List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1968
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Topic: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1968
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1968
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 12:29pm
The following is a list of every single that peaked on the Billboard Top 40 chart in 1968 (based on Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication) and also includes the Top 40 hits Pat has included in the database based a composite of other music charts. Through extensive research (and the assistance of many, many posted contributions here on this message board from very helpful board members, especially my good friend Jim a.k.a. "jimct"), I've made my best efforts to determine whether the corresponding commercial 45 release for each single was issued in mono or stereo. This list only accounts for original 45 releases and not later re-issues.
I have posted a mono/stereo 45 list for each year from 1968-1975 (see links below) and hope forum members and fellow music collectors will find these lists to be a useful reference guide. I also highly encourage anyone to let me know if there are any errors, inaccuracies, or omissions so that I can make the necessary corrections.
Mono and Stereo Commercial 45 Releases of Top 40 Singles from 1968
Acklin, Barbara - "Love Makes a Woman" (mono)
Alpert, Herb - "This Guy's in Love with You" (mono)
Alpert, Herb, & the Tijuana Brass - "My Favorite Things" (mono)
Amboy Dukes, The - "Journey to the Center of the Mind" (mono)
American Breed, The - "Bend Me, Shape Me" (mono)
American Breed, The - "Green Light "(mono)
Ames, Ed - "Who Will Answer?" (mono)
Archies, The - "Bang-Shang-a-Lang" (mono)
Association, The - "Everything That Touches You" (mono)
Association, The - "Six Man Band" (mono)
Association, The - "Time for Livin'" (mono)
Avant-Garde, The - "Naturally Stoned" (mono)
Balloon Farm, The - "A Question of Temperature" (mono)
Beach Boys, The - "Darlin'" (mono)
Beach Boys, The - "Do It Again" (mono)
Beach Boys, The - "Friends" (mono and stereo)
Beatles, The - "Hey Jude" (mono)
Beatles, The - "Lady Madonna" (mono)
Beatles, The - "Revolution" (mono)
Bee Gees - "I've Gotta Get a Message to You" (mono)
Bee Gees - "Words" (mono)
Bell, Archie, & the Drells - "I Can't Stop Dancing" (mono)
Bell, Archie, & the Drells - "Tighten Up" (mono)
Bell, Madeline - "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" (mono)
Big Brother & the Holding Company - "Piece of My Heart" (mono)
Blue Cheer - "Summertime Blues" (mono and stereo)
Booker T. & the MG's - "Soul-Limbo" (mono)
Box Tops, The - "Choo Choo Train" (mono)
Box Tops, The - "Cry Like a Baby" (mono)
Box Tops, The - "I Met Her in Church" (mono)
Boyce, Tommy, & Mike Hart - "Alice Long (You're Still My Favorite Girlfriend)" (mono)
Boyce, Tommy, & Mike Hart - "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonite" (mono)
Brown, Arthur, The Crazy World of - "Fire" (mono)
Brown, James - "Goodbye My Love" (mono)
Brown, James - "Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud (Part 1)" (mono and stereo)
Brown, James, and the Famous Flames - "I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me)" (mono)
Brown, James, and the Famous Flames - "I Got the Feelin'" (mono)
Brown, James, and the Famous Flames - "Licking Stick - Licking Stick (Part 1)" (mono)
Brown, James, and the Famous Flames - "There Was a Time" (mono)
Buckinghams, The - "Susan" (mono)
Bull & the Matadors - "The Funky Judge" (mono)
Burdon, Eric, & the Animals - "Monterey" (mono)
Burdon, Eric, & the Animals - "Sky Pilot (Part One)" (mono and stereo)
Butler, Jerry - "Never Give You Up" (mono)
Butler, Jerry - "Hey, Western Union Man" (mono)
Canned Heat - "On the Road Again" (mono)
Campbell, Glen - "Dreams of the Everyday Housewife" (mono)
Campbell, Glen - "Gentle on My Mind" (mono)
Campbell, Glen - "I Wanna Live" (mono)
Cargill, Henson - "Skip a Rope" (mono)
Carr, Vikki - "The Lesson" (mono)
Carter, Clarence - "Slip Away" (mono)
Cash, Johnny - "Folsom Prison Blues" (mono)
Chambers Brothers, The - "I Can Turn You Loose" (mono)
Chambers Brothers, The - "Time Has Come Today" (mono)
Chandler, Gene, and Barbara Acklin - "From the Teacher to the Preacher" (mono)
Charles, Ray - Eleanor Rigby (mono)
Clark, Petula - "Don't Give Up" (mono)
Clark, Petula - "Kiss Me Goodbye" (mono)
Classics IV - "Spooky" (mono)
Classics IV featuring Dennis Yost - "Stormy" (mono)
Collins, Judy - "Both Sides Now" (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label)
Conley, Arthur - "Funky Street" (mono)
Cowsills, The - "Indian Lake" (mono)
Cowsills, The - "Poor Baby" (mono)
Cowsills, The - "We Can Fly" (mono)
Cream - "White Room" (mono)
Cream, The - "Sunshine of Your Love" (mono)
Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Suzie Q (Part One)" (mono)
Deep Purple - "Hush" (mono)
Deep Purple - "Kentucky Woman" (mono)
Delfonics, The - "Break Your Promise" (mono)
Delfonics, The - "La - La - Means I Love You" (mono)
Dells, The - "Always Together" (mono)
Dells, The - "Stay in My Corner" (mono)
Dells, The - "There Is" (mono)
Dion - "Abraham, Martin & John" (mono)
Donovan - "Hurdy Gurdy Man" (mono)
Donovan - "Jennifer Juniper" (mono)
Donovan - "Lalena" (mono)
Doors, The - "Hello, I Love You" (stereo)
Doors, The - "Love Me Two Times" (mono)
Doors, The - "The Unknown Soldier" (mono)
Equals, The - "Baby, Come Back" (mono)
Fame, Georgie, and the Blue Flames - "The Ballad of Bonnie and Clyde" (mono)
Fantastic Johnny C, The - "Hitch It to the Horse" (mono)
Fardon, Don - "(The Lament of the Cherokee) Indian Reservation" (mono)
Feliciano, Jose - "Hi-Heel Sneakers" (mono)
Feliciano, Jose - "Light My Fire" (mono)
5th Dimension, The - "Carpet Man" (mono)
5th Dimension, The - "Stoned Soul Picnic (mono)
5th Dimension, The - "Sweet Blindness" (stereo)
Fireballs, The - "Bottle of Wine" (mono)
First Edition, The - "Just Dropped in (to See What Condition My Condition Was In)" (mono)
Floyd, Eddie - "Bring It on Home to Me" (mono)
Floyd, Eddie - "I've Never Found a Girl (to Love Me Like You Do)" (mono)
Foundations, The - "Baby, Now That I've Found You" (mono)
Four Jacks and a Jill - "Master Jack" (mono)
4 Seasons, The - "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" (mono)
Four Tops - "If I Were a Carpenter" (mono)
Four Tops - "Walk Away Renee" (mono)
Four Tops - "Yesterday's Dreams" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "Ain't No Way" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "Chain of Fools" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "The House That Jack Built" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "I Say a Little Prayer" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "See Saw" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "(Sweet Sweet Baby) Since You've Been Gone" (mono)
Franklin, Aretha - "Think" (mono)
Fred, John, & His Playboy Band - "Judy in Disguise (with Glasses)" (mono)
Friend and Lover - "Reach out of the Darkness" (mono)
Frost, Max, and the Troopers - "Shape of Things to Come" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin - "Chained" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin - "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin - "You" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin, & Tammi Terrell - "Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin, & Tammi Terrell - "If I Could Build My Whole World Around You" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin, & Tammi Terrell - "Keep on Lovin' Me Honey" (mono)
Gaye, Marvin, & Tammi Terrell - "You're All I Need to Get By" (mono)
Gene & Debbe - "Playboy" (mono)
Goldsboro, Bobby - "Autumn of My Life" (mono)
Goldsboro, Bobby - "Honey" (mono)
Goldsboro, Bobby - "The Straight Life" (mono)
Grass Roots, The - "Midnight Confessions" (mono)
Harris, Richard - "MacArthur Park" (mono)
Hendrix, Jimi, The, Experience - "All Along the Watchtower" (mono)
Hendrix, Jimi, The, Experience - "Crosstown Traffic" (mono)
Herman's Hermits - "I Can Take or Leave Your Loving" (mono)
Hesitations, The - "Born Free" (mono)
Hollies, The - "Jennifer Eccles" (mono)
Hopkin, Mary - "Those Were the Days" (mono)
Human Beinz, The - "Nobody but Me" (mono)
Humperdinck, Engelbert - "Am I That Easy to Forget" (mono)
Humperdinck, Engelbert - "Les Bicyclettes de Belsize" (mono)
Humperdinck, Engelbert - "A Man Without Love(Quando M'innamoro)" (mono)
Impressions, The - "Fool for You" (mono)
Impressions, The - "We're a Winner" (mono)
Intruders, The - "Cowboys to Girls" (mono)
Intruders, The - (Love Is Like a) Baseball Game" (mono)
Irish Rovers, The - "The Unicorn" (mono)
Iron Butterfly - "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida" (mono)
James, Etta - "Security" (mono)
James, Etta - "Tell Mama" (mono)
James, Tommy, and the Shondells - "Do Something to Me" (mono)
James, Tommy, and the Shondells - "Get out Now" (mono)
James, Tommy, and the Shondells - "Mony Mony" (mono)
Jay and the Techniques - "Strawberry Shortcake" (mono)
John, Robert - "If You Don't Want My Love" (mono)
Jones, Tom - "Delilah" (mono and stereo)
Jones, Tom - "Help Yourself" (mono)
Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus - "Quick Joey Small (Run Joey Run)" (mono)
Kim, Andy - "How'd We Ever Get This Way" (mono)
Kim, Andy - "Shoot'em Up, Baby" (mono)
King, B.B. - "Paying the Cost to Be the Boss" (mono)
Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "The End of Our Road" (mono)
Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "It Should Have Been Me" (mono)
Leapy Lee - "Little Arrows" (mono)
Lefevre, Raymond - "Ame Caline (Soul Coaxing)" (mono)
Lemon Pipers, The - "Green Tambourine" (mono)
Lettermen, The - "Goin' out of My Head/Can't Take My Eyes off You" (mono)
Lewis, Gary, and the Playboys - "Sealed with a Kiss" (mono)
Long, Shorty - "Here Comes the Judge" (mono)
Lulu - "Best of Both Worlds" (mono)
Magic Lanterns - "Shame, Shame" (mono)
Mama Cass with the Mamas & the Papas - "Dream a Little Dream of Me" (mono)
Manfred Mann - "Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)" (mono)
Markham, Pigmeat - "Here Comes the Judge" (mono)
Marvelettes, The - "My Baby Must Be a Magician" (mono)
Masakela, Hugh - "Grazing in the Grass" (mono)
Mauriat, Paul, and His Orchestra - "Love Is Blue" (mono)
Medley, Bill - "Brown Eyed Woman" (mono)
Mendes, Sergio, & Brasil '66 - "The Fool on the Hill" (mono)
Mendes, Sergio, & Brasil '66 - "The Look of Love" (mono)
Mendes, Sergio, & Brasil '66 - "Scarborough Fair" (mono)
Miller, Roger - "Little Green Apples" (mono)
Mills Brothers, The - "Cab Driver" (mono)
Mitchell, Willie - "Soul Serenade" (mono)
Monkees, The - "D.W. Washburn" (mono)
Monkees, The - "Tapioca Tundra" (mono)
Monkees, The - "Valleri" (mono)
Montenegro, Hugo, His Orchestra and Chorus - "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" (mono)
Moody Blues, The - "Tuesday Afternoon (Forever Afternoon)" (mono)
Nash, Johnny - "Hold Me Tight" (mono)
New Colony Six - "I Will Always Think About You" (mono)
1910 Fruitgum Co. - "Goody Goody Gumdrops" (mono)
1910 Fruitgum Co. - "1, 2, 3, Red Light" (mono)
1910 Fruitgum Co. - "Simon Says" (mono)
Nobles, Cliff, & Co. - "The Horse" (mono)
Ohio Express - "Chewy Chewy" (mono)
Ohio Express - "Down at Lulu's" (mono)
Ohio Express - "Yummy Yummy Yummy" (mono)
O'Kaysions, The - "Girl Watcher" (mono)
Peaches & Herb - "Two Little Kids" (mono)
Peaches & Herb - "United" (mono)
People - "I Love You" (mono)
Pickett, Wilson - "I'm a Midnight Mover" (mono)
Pickett, Wilson - "She's Lookin' Good" (stereo)
Pitney, Gene - "She's a Heartbreaker" (mono)
Presley, Elvis - "Guitar Man" [original version] (mono)
Presley, Elvis, with the Jordanaires - "U.S. Male" (mono)
Puckett, Gary, and the Union Gap - "Lady Willpower" (mono)
Puckett, Gary, and the Union Gap - "Over You" (mono)
Puckett, Gary, and the Union Gap - "Woman, Woman" (mono)
Puckett, Gary, and the Union Gap - "Young Girl" (mono)
Rascals, The - "People Got to Be Free" (mono)
Rascals, The - "A Beautiful Morning" (stereo)
Rascals, The [The Young Rascals] - "It's Wonderful" (mono)
Redding, Otis - "Amen" (mono)
Redding, Otis - "The Happy Song (Dum-Dum)" (mono)
Redding, Otis - "I've Got Dreams to Remember" (mono)
Redding, Otis - "(Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay" (mono)
Revere, Paul, and the Raiders featuring Mark Lindsay - "Don't Take It So Hard" (mono)
Revere, Paul, and the Raiders featuring Mark Lindsay - "Too Much Talk" (mono)
Riley, Jeannie C. - "Harper Valley P.T.A." (mono)
Rivers, Johnny - "Look to Your Soul" (mono)
Rivers, Johnny - "Summer Rain" (mono)
Robinson, Smokey, & the Miracles - "If You Can Want" (mono)
Robinson, Smokey, & the Miracles - "Special Occasion" (mono)
Robinson, Smokey, & the Miracles - "Yester Love" (mono)
Rolling Stones, The - "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (mono)
Rolling Stones, The - "She's a Rainbow" (mono)
Rolling Stones, The - "Street Fighting Man" (mono)
Ross, Diana, and the Supremes - "Forever Came Today" (mono)
Ross, Diana, and the Supremes - "Love Child" (mono)
Ross, Diana, and the Supremes - "Some Things You Never Get Used To" (mono)
Rush, Merrillee, & the Turnabouts - "Angel of the Morning" (mono)
Russell, Bobby - "1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero" (mono)
Sam & Dave - "I Thank You" (mono)
Sandpebbles, The - "Love Power" (mono)
Schifren, Lalo - "Mission-Impossible" (mono)
Scott, Peggy, & Jo Jo Benson - "A Lover's Holiday" (mono)
Scott, Peggy, & Jo Jo Benson - "Pickin' Wild Mountain Berries" (mono)
Simon, Joe - "(You Keep Me) Hangin' On" (mono)
Simon & Garfunkel - "Mrs. Robinson" (mono)
Simon & Garfunkel - "Scarborough Fair/Canticle" (mono)
Sinatra, Frank - "Cycles" (mono)
Sinatra, Nancy, & Lee Hazlewood - "Some Velvet Morning" (mono)
Sledge, Percy - "Take Time to Know Her" (mono)
Sly & the Family Stone - "Dance to the Music" (mono)
Small Faces - "Itchycoo Park" (mono)
Smith, O.C. - "Little Green Apples" (mono)
Smith, O.C. - "The Son of Hickory Holler's Tramp" (mono)
Soul Survivors - "Explosion (in Your Soul)" (mono)
Spanky and Our Gang - "Give a Damn" (mono)
Spanky and Our Gang - "Like to Get to Know You" (mono)
Spanky and Our Gang - "Sunday Mornin'" (mono)
Status Quo, The - "Pictures of Matchstick Men" (mono)
Steppenwolf - "Born to Be Wild" (mono)
Steppenwolf - "Magic Carpet Ride" (mono)
Stevens, Ray - "Mr. Businessman" (mono)
Stone Poneys featuring Linda Ronstadt - "Different Drum" (mono)
Strawberry Alarm Clock - "Tomorrow" (mono)
Sweet Inspirations, The - "Sweet Inspiration" (mono)
Taylor, Bobby, & the Vancouvers - "Does Your Mama Know About Me" (mono)
Taylor, Johnnie - "Who's Making Love" (mono)
Temptations, The - "I Could Never Love Another (After Loving You)" (mono)
Temptations, The - "I Wish It Would Rain" (mono)
Temptations, The - "Please Return Your Love to Me" (mono)
Tex, Joe - "Men Are Gettin' Scarce" (mono)
Thomas, B.J. - "The Eyes of a New York Woman" (mono)
Tiny Tim - "Tip-Toe Thru' the Tulips with Me" (mono)
Tremeloes, The - "Suddenly You Love Me" (mono)
Troggs, The - "Love Is All Around" (mono)
Turtles, The - "Elenore" (mono)
Tymes, The - "People" (mono)
Unifics, The - "Court of Love" (mono)
Valli, Frankie - "To Give (the Reason I Live)" (mono)
Vanilla Fudge - "Take Me for a Little While" (mono)
Vanilla Fudge - "You Keep Me Hangin' On" (mono)
Vee, Bobby - "My Girl/Hey Girl" (mono)
Vera, Billy - "With Pen in Hand" (mono)
Vera, Billy, & Judy Clay - "Country Girl - City Man" (mono)
Vinton, Bobby - "Halfway to Paradise" (mono)
Vinton, Bobby - "I Love How You Love Me" (mono)
Vinton, Bobby - "Just as Much as Ever" (mono)
Vinton, Bobby - "Take Good Care of My Baby" (mono)
Vogues, The - "My Special Angel" (mono)
Vogues, The - "Till" (mono)
Vogues, The - "Turn Around, Look at Me" (mono)
Walker, Jr., & the All Stars - "Come See About Me" (mono)
Walker, Jr., & the All Stars - "Hip City - Pt. 2" (mono)
Warwick, Dionne - "Do You Know the Way to San Jose" (mono)
Warwick, Dionne - "Promises, Promises" (mono)
Warwick, Dionne - "Theme from Valley of the Dolls" (mono)
Warwick, Dionne - "Who Is Gonna Love Me?" (mono)
Who, The - "Call Me Lightning" (mono)
Who, The - "Magic Bus" (mono)
Williams, Andy, with the St. Charles Borromeo Choir - "Battle Hymn of the Republic" (mono)
Williams, Mason - "Classical Gas" (mono)
Wilson, Al - "The Snake" (mono)
Wilson, Jackie - "I Get the Sweetest Feeling" (mono)
Wilson, Nancy - "Face It Girl, It's Over" (mono)
Wonder, Stevie - "For Once in My Life" (mono)
Wonder, Stevie - "Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Da-Day" (mono)
Wonder, Stevie - "You Met Your Match" (mono)
Wright, Betty - "Girls Can't Do What the Guys Do" (mono)
Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6620&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1969
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Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6627&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1971
Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6628&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1972
Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6637&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1973
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Replies:
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 1:10pm
Todd, I applaud you putting this list together, and I truly look forward to
1969-1974. I had tossed out a hint or two a while back that I would like to
see such lists, however it is not possible for me to compile one, nor did it
seem to excite much interest. It will be nice to see just how fast stereo took
over as the norm and when.
thanks so much!
------------- dc1
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Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 4:32pm
Ed Ames, Glen Campbell, Henson Cargill, Engelbert Humperdinck, Joe Simon
and Billy Vera are all in mono (based on original 45s--if you need specific
45 labels/numbers and/or inner ring info, please let me know.
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 5:40pm
Todd, how did you miss James Brown's "Say It Loud, I'm
Black And I'm Proud", which was a stereo single.
It was a Billboard Top 10 single.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 6:33pm
Nice work, Todd! A few more I can confirm:
Carr, Vikki - "The Lesson" (mono)
Kim, Andy - "Shoot'Em Up, Baby" (mono)
Pickett, Wilson - "I'm A Midnight Mover" (mono)
Rivers, Johnny - "Look To Your Soul" (mono)
And, based on the previous discussion in David's "stereo vs. mono 45s" thread:
Brown, James - "Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud (Part 1)" (mono and stereo)
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 8:14pm
Thank you Todd!
One thing you may want to incorporate is although many of the copies of "Sky Pilot" say 'Saturation Sound plays stereo or mono' some of the copies only play in mono...
Andy
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 8:49pm
Fantastic list, Todd! I've always wanted to have such a reference, but didn't think I was capable of compiling one myself. Bravo!
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 9:02pm
Blue Cheer - "Summertime Blues" (mono and stereo.)
The A-side of the commercial copy I bought when the song first hit plays stereo (B-side was mono.) Both sides of a second commercial copy on the identical label play mono.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 January 2012 at 10:17pm
Thanks everyone for all your feedback and valuable input! I've gone back and incorporated the new information into the master list. This leaves Bill Medley's "Brown Eyed Woman" and Frank Sinatra's "Cycles" as the only 45s left without a confirmed mix designation.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 19 January 2012 at 6:49am
My copy of "Cycles" is a promo, and is mono.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 January 2012 at 3:21pm
I suspect the commercial 45 of "Cycles" is in mono as well, so hopefully someone who has a copy will come forward and confirm for certain.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 January 2012 at 6:31pm
I find this interesting... It's been documented at another music forum that some copies of Tom Jones' "Delilah" were issued in stereo.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 9:51am
Todd Ireland wrote:
I find this interesting... It's been documented at another music forum that some copies of Tom Jones' "Delilah" were issued in stereo. |
Actually, it was documented http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5605&KW=Delilah - here , YahShure posted a link to a label scan of his stereo promo.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 5:24pm
I did read about the stereo promo 45 info provided by Yah Shure in the thread you cited, Hykker, but I should clarify that I was referring to commercial 45 copies in my previous post. According to at least one poster on Steve Hoffman's message board forum, some commercial 45 pressings of "Delilah" were in stereo.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 5:45pm
Speaking of London stereo singles from 1968, I once read a discussion somewhere that there were 2 different pressings of the Stones' "Street Fighting Man"...one in mono, the other a slightly different mix in stereo. My copy's a promo and is mono.
Anyone here have one of the stereo ones?
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 6:37pm
My commercial Reprise single of "Cycles" is mono. It is another Columbia pressing.
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Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 8:04pm
Hykker wrote:
Speaking of London stereo singles from 1968, I once read a discussion somewhere that there were 2 different pressings of the Stones' "Street Fighting Man"...one in mono, the other a slightly different mix in stereo. My copy's a promo and is mono.
Anyone here have one of the stereo ones? |
Yes, indeed! It's the standard London orange label promo of that era and both sides are stereo, though Flash is narrow. Flash is edited to 2:42 and Moon is 3:10, according to the labels. The Flash dead wax reads 6942 SDJ (although the label says 69-42 SDJ) and Moon is 6943 SDJ (label reads 69-43 SDJ).
GM
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 11:14pm
Many thanks, KentT! Only one more single without a mono/stereo notation remains.
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 7:06pm
Bill Medley-Brown Eyed Woman is mono on the commercial single.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 6:43am
Awesome, KentT! That takes care of the 1968 list!
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Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 5:49pm
First, a belated "kudos" to you, Todd, for compiling these mono/stereo 45 lists back in January/February. Although I don't collect many 45s, I do find the info quite interesting, especially since the later years cross well into the period of music that I like to collect...
I know I haven't chimed in in a while, but I recently did business w/ a seller on eBay who I noticed has a fair number of pre-1970 U.S. stock 45s for sale/auction in STEREO, and I immediately recalled this board and your lists. In fact, he has nearly 30 currently listed; a few are "Buy It Now", but most are up for auction (starting at less than $10), and end in about six days (on Tuesday the 21st). There must be some rarities here, so for you "45 collectors" :-), here's a chronological list of what he has; his user i.d. is "former-radio-dj", and he's supplied excellent scans of both sides of all of the records:
top 40 hits (inc. in Pat's database):
1958: "(All of a Sudden) My Heart Sings" - PAUL ANKA (ABC-PARAMOUNT 9987) (#15 Billboard/#12 Cash Box)
1959: "Lonely Boy" - PAUL ANKA (ABC-PARAMOUNT 10,022) (#1 Billboard/#1 Cash Box)
1959: "Everybody Likes to Cha Cha Cha" - SAM COOKE (KEEN 2018) (#31 Billboard/#29 Cash Box)
1959: "Only Sixteen" - SAM COOKE (KEEN 2022) (#28 Billboard/#32 Cash Box)
1959: "Kookie, Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb)" w/ PS - EDWARD BYRNES & CONNIE STEVENS (WARNER BROS. 5047) (#4 Billboard/#3 Cash Box)
1959: "Where Were You (On Our Wedding Day)?" - LLOYD PRICE (ABC-PARAMOUNT 9997) (#23 Billboard/#19 Cash Box)
1959: "Come into My Heart" - LLOYD PRICE (ABC-PARAMOUNT 10,062) (#20 Billboard/#16 Cash Box)
1959: "Quiet Village" - MARTIN DENNY (LIBERTY 77162) (#4 Billboard/#3 Cash Box)
1959: "Turn Me Loose" - FABIAN (CHANCELLOR 1033) (#9 Billboard/#8 Cash Box)
1959: "Come On and Get Me" - FABIAN (CHANCELLOR 1041) (#29 Billboard/#34 Cash Box)
1959: "Hound Dog Man" w/ PS - FABIAN (CHANCELLOR 1044) (#9 Billboard/#11 Cash Box)
1959: "Bobby Sox to Stockings" - FRANKIE AVALON (CHANCELLOR 1036) (#8 Billboard/#7 Cash Box)
1959: "The Battle of Kookamonga" - HOMER AND JETHRO (RCA VICTOR 7585) (#14 Billboard/#16 Cash Box)
1959: "Ring-a-Ling-a-Lario" - JIMMIE RODGERS (ROULETTE 4158) (#32 Billboard/#38 Cash Box)
1959: "Tucumcari" - JIMMIE RODGERS (ROULETTE 4191) (#32 Billboard/#34 Cash Box)
1969: "Gitarzan" - RAY STEVENS (MONUMENT 1131) (#8 Billboard/#7 Cash Box)
non-top 40 hits (not in Pat's database):
1958: "Love Makes the World Go 'Round" - PERRY COMO (RCA VICTOR 7353) (#33 Billboard/#46 Cash Box)
1959: "Nola" - THE MORGAN BROTHERS (MGM 50,116) (#50 Billboard/#44 Cash Box)
1959: "You Don't Know Girls" - KATHY LINDEN (FELSTED 8587) (#92 Billboard/A-side #84 Cash Box)
1959: "A Prayer and a Juke Box" - LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS (END 1047) (#81 Billboard/#71 Cash Box)
1959: "The Madison" - BILL DOGGETT (KING 5204) (DNC Billboard/DNC Cash Box)
1960: "Delia Gone" - PAT BOONE (DOT 226) (#66 Billboard/#86 Cash Box)
1960: "Everyday" - DELLA REESE (RCA VICTOR 7750) (DNC Billboard/#82 Cash Box)
1962: "Rosie, Why Do You Wear My Ring" - KENNY DINO (MUSICOR 1015) (DNC Billboard/DNC Cash Box)
1962: "Joey Baby" - ANITA (KERR) AND TH' SO-AND-SO'S (RCA VICTOR 7974) (#91 Billboard/DNC Cash Box)
1963: "A Stranger in Your Town" - THE SHACKLEFORDS (MERCURY 72112) (#70 Billboard/#71 Cash Box)
1964: "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" - THE DOLPHINS (FRATERNITY 937) (#69 Billboard/#69 Cash Box)
Some B-sides of the above 45s charted as well, but I only gave the peak positions of the A-sides (DNC = "did not chart"). I don't know if ALL copies of the commercial pressings of these 45s were stereo, but clearly some weren't, as I noticed several of the above have different catalog nos. (or prefixes) vs. their mono counterparts. I do know that the stereo 45 of "Gitarzan" is rare, and has been discussed on this board a couple of times, so if you've been looking for one, now's your chance. :-) I have no intention of buying or bidding on any of these myself, but thought there would probably be some folks here who would, and perhaps start a supplement of earlier hits to your list, Todd. It appears that 1959 was THE year that the record labels made their first serious attempt at pushing stereo 45s; you may want to try compiling a list of the top 40 hits from that year, too - surely the results would top the figure of 3.1% that you came up w/ for 1968, but probably not the 19.1% for 1969...
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 6:35pm
80smusicfreak wrote:
I recently did business w/ a seller on eBay who I noticed has a fair number of pre-1970 U.S. stock 45s for sale/auction in STEREO...
1964: "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" - THE DOLPHINS (FRATERNITY 937) (#69 Billboard/#69 Cash Box) |
Whoops. "Former-radio-dj" claims his copy of "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" is both "rare" and "extremely rare" (never mind that there are several dozen other copies available from other eBay sellers) but one thing it is not is stereo. "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" went top-five on both of the Minneapolis-St. Paul top 40 stations, and all three commercial 45 copies I have are in extremely common mono.
His own scan proves the point: the Fraternity 45 was pressed by RCA, and the "M" in the RK5M-6093 matrix number on the label indicates a mono recording.
Make sure the goods are what the seller claims them to be. Is it truly stereo? Is it rare, medium-rare or well-done? :)
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 6:46pm
80smusicfreak wrote:
It appears that 1959 was THE year that the record labels made their first serious attempt at pushing stereo 45s; you may want to try compiling a list of the top 40 hits from that year, too - surely the results would top the figure of 3.1% that you came up w/ for 1968, but probably not the 19.1% for 1969... |
You're correct that a limited number of 45 pressings were issued in stereo in 1959, but I'm pretty certain every Top 40 hit on commercial 45 prior to 1968 was primarily made available in mono. If I'm wrong, I hope someone will set the record straight.
Since I consider the mono mixes to be the "official" 45 releases in years like 1959, I'm not really interested in compiling such a stereo 45 list at this time. But if anyone else would like to volunteer to undertake the project, then by all means have at it!
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 7:13pm
Todd Ireland wrote:
You're correct that a limited number of 45 pressings were issued in stereo in 1959, but I'm pretty certain every Top 40 hit on commercial 45 prior to 1968 was primarily made available in mono. |
This is correct. Every stereo 45 offered during that first wave had a mono counterpart. A typical monaural phonograph cartridge from 1959 would have shredded a stereo record on its first play.
Stereo 45s also cost more at retail than the mono copies, and the labels weren't keen on blowing off young consumers who often only had so much allowance to spend on records.
Another reason for keeping the mono 45s the "official" 45s was that many of the stereo 45s from that era were re-recordings, done specifically for the stereo single after the original mono recording had become a hit.
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 7:50pm
Thanks, I appreciate the clarification, Yah Shure.
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 1:05am
I looked at that sellers ended auctions and my jaw dropped right open. First, he had a copy of the stereo 45 of Souvenirs by Barbara Evans on RCA, which I've found to be extremely elusive...last time I saw one up for sale I lost out a bid much higher than this one ended at. I've since acquired that one in stereo on a boot cd via ebay.... second, I see he had sold a stereo 45 of Cuckoo Girl by Chico Holiday (also on RCA) which I had no idea even existed (if anyone has this in stereo please let me know).
While I'm on the topic of obscure RCA singles in stereo, the biggest stereo want on my list may or may not have been issued on a stereo 45. I have stereo 45s by the Ames Brothers from before AND after the release of A Happy Pair b/w Carnival (RCA 47-7742 on the mono 45) but I have never heard of a stereo 45 existing for this release... if anyone has it I am interested in acquiring either the actual stereo 45 or dubs of the stereo 45. There are other later singles of theirs on RCA that may or may not have had stereo issues but right now this has been the one I have most wanted to acquire.
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 5:52am
The main audience for Stereo 45 singles pre-1968 was jukebox operators. Occasionally ordinary people bought them specially ordered. They cost extra and weren't playable on mono phonographs unless they were modified for Stereo record playback. Usually involved changing cartridge and lowering tracking weight to 5 grams or less. P.S. These early Stereo 45 singles were pressed in very tiny numbers compared to their mono counterparts. Often one pressing run of 5,000-7,500 or so was it.
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 5:58am
Yah Shure wrote:
Whoops. "Former-radio-dj" claims his copy of "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" is both "rare" and "extremely rare" (never mind that there are several dozen other copies available from other eBay sellers) but one thing it is not is stereo. |
I forget his handle, but there is one seller on Gemm that lists almost everything he sells as being "rare", even extrememly common stuff.
Yah Shure wrote:
This is correct. Every stereo 45 offered during that first wave had a mono counterpart. A typical monaural phonograph cartridge from 1959 would have shredded a stereo record on its first play.
Stereo 45s also cost more at retail than the mono copies, and the labels weren't keen on blowing off young consumers who often only had so much allowance to spend on records.
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I was only 8 years old in 1959 and not really buying many records yet, but it's my understanding that stereo singles were not widely available back then...only certain stores carried them.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 10:31am
Hykker wrote:
I forget his handle, but there is one seller on Gemm that lists almost everything he sells as being "rare", even extrememly common stuff. |
I laughed out loud when I ran across someone who'd posted Kiss' "Detroit City Rock" on Napster as the "very rare 45 version." That typical eBay "everything is rare" tactic struck me as being particularly preposterous when used within the context of a file sharing site. It wasn't going to stay "very rare" for long!
So I needle-dropped one of my original "DCR" A-side promo 45s, then posted it as the "very common 45 version." :)
Hykker wrote:
I was only 8 years old in 1959 and not really buying many records yet, but it's my understanding that stereo singles were not widely available back then...only certain stores carried them. |
Mom never told me I had an 8-year-old twin brother in 1959. Can I still trade in my slightly-older 1950 model? :) My sibs and I had begun buying 45s in 1957 and I never recall seeing any stereo singles in our local record emporium. Then again, the 45s were all kept behind the counter and you had to ask for them by title or artist. And that tall counter seemed as imposing as the Empire State Building to an 8-year-old.
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Posted By: Edoz
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 8:32am
Back to 1968: In looking at The Rascals singles, I see that "It's Wonderful" (#2463) is a mono commercial single, followed by "A Beautiful Morning" (#2493)" in stereo, and then "People Got To Be Free" (#2537) which is back to mono.
The mono releases continue until "See" (#2634) which is in stereo.
The master numbers of the A-sides after ABM are higher so why the anomaly of it being in stereo and singles after it being in mono?
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Posted By: Edoz
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 8:37am
More on 1968 & ABM: The single label reads "Compatible Mono & Stereo:" in other words Atlantic's CSG processing of mono masters. Could it be that ABM is not, in fact, true stereo but faux?
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 11:45am
Edoz wrote:
More on 1968 & ABM: The single label reads "Compatible Mono & Stereo:" in other words Atlantic's CSG processing of mono masters. Could it be that ABM is not, in fact, true stereo but faux? |
Welcome to the non-lurking side of the board, Edoz!
The bolded part of your above statement is incorrect. The key is in the exact wording on the label. Some CSG-processed Atlantic stock 45s, such as #2493, ABM ("Anti-Ballistic Missile"?) state "Compatible Mono & Stereo." Others, such as #2676 ("Suite: Judy Blue Eyes") say "CSG Processed Mono Master."
The former is most definitely true stereo on my stock 45; the latter is definitely mono. The Rascals 45 is basically the true stereo mix, except that the phase of one of the channels was shifted by 90 degrees. In spite of the wonky-sounding result (when played back in stereo), the mix remains in true stereo.
CSN's "SJBE" followed the same process, with one additional step: the final, phase-shifted stereo result was then summed to mono. That's where they came up with the so-called "CSG processed mono master" reference. It does not mean that the record was sourced from a dedicated mono mix. It was simply a way for them to cut a balanced-sounding mix for mono AM radio - sourced from the true stereo mix - without the added time and expense of producing a dedicated mono mix.
So why bother, you ask? Wouldn't playing back a CSG-processed stereo 45 in mono yield the same result as the "CSG-processed mono master"? Pretty much, yes. The advantage in folding the CSG mix down to mono was that it could be cut to disc at a slightly louder volume than a similar stereo counterpart. Given Judy Blue Eyes' 4:35 stated length, its comparatively low volume was still higher than it would have been, had they left it in stereo and issued it as "Compatible Mono & Stereo."
The record labels were just beginning to dip their collective toes into the commercial stereo 45 marketplace at the time, hence the seemingly scattershot approach, where a few stock stereo 45s were released here and there, while the vast majority of the pool remained mono. Buddah issued several "Dual 45" stereo stocks, then largely returned to mono for awhile. Columbia let a few stereo stock 45s out of the gate in early 1970 before doing so on a wider basis. Ditto with many other companies. Even the Atlantic family continued to issue dedicated mono mixes on the majority of its 45s.
Better that they release a few guinea pigs first to determine full end-user compatibility than to dive into it whole hog and then wind up with loud complaints from the jukebox industry, one of the largest buyers of commercial 45s. At the time, not all jukeboxes were equipped to play the stereo 33 1/3 RPM 7-inch EPs/Little LPs produced exclusively for that industry.
Another thing to consider is that dedicated mono mixes were still being done for 45s. If it was determined that the mono single mix of a given title possessed the exact magic they were looking for, it would make sense for the commercial 45 to be issued in mono, even though the preceding single for that particular artist or group may have been issued in stereo.
It was a transitional period, so there were no hard and fast rules. Above all else, we're talking about the American record industry, where plenty of things didn't seem to make sense. ;)
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 12:14pm
Thanks for that post, Yah Shure!
Now, I have a question for Todd (and, BTW, thanks for
your exhaustive, invaluable work):
Brown, James - "Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud
(Part 1)" (mono and stereo)
Is the mono 45 a foldover of the stereo mix? For some
reason, the stereo mix sounds different than what I
remember the 45 to have been. In the next few days, I
will search for that mono 45.
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Posted By: Edoz
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 5:35pm
Thanks, Yah Sure!
BTW: "ABM" = A Beautiful Morning. Got carried away with my typing shorthand.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 8:02pm
Edoz wrote:
BTW: "ABM" = A Beautiful Morning. Got carried away with my typing shorthand.
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No problem! Since you'd typed out the full title in your initial post, I did figure it out. And besides, I don't have an Atlantic stock 45 called "Anti-Ballistic Missile" that I'm aware of. ;)
But to be honest, song title acronyms often do throw me for an initial loop, particularly if the full title isn't mentioned first. On another forum that leans heavily classic album rock, sometimes the initial posts only include an acronym, with the OP presuming everyone reading knows what title or artist it's supposed to represent. It took awhile, but I finally learned that AWSOP refers to "A Wider Spade Of Pail." ;)
By the way, you mentioned the Rascals' "See" 45 being in stereo. The label on the "See" stock 45 simply says "Stereo Master." The DJ 45 states "Mono Master" on both the "A" and "Away Away" B-side. In this case, the stereo stock 45 is true stereo, with no CSG processing at all.
The "See" DJ 45 is neither a CSG-processed fold-down of the stereo version, nor a straight fold-down of the stereo mix. It's an actual dedicated mono mix, with the vocals mixed WAAAY upfront, so shrill that they curl one's toes and make one's ears bleed. On the surface, this might have been one case where a CSG "Compatible Mono & Stereo" 45 would have been a better option, but aside from the shrillness of the vocals, the dedicated mono DJ 45 mix did a better job of cutting through the AM environment, as it was designed to do.
Atlantic made the right call in releasing "See" in stereo commercially and in a dedicated mono mix to radio. But that decison also proved that they still weren't 100% sold on Haeco-CSG technology, even into 1969.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 July 2016 at 8:27pm
The Hits Man wrote:
In the next few days, I
will search for that mono 45. |
Grant, do you mean your "Say It Loud" 45 is mono, or did you mean that you were going to hunt down a mono 45? The reason I ask is because when the subject of this 45 originally arose on the "stereo vs. mono 45s" thread over five years ago, you'd said, and I quote: "Mine's stereo."
My 45 is mono, so I just compared it with the stereo "Part 1" on the 20 All Time Greatest Hits! Polydor CD. To answer your question, it does sound like the mono 45 is a fold of the stereo mix.
Which is too bad, in a way: the "I'm black and I'm proud" responses to JB's "say it loud" exhortations are all panned right on the stereo mix, so when they're summed to mono, they're not as loud on the mono 45 as they could have been, had it been a dedicated mono mix!
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 23 July 2016 at 10:15am
I mean that I'll have to look for a mono 45.
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 05 January 2018 at 10:06am
Can anyone here confirm the exact timing on the mono 45 of
Sergio Mendes & Brazil '66 "Fool On The Hill"?
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 05 January 2018 at 2:48pm
Yah Shure wrote:
So why bother, you ask? Wouldn't playing back a CSG-
processed stereo 45 in mono yield the same result as the
"CSG-processed mono master"? Pretty much, yes. The
advantage in folding the CSG mix down to mono was that it
could be cut to disc at a slightly louder volume than a
similar stereo counterpart. Given Judy Blue Eyes' 4:35
stated length, its comparatively low volume was still
higher than it would have been, had they left it in
stereo and issued it as "Compatible Mono & Stereo."
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Thickening the plot somewhat, my promo of SJBE is double-
A stereo on both sides. No mention of CSG processing.
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Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 05 January 2018 at 4:34pm
My understanding of the CSG Processor is that it had a stereo output and a mono output. I don't know if the mono
output would give you a different result than summing a CSG stereo tape, but I believe if you wanted CSG processed
mono, you'd use that mono output. But I wasn't there when these songs were mastered so I don't know for sure.
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 06 January 2018 at 10:18am
CSG required Stereo safe cartridges, lighter weight
tracking forces, and good tonearms. Same as playing a
Stereo LP or 45 did. Folded down to mono, but not safely
playable on most mono cartridges but very, very few.
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 25 August 2021 at 1:19am
According to our friend AnotherProf, who has posted the 45 of Beach Boys -
Friends, it plays mono. The list here states it was a stereo 45.
I know stereo 45s from Capitol become quite common in 1969, especially after
they'd changed to the red and orange label, but I've never seen a stereo 45 on
the yellow orange swirl label.
So, do we have a case of some 45s were in stereo while others were mono
here?
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 25 August 2021 at 8:16am
davidclark wrote:
I've never seen a stereo 45 on the yellow orange swirl label. |
David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and orange swirl label is in true stereo, even though there's no indication on the label that it is, including the matrix number prefix.
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 25 August 2021 at 8:21pm
I notice that James Brown's "I'm Black And I'm Proud"
isn't on the list and it was a top 10 single.
My question is: was the 45 a stereo or mono release, or
were there both? I have read that it was his first
stereo single.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 26 August 2021 at 10:12am
Grant, "Say It Loud - I'm Black And I'm Proud (Part 1)" is on the list, under "Brown, James" (as opposed to "Brown, James and the Famous Flames".)
This 45 was previously discussed on page 2 of this very thread. My stock copy is mono, and you'd originally stated in an earlier thread that yours was stereo. In this case, the only way to tell for sure would be to give the record a listen, since none of the King label variations pictured under the 45cat listing for this 45 state "stereo".
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 September 2021 at 7:08am
Yah Shure wrote:
davidclark wrote:
I've never seen a stereo 45 on the
yellow orange swirl label. |
David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and
orange swirl label is in true stereo, even though there's no indication on the
label that it is, including the matrix number prefix. |
Nice to know. I've asked the prof about his YouTube post - why it plays mono.
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 September 2021 at 8:04pm
more info: someone on the Hoffman board states that "Friends" was mixed to
mono specifically for the US 45.
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-boys-friends-in -mono.183396/
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 04 September 2021 at 5:07am
Yah Shure wrote:
David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I
Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and orange swirl
label is in true stereo, even though there's no
indication on the label that it is, including the
matrix number prefix. |
As is my promo. I have several other Capitol 45s from
that time period (on the target label) and the promo
is mono, but the stock is stereo.
I've always wondered if ICHM is true stereo or
(E)...has anyone much better at this sort of thing
analyzed this?
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 September 2021 at 7:33am
Hykker wrote:
I've always wondered if ICHM is true
stereo or (E)...has anyone much better at this sort of
thing analyzed this?
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Well, I don't own the first pressing 45, but the
stereo version of "I Can Hear Music" is definitely
true stereo!
What's interesting about it, is the way it was mixed
was about 18 years ahead of its time, in that most of
the sound layers seem to sound individually mixed in
stereo, as opposed to the then-common stereo mixing
technique of, say, rhythm guitar in the left, lead
guitar in the right, bass and vox in the center,
reverb send to the right, etc.
It really harkened back to the prime of Phil Spector's
mono production heyday, albeit in stereo,
I believe Carl Wilson produced the session.
Andy
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 05 September 2021 at 6:15am
AndrewChouffi wrote:
What's interesting about it, is the way it was mixed
was about 18 years ahead of its time, in that most of
the sound layers seem to sound individually mixed in
stereo, as opposed to the then-common stereo mixing
technique of, say, rhythm guitar in the left, lead
guitar in the right, bass and vox in the center,
reverb send to the right, etc. |
That's kind of what made me question it...it's so
unlike most other stereo from the late 60s. Had I not
had the 45 since it was current I would have suspected
a CD era remix.
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 05 September 2021 at 7:11am
Yes, listening to it on speakers the soundstage might
appear narrow.
But listening to it on headphones it's a whole new
world. One can hear some vocals are panned nearly hard-
left while similar vocals are near hard-right,
tambourines in each channel (as opposed to one in the
phantom-center channel).
Andy
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 07 September 2021 at 3:24pm
davidclark wrote:
According to our friend AnotherProf,
who has posted the 45 of Beach Boys -
Friends, it plays mono. The list here states it was a
stereo 45. |
My (promo) copy of "Friends" is mono, I don't have a
commercial copy to compare.
I read somewhere (maybe on an old usenet forum) that
some copies of Glen Campbell's "I Wanna Live" were
stereo. I've never come across one, mine's mono.
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Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 07 September 2021 at 9:26pm
In addition to the discovery that there were indeed mono copies of "Friends", it
seems we have yet another issue, this one with (1969) Unifics - The Beginning
Of My End. If the person in the know regarding the info that it is stereo can
confirm it is indeed stereo, then seems we have another "stereo and mono"
45. It never ends.... :)
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