Gerry Rafferty Singles
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Topic: Gerry Rafferty Singles
Posted By: sriv94
Subject: Gerry Rafferty Singles
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 8:13am
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Always enjoyed Gerry Rafferty's work--and for a long time the (4:08) 45 version of "Baker Street" was one of the hardest to track down on CD. Now I'd like to try to edit his other three LP versions on CD to match the 45 (strangely enough, "Days Gone Down" is still not available on CD while his other top-40 hits are)--that is, of course, when my computer gets repaired.
I did create one edit of "Right Down The Line" from a somewhat scratchy 45 put onto a CD for me--but because it's somewhat scratchy I'm not sure if I nailed the edits (converting the LP to a 45 also requires a slightly faster change in speed/pitch). But for "Home And Dry" and "Get It Right Next Time" I haven't a clue about edits or pitch/speed. Anyone have any insight? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 10:38am
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i have all 5 of his top 40 hits on cd, but NOT in the 45 versions........i have a few that paul re-created in their 45 versions on cd.......can i send mps of them to your for your review.........i also have the actual 45's of all 5 top 40 songs as well....if you need them ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 10:43am
| "Get It Right Next Time" has a lousy-sounding fade-in for the 45 version. I recreated it, but it sounds sloppy, just like the 45. I can't remember if this one required a speed adjustment like the City to City singles did. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 11:05am
I'll take you up on that, but I'll let you know when (once my home computer is repaired). Thanks! :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 11:07am
Interesting. Is that the only difference between the 45 and LP for "Get It Right Next Time," or are there others? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 11:22am
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ok let me know ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 7:22pm
A chunk of the long instrumental outro has also been edited out, but I can't remember where the edit is. I don't think there's a speed adjustment, though. I just listened to the fade-in from the 45 version again. It starts at about the :31 second mark and the full fade-in only takes for about 1 second. That's why it sounds so sloppy. |
Posted By: Paul Esch
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 8:38am
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For the single version of "Right Down The Line," edit the introduction
from 0:08 to 0:23, using the cowbell hit as the marker. After that, edit the guitar solo from 2:25 to 2:40, using the normal beats. After that edit out the end of the track from 3:42 on. Then go back and add a fade-out from just after the last big piano chord to the end. The fade-out is at first gradual then drops quickly from 3:37 on, so use a 'convex' curve on the fade-out. After that, speed up the track to 105%, and that should do it. (The time markers are rounded to the nearest second, but you'll be able to use the beats to determine the edits.) I'm working on single versions for "Days Gone Down" and "Get It RIght Next Time". The single version of "Days" is not only edited but repeats and tags on the second chorus to the end of the track. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 9:34am
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Thanks, Paul, for the update. Unfortunately, some of the jargon is new to me--what is a "convex" curve? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Paul Esch
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 10:26am
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It just means that if you have a special fade designer on your sound
program, instead of a striaght-line fade, you adjust the fade to be flatter at the beginning, then gradually becoming steeper to the end, so it appears to be an arc (a convex, or curved, line). 'Convex' is my term; I don't know what the official jargon would be. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 2:33pm
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Sorry to dredge this thread--but I was thinking of this tune earlier. Did anyone ever come up with a way to replicate the 45 version of "Days Gone Down (Still Got The Light In Your Eyes)?"
/Of course, for me to try to duplicate it I'd have to find the LP version somewhere as well. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 10:04am
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I made what I thought was the single edit of "Days Gone Down" about ten years ago, from a CD containing the long version, and I can send you an mp3 of this for you to check it out if you'd like - But now I'm not sure it's correct. You wrote:
"The single version of "Days" is not only edited but repeats and tags on the second chorus to the end of the track." I remember duplicating the awkward edit near the end but I don't remember repeating the 2nd chorus. Of course, I did this edit 10 years ago and it could simply be that I don't remember all that I did to make the edit. Are you saying that instead of the third chorus, they replaced it with the second chorus? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 10:38am
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That was Paul Esch who wrote that, not me.
But sure, please feel free to send it along. I think Ed said he said the vinyl 45 as well. Can't really A/B it with the software I have, though--anyone wanna volunteer to take Gordon's CD-quality version and Ed's vinyl 45 to do a comparison? (That is, assuming Ed's wililng to share). :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 9:27pm
| Sure, Doug. What is your email address (I can't find it.) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 1:28pm
Whoops--I forgot that Ed sent me a vinyl dub about a year ago. Where does the time go? Sorry about that, Ed. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 5:23pm
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Sorry for the delay, but I think I finally figured out the editing to make
"Days Gone Down" into the 45 version, though it's tricky. I used the version from the European import Baker Steet (1999 Disky 854422). --First, edit out part of the intro from :48 to 1:04. --Second, edit out the first chorus and second verse, from 1:32 to 2:34, to go directly from the end of the first verse to the second chorus. --The second chorus has the "shine a light" tag on the end. After the third verse, the third chorus is edited after Gerry sings "Yes, you do" at approximately the 3:08 mark (it sounds as though the edit point is right before the next line after "Yes, you do"), and the corresponding part of the second chorus must be grafted onto the end, so, once again the "shine a light" tag is there. --After that, the "shine a light" tag must be copied and added on after the third "shine a light". In other words, the "shine a light" tag repeats three times in the chorus, but four times at the end of the 45 version. So, graft on the "shine a light" until you have about a 4:00-long track and cut the rest. Then put on a 15-second fade on the end. The one point I'm not sure of is the actual length of the 45 version, since I don't trust my ol' turntable to be accurate. Could anyone give the actual length of the single version, and if there are any speed issues to be aware of? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 11:59pm
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For Gerry Rafferty fans and Top 40 collectors alike, you'll be interested to know that the Collectables label recently reissued two of Rafferty's most commercially successful solo albums on one CD: City to City/Night Owls (catalog #2919). This means "Days Gone Down (Still Got the Light in Your Eyes)" officially makes its CD debut in the U.S. at long last! (And frankly, I'm quite surprised it's taken this long for America to reissue this song and the Night Owls album on CD, especially when both have been available on compact disc in Europe since the late '80s!)
Oh, and to answer your question, Paul, the single version of "Days Gone Down" runs 3:58. I have an dub of Ed's vinyl 45 copy on mp3 and the accuracy of his turntable speed seems to be pretty much on target. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:18am
| I just matched the CD version of "Days Gone Down" to the vinyl 45. Paul is correct about the edits. There's one on the intro; first chorus and second verse are cut out; and after the third verse, the second "shine a light" chorus has to be pasted on the end and looped. (On the LP version, it goes to an instrumental section.) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 12:27am
| Very sad to hear today that Gerry Rafferty died at age 63. His publicist announced that he had a "long illness". Really sad. Too young. Besides his 2 biggest hits, I particularly liked Stealers Wheel's "Star" and "Found My Way To You" as well as "Days Gone Down". RIP, Gerry. A very talented singer and songwriter. |
Posted By: satchdr
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 10:00pm
| Rafferty did some amazing music, including the not yet mentioned "Everythng'll Turn Out Fine" with Stealers Wheel. But (and it's not a single) the best song he ever did (in my humble opinion) is "The Way It Always Starts" from the "Local Hero" soundtrack. Mark Knopfler co-wrote it with Rafferty, Alan Clark, Neil Jason and Steve Jordan. It's an absolutely beautiful song. Check it out. Dan |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 10:29pm
Very sad news indeed, Gordon. I'm a fan of Gerry Rafferty's work and thought he deserved to have more hit singles in the U.S. than he did (not to mention, he was a very underrated guitarist). In addition to Rafferty, it's depressing to see the growing list of terrific singer-songwriters we've lost over the past few years (i.e. - Michael Jackson, Dan Fogelberg, Isaac Hayes, Paul Davis, Les Paul, Solomon Burke, Al Wilson, John Stewart, Dan Seals (of England Dan & John Ford Coley), Harvey Fuqua, etc.) |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 8:14am
The single and album versions of this were completely different recordings of the song, and are very different interpretations of it (the album version was re-issued as a single in the late 70s, probably an attempt by A&M to cash in on Rafferty's solo success). AFAIK, the 1973 single version has never been re-issued (and the promo single is the only source of it in stereo). |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 11:23am
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Another tip about that Collectables two-fer of Gerry Rafferty solo albums. "City To City" is sourced from the DCC Gold CD mastering done by Steve Hoffman. Reason enough to buy this disc alone. Gerry's death was a very sad loss. "Star" was a favorite single. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 11:58pm
Good info, KentT. I never knew this. I will say though that I've always been pretty impressed with the mastering on the EMI 46049 City to City CD release , which I think sounds excellent. |
Posted By: Tim Brown
Date Posted: 12 September 2012 at 2:45pm
| Does anybody know if there was a 45 version of Home and Dry or perhaps a promo edit? Unable to find a shorter version on You Tube. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 September 2012 at 3:16pm
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Yes, indeed. The commercial 45 runs 3:56, and as far as I remember it's an edit of the LP version. I don't know offhand what was edited out, but I did create one years ago. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 7:43am
I went one better than that, which got me kicked off the Steve Hoffman board for a while: The DCC mastering uses the '80s-era EMI UK City To City CD as its source. It's not a digital clone, and it looks like the signal was fed through an analog mixing board. There are slightly EQ differences on two tracks, and all the others have basically the same EQ on the two discs. If anything, the '80s-era EMI UK disc should sound better than the DCC, because there is one fewer step in the signal chain. I set up a whole thread on this http://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6942&KW=rafferty - here . The Collectables two-fer and a later EMI two-fer are both digital clones of the original '80s-era EMI UK disc. Needless to say, the people on the Steve Hoffman board were not pleased with me. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 9:11am
There's an edit in the intro, and an edit in the instrumental break (both are half as long on the single as they are on the LP), and then an early fade as well. What's odd here is that while the single versions of "Baker Street" and "Right Down The Line" (the previous two 45s from City to City) are faster than the LP versions, the 45 of "Home And Dry" is actually slower. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Tim Brown
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 9:53am
| Thanks for the editing tips, Doug. Much appreciated. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 28 March 2016 at 8:39pm
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Very sad about Gerry's death. BTW out of solos, "Baker St." "High & Dry", and "Right down the line" (the only ones I've heard) and both "Stuck in the Middle.." &"Everybody's Agreed"..(both the completely different recordings, 45 and LP) are the ones I know and like best. ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 15 October 2016 at 9:26am
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Don't have many details yet but in early Dec. 2016 there is a scheduled CD release on Varese Sarabande that would include all of Gerry's 45 edits released on United Artists. One source has told me that their search even included looking for tapes outside of the US to get the best sources available for this upcoming release. The disc will also include Stealers Wheels material, but unfortunately just their one biggest chart hit. Stay tuned for more details coming soon. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 01 December 2016 at 7:41pm
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The updated release date for this new CD release by Varese Sarabande is Jan. 13, 2017. Here is the track listing:
1. Stuck In The Middle With You - Stealers Wheel 2. City To City 3. Baker Street (US single edit) 4. Big Change In The Weather (b-side only single) 5. Right Down the Line (US single edit) 6. Home And Dry (US single edit) 7. Night Owl (UK single edit) 8. Take The Money And Run 9. The Way That You Do It 10.Day’s Gone Down (Still Got The Light In Your Eyes) (US single edit) 11.Get It Right Next Time (US single edit) 12.Bring It All Home (UK single edit) 13.The Royal Mile (Sweet Darlin’) 14.In Transit (b-side only single) 15.Garden Of England 16.Sleepwalking Looks promising. You can order direct from Varese Sarabande via their website or the usual online suspects (etailers). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 02 December 2016 at 7:34am
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Aww, man...
Couldn't Varese have stuffed on the stereo single version of Stealers Wheel's "Everyone's Agreed That Everything Will Turn Out Fine"?? I've been waiting for any country to put that out digitally from tape. Does Joe Egan have the master stuffed under his bed? Does Mike Stoller have it in his archives? Does Herb Alpert have it stored at Iron Mountain...? At least I have a clean dub of the stereo promo 45. What a good record. Got a lot of current airplay on the TM 'Stereo Rock' format. Andy |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 24 December 2016 at 6:52pm
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Other note: The UK and European issues of "City To City" are correct speed. United Artists in the USA sped up side one of the USA LP of "City To City". Side 1 on the LP is quite long, and the UK/Europe LP is not automatic turntable friendly as the lead out grooves are close to the label area. My correctly adjusted Pioneer PL-530 has trouble playing the last track without issues. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 25 December 2016 at 5:07pm
I was unaware of this song since it wasn't played in NY (that I know of) so I got a nice clean dub of the stock 45 but to my disappointment commercial copies were mono. I failed to read that detail in the above posts. Bummer. You're right, Andrew, great record. MM |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 10 January 2017 at 8:15pm
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I see Pat posted a review of the new Best Of CD release. Looks like they got all of the 45 edits correct. Kudos to Varese Sarabande. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 25 January 2017 at 7:02pm
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I got to hear four tracks from the new best-of. Sound quality is excellent on those tracks - great dynamic range, nice EQ, hissy fades, and no noise reduction. A wonderful surprise, considering how loud the 2-CD City To City was.
The two tracks from 1979's Night Owl, "Days Gone Down" and "Get It Right Next Time", seem to match my recreations pretty closely and are comparable in sound quality. There's some nice hiss on the fade, so it sounds like these are from the real 45 two-track mixdown tapes. "Right Down The Line" sounds very good, and is from a tape source, but may have a speed error? (I don't have the 45 to compare.) On this CD, it runs at 132.7 BPM throughout (originally recorded with a drum machine, hence the constant tempo). I have a recreation by Aaron that runs 135.9 BPM throughout. Not sure which is correct, or if both are off. "Home And Dry" is most certainly the 45 version, because it's taken from vinyl! It's a good needledrop, with no noise reduction and no truncation of the fade, but you can hear the turntable rumble on the fade. I have a recreation by Aaron that sounds significantly better than the version on this CD. I've only heard these four tracks, but I like what I've heard. A worthy collection for Rafferty-philes. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 January 2017 at 7:55pm
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The 45 is sped up quite a bit compared to a lot of CD/LP copies. My
custom edit matches the 45 speed. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 26 January 2017 at 10:00am
Hmmm--that's a little disappointing. I had tried to make my own edit for this one, but wasn't sure (and still am not sure) where the exact edits come in (I know the intro and the instrumental break should be half as long as the LP version, but where exactly the snips should be I can't tell). Not to mention that you have to slow the file down (which is a little ironic, given the two other "City To City" singles were faster). Deferring to the rabbit ears experts here--can anyone solve this? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 January 2017 at 12:37pm
| I take it "Home and Dry" has unique elements in the mix (?) - because otherwise, it would be wiser to just edit the album version from master tape and do any speeding/slowing necessary to match the 45 speed. |