it was the one I played frequently on-air as a current. A listed & actual (3:15) length is included as the "short version" of my Tabu 5522 promo 45. (Deadwax "ZS9-5522-3AD"). Aaron has confirmed that it matches the (3:15) version found on the "Greatest Hits" CD. This same mix also appears on the "Billboard Top Hits 1980" and "Disco Years, Vol. 5", V/A CDs, but they both fade out approx. :15 seconds later than the (3:15) promo 45 does, at around (3:30). The "long version" of my promo 45 is the same listed & actual (3:51) version that appears on all U.S. stock 45s. (Deadwax "ZS9-5522-5AD"). Now to my promo 12" single. Mine (Tabu 758) has a white label, but a Tabu 5523 black label "Dance Music" promo 12" also exists. (Both 12"ers include the exact same contents.) The "short version" has a listed (4:10), actual (4:09) version. (Deadwax "XSS-167326-1D"). Aaron has confirmed two things here: 1) That this version is the same as the (3:51) stock/DJ 45 long v, except that it continues on for another :18 seconds, and, 2) That this specific length version has yet to appear anywhere on a domestic CD. Aaron's summary: -US 45 mix appears in lengths of (3:51) (45) and (4:09) (12"), differing only by a longer fadeout. -US promo 45 mix appears on CD in lengths of (3:15) (DJ 45) and (3:30) (although there has never been an "official" (3:30) 1980 release), again differing only by a longer fadeout. -The main way to spot these two mixes easily is the presence or absence of "clinking glasses" in different places throughout the song. For instance, on the intro of the US 45 mix, you hear what sounds like someone tapping a fork against a Coca-Cola bottle. This can also be heard on the long LP version, although the album version has other differences, too. This "glass clinking" sound is completely absent from the short, (3:15) promo 45 mix. Also important to note is that neither of the 45 mixes contains the "Let's Do It" chant that is found on the LP version. The "long version" side of my promo 12" has a listed time of (7:47) and an actual time of (7:48). (Deadwax "XSS -167325-1D"). Pat currently shows 4 CDs as including the"LP Version", with run times between (7:35) and (7:40). I am going to shoot out the (7:48) promo 12" long version to Pat, to see if it could be a possible match for the longest current version in his db, a (7:46) "remix" found on the Club Epic V/A CD. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 01 May 2015 at 12:59pm
| Yes Jim, the Club Epic cd is the long 12" single version. |
Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 01 June 2015 at 4:20pm
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The EU box release, The Tabu Anthology, (2014 Tabu/Demon
TABUBOX0003) has the US commercial version (3:51). This box also has eight of the band's LPs, an extra disc of 7" mixes and a disc of 12" mixes. I matched the single version listed on the box with my US commercial version, and they match! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 June 2015 at 3:59am
I believe Aaron determined that was a 45 dub. Unless they found a tape between the pre-release download of the "Take Your Time" single and the release of the box set. But the downloads were the kickoff to the remaster campaign. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 June 2015 at 6:01am
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I suspect that this single version's master tapes are on
a 45 RPM job reel spliced in with the releases near it. Most record companies had their single masters spliced on a large phono reel for ease of mastering and storage. So, if someone at Sony can come up with some master numbers around the Tabu single, maybe that job reel can be located. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 9:52pm
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Did we ever determine what the difference is between the LP version and the 12" single version?
Is it just the length of the fade? ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 September 2019 at 11:59am
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Ron, to answer your nearly two-year old question, yes. The 12" single has a slightly longer fade compared to the LP version. That's the only difference I hear. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 6:29am
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I never had the 45, but I know there's a "Part 2" on the B-Side. I've never actually heard it, but I was just wondering how it sounds. Is it more of the same vocals, more of an instrumental, any differences in the mix, etc.? ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:20am
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Morning, y'all. I was up and decided to do some digging on this one, since I had never heard the elusive "Part 2" either. I found what would appear to be a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79z6nFrdMF8 - true 45 rip on YouTube. It's definitely not fully instrumental, but I'm not well-versed enough with the 12" version to know whether this version could be extracted from it. (The YouTube clip has leading silence of about a minute for some reason.)
FYI, "Part 2" is available on CD https://www.discogs.com/The-SOS-Band-SOS/release/5182164 - here , but buyer beware, these reissues were besieged with complaints of dodgy vinyl rips for bonus tracks when they were first released. Don't know if this is one of the tracks that was complained about or not. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 26 January 2021 at 10:17pm
Wow, can't believe I didn't post here back in 2016 when we released our first 80s music volume. I re-read the thread to see what was the difference between the 12" single and LP versions. Now I know. As for the single master, Tabu never had it! My original theory was totally correct (I been doing this for a LONG time...). We contacted SONY in 2016, gave them the matrix# for the 45 and they indeed pulled it from the vaults and supplied us with a perfect transfer. So if anyone missed it, you can go to our Eric Records website and locate the CD. Hard To Find 45s on CD Volume 15. Happy listening. And thanks to those above for finally clearing up the 12" vs. LP version mystery for me. MM |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 26 January 2021 at 10:31pm
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By the way, just some info about rights-owners vs. major
label distributors. When a label is no longer with a national distributor - in this case, TABU and CBS, when the smaller label is no longer under contract with the major, they can request ALL of their master recordings to date. In MOST cases, the major or distributor will hand over all the LP masters. They hardly EVER hand over the SINGLE masters and most rights owners don't think to ASK. If they had specifically asked for their single masters by matrix numbers, they would have had ALL the versions for which they own the rights. We've seen this at least half a dozen times. The folks who grant us the license are NOT in possession of the 45 master tapes! So we have approached the original distributor (Sony, EMI, or Warner...etc) and sure enough we got a copy of the correct U.S. single. It is unfortunate that most rights-owners do not think to do this. And it's unfortunate that a lot of CD reissue producers do not think to do what we did - go to the original source for the version you want! They WILL copy tapes for you even if they no longer own the rights. MM |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 27 January 2021 at 5:42am
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If I understand this correctly, the 3:30 version that
appears on the Billboard 1980 disc is not known to have ever appeared on vinyl? The reason I ask is because when listening to the song on that disc, I hear what sounds to be a vinyl-type click at about the :50-:51 second mark on the word "It" in the line, "It seems we never take the time to do all the things we want to". Because of that, I always thought the version on there came from vinyl. I also have a version on a TM Century disc that runs around 3:30, and it does NOT have the click in the same point in the song. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 January 2021 at 7:13am
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Dan, the Billboard disc has the same mix as the US promo 45 "Short Version," but it runs about 15 seconds longer on the CD. I'm positive the CD is not a vinyl transfer, though. TM Century most certainly used the Billboard CD as their source, but they often used de-clicking and noise reduction on other CD copies that didn't necessarily need to be cleaned up. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: BSharp
Date Posted: 27 January 2021 at 5:12pm
It *might* be on the K-Tel "Full Tilt" compilation album. That's how I first discovered this song when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember it missing some of the elements from the versions that I heard later when I started buying CD compilations and 12" singles. https://www.discogs.com/Various-Full- Tilt/release/2203881 Unfortunately, there are no track times listed here. I might still have the Full Tilt LP in storage though. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 10 October 2022 at 8:55pm
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For the sake of completeness, for the 2-CD set Disco Fever (Razor & Tie 22496, 1991), the database should read "LP and 12 inch single version faded from 3:47 to 3:57", rather than "edit of the LP version in an unsuccessful attempt at recreating the 45 version".
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