List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1971
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Topic: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1971
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1971
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 6:50am
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The following is a list of every single that peaked on the Billboard Top 40 chart in 1971 (based on Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication) and also includes the Top 40 hits Pat has included in the database based a composite of other music charts. Through a collaborative effort with my partner-in-crime Jim (a.k.a. "jimct"), we've made our best effort to determine whether the corresponding commercial 45 release for each single was issued in mono or stereo. This list only accounts for original 45 releases and not later re-issues.
I have posted a mono/stereo 45 list for each year from 1968-1975 (see links below) and hope forum members and fellow music collectors will find these lists to be a useful reference guide. I also highly encourage anyone to let me know if there are any errors, inaccuracies, or omissions so that I can make the necessary corrections. Anderson, Lynn - "Rose Garden" (mono) Ashton, Gardner & Dyke - "Resurrection Shuffle" (stereo) Baez, Joan - "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (mono) Bee Gees, The - "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart" (mono) Bee Gees - "Lonely Days" (mono) Beginning of the End, The - "Funky Nassau-Part I" (mono) Bells, The - "Stay Awhile" (mono) Blood, Sweat & Tears - "Go Down Gamblin'" (stereo) Bloodrock - "D.O.A." (stereo) Bread - "Baby I'm - a Want You" (stereo) Bread - "If" (mono) Bread - "Let Your Love Go" (mono) Bread - "Mother Freedom" (mono) Brenda & the Tabulations - "Right on the Tip of My Tongue" (mono) Brewer & Shipley - "One Toke over the Line" (stereo) Brown, James - "Escape-ism (Part 1)" (mono) Brown, James - "Get up, Get Into It, Get Involved Pt. I" (mono) Brown, James - "Hot Pants Pt. 1 (She Got to Use What She Got to Get What She Wants)" (mono) Brown, James - "I'm a Greedy Man - Part I" (mono) Brown, James - "Make It Funky (Part 1)" (mono) Brown, James - "Soul Power Pt. 1" (mono) Buoys, The - "Timothy" (mono) Campbell, Glen - "Dream Baby (How Long Must I Dream)" (stereo) Carpenters - "For All We Know" (stereo) Carpenters - "Rainy Days and Mondays" (stereo) Carpenters - "Superstar" (stereo) Cassidy, David - "Cherish" (mono) C Company featuring Terry Nelson - "Battle Hymn of Lt. Calley" (mono) Chairmen of the Board - "Chairman of the Board" (mono) Chairmen of the Board - "Pay to the Piper" (mono) Charles, Ray - "Don't Change on Me" (mono) Charles, Ray, Orchestra, The - "Booty Butt" (mono) Chase - "Get It On" (mono) Cher - "Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves" (mono) Chicago - "Beginnings" (mono) Chicago - "Colour My World" (mono) Chicago - "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" (mono) Chicago - "Free" (stereo) Chicago - "Lowdown" (stereo) Chicago - "Questions 67 and 68" (stereo) Chi-Lites, The - "(For God's Sake) Give More Power to the People" (stereo) Chi-Lites, The - "Have You Seen Her" (stereo) Clay, Tom - "What the World Needs Now Is Love/Abraham, Martin and John" (mono) Cocker, Joe - "High Time We Went" (mono) Cocker, Joe - "Black-Eyed Blues" (mono) Collins, Dave and Ansil - "Double Barrel" (mono) Collins, Judy - "Amazing Grace" (stereo) Como, Perry - "It's Impossible" (stereo) Cooper, Alice - "Eighteen" (stereo) Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose - "Treat Her Like a Lady" (stereo) Coven - "One Tin Soldier, The Legend of Billy Jack" (stereo) Crane, Les - "Desiderata" (stereo) Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" (mono) Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Hey Tonight" (mono) Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Sweet Hitch-hiker" (mono) Curb, Mike, Congregation - "Burning Bridges" (mono) Cymarron - "Rings" (mono) Daddy Dewdrop - "Chick-a-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It)" (mono) Damon('s), Liz, Orient Express - "1900 Yesterday" (mono) Dawn - "I Play and Sing" (mono) Dawn - "Knock Three Times" (mono) Dawn - "Summer Sand" (mono) Dawn featuring Tony Orlando - "What Are You Doing Sunday" (mono) Delaney & Bonnie - "Only You Know and I Know" (mono) Delaney & Bonnie & Friends - "Never Ending Song of Love" (mono) Dells, The - "The Love We Had (Stays on My Mind)" (mono) Denver, John, with Fat City - "Take Me Home, Country Roads" (stereo) Diamond, Neil - "Crunchy Granola Suite" (stereo) Diamond, Neil - "I Am...I Said" (mono) Diamond, Neil - "Stones" (stereo) Doors, The - "Love Her Madly" (stereo) Doors, The - "Riders on the Storm" (stereo) Dramatics, The - "Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get" (mono) Dylan, Bob - "Watching the River Flow" (mono) Edmunds, Dave - "I Hearing You Knocking" (mono) 8th Day, The - "She's Not Just Another Woman" (mono) 8th Day, The - "You've Got to Crawl (Before You Walk)" (mono) Elbert, Donnie - "Where Did Our Love Go" (mono) Elliman, Yvonne - "I Don't Know How to Love Him" (stereo) Fanny - "Charity Ball" (stereo) 5th Dimension, The - "Light Sings" (mono) 5th Dimension, The - "Love's Lines, Angles, and Rhymes" (mono) 5th Dimension, The - "Never My Love" (mono) Five Man Electrical Band - "Absolutely Right" (stereo) Five Man Electrical Band - "Signs" (mono and stereo) Flack, Roberta, & Donny Hathaway - "You've Got a Friend" (mono) Floyd, King - "Baby Let Me Kiss You" (mono) Floyd, King - "Groove Me" (mono) Fortunes, The - "Here Comes That Rainy Day Feeling Again" (stereo) Four Tops - "Just Seven Numbers (Can Straighten out My Life)" (mono) Four Tops - "MacArthur Park (Part II)" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "Bridge over Troubled Water" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "Brand New Me" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "Rock Steady" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "Spanish Harlem" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "You're All I Need to Get By" (mono) Free Movement, The - "I've Found Someone of My Own" (stereo) Fuzz, The - "I Love You for All Seasons" (mono) Gaye, Marvin - "Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)" (mono) Gaye, Marvin - "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)" (mono) Gaye, Marvin - "What's Going On" (mono) Glass Bottle, The - "I Ain't Got Time Anymore" (mono) Goldsboro, Bobby - "Watching Scotty Grow" (stereo) Grass Roots, The - "Sooner or Later" (mono) Grass Roots, The - "Temptation Eyes" (mono) Grass Roots, The - "Two Divided by Love" (mono) Green, Al - "Tired of Being Alone" (mono) Guess Who, The - "Albert Flasher" (stereo) Guess Who, The - "Hang on to Your Life" (stereo) Guess Who, The - "Rain Dance" (stereo) Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds - "Don't Pull Your Love" (mono) Harrison, George - "Bangla-desh" (stereo) Harrison, George - "Deep Blue" (stereo) Harrison, George - "What Is Life" (stereo) Hart, Freddie - "Easy Loving" (stereo) Havens, Richie - "Here Comes the Sun" (mono) Hayes, Isaac - "Never Can Say Goodbye" (mono) Hayes, Isaac - "Theme from Shaft" (mono and stereo) Head, Murray - "Superstar" (stereo) Honey Cone, The - "Want Ads" (mono) Honey Cone, The - "Stick-Up" (mono) Humphrey, Paul, & His Cool Aid Chemists - "Cool Aid" (mono) Isley Brothers, The - "Love the One You're With" (mono) Isley Brothers, The - "Spill the Wine" (mono) Jackson, Michael - "Got to Be There" (mono and stereo) Jackson 5, The - "Mama's Pearl" (mono) Jackson 5, The - "Maybe Tomorrow" (mono) Jackson 5, The - "Never Can Say Goodbye" (mono) James Gang, The - "Walk Away" (stereo) James, Tommy - "Draggin' the Line" (mono) James, Tommy - "I'm Comin' Home" (mono) James, Tommy - "Nothing to Hide" (mono) John, Elton - "Friends" (mono) John, Elton - "Your Song" (mono) Jones, Tom - "Puppet Man" (mono) Jones, Tom - "Resurrection Shuffle" (mono) Jones, Tom - "She's a Lady" (mono) Jones, Tom - "Till" (mono) Joplin, Janis - "Cry Baby" (stereo) Joplin, Janis - "Me and Bobby McGee" (stereo) King, B.B. - "Ask Me No Questions" (mono) King, Carole - "I Feel the Earth Move" (mono and stereo) King, Carole - "It's Too Late" (mono and stereo) King, Carole - "Smackwater Jack" (mono) King, Carole - "So Far Away" (mono) Kinks, The - "Apeman" (mono) Kissoon, Mac and Katie - "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep" (mono) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "I Don't Want to Do Wrong" (mono) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "If I Were Your Woman" (mono) Knight, Jean - "Mr. Big Stuff" (mono) Kristofferson, Kris - "Loving Her Was Easier (Than Anything I'll Ever Do Again)" (mono) Lai, Francis - "Theme from Love Story" (stereo) LaSalle, Denise - "Trapped by a Thing Called Love" (mono) Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song" (stereo) Lee, Laura - "Women's Love Rights" (mono) Lennon, John/Plastic Ono Band - "Imagine" (stereo) Lennon, John/Plastic Ono Band - "Mother" (mono) Lennon, John/Plastic Ono Band - "Power to the People" (stereo) Lightfoot, Gordon - "If You Could Read My Mind" (mono and stereo) Lighthouse - "One Fine Morning" (mono) Little Sister - "Somebody's Watching You" (mono) Lobo - "Me and You and a Dog Named Boo" (mono) Mancini, Henry, and His Orchestra - "(Theme from) Love Story" (mono) Matthews' Southern Comfort - "Woodstock" (stereo) Mayfield, Curtis - "(Don't Worry) If There's a Hell Below We're All Going to Go" (mono) McCartney, Paul - "Another Day" (stereo) McCartney, Paul - "Oh Woman Oh Why" (stereo) McCartney, Paul & Linda - "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" (stereo) McGuinness Flint - "When I'm Dead and Gone" (stereo) Melanie - "Brand New Key" (mono) Michaels, Lee - "Can I Get a Witness" (mono) Michaels, Lee - "Do You Know What I Mean" (mono) Moody Blues, The "The Story in Your Eyes" (stereo) Moore, Jackie - "Precious, Precious" (mono) Morrison, Van - "Blue Money" (mono) Morrison, Van - "Domino" (stereo) Morrison, Van - "Wild Night" (stereo) Nash, Graham - "Chicago" (mono) Nero, Peter - "Theme from "Summer of '42"" (stereo) Nesmith, Michael, & the First National Band - "Silver Moon" (stereo) Newton-John, Olivia - "If Not for You" (mono) Nilsson - "Me and My Arrow" (stereo) Nite-Liters, The - "K-Jee" (stereo) Nitty Gritty Dirt Band - "Mr. Bojangles" (stereo) North, Freddie - "She's All I Got" (stereo) Ocean - "Put Your Hand in the Hand" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Go Away Little Girl" (mono) Osmond, Donny, of the Osmonds - "Sweet and Innocent" (mono) Osmonds, The - "Double Lovin'" (mono) Osmonds, The - "One Bad Apple" (mono and stereo) Osmonds, The - "Yo-Yo" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "Doesn't Somebody Want to Be Wanted" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "I Woke up in Love This Morning" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "I'll Meet You Halfway" (mono) Payne, Freda - "Bring the Boys Home" (mono) Payne, Freda - "Cherish What Is Dear to You (While It's Near to You)" (mono) People's Choice - "I Likes to Do It" (mono) Persuaders, The - "Thin Line Between Love & Hate" (mono) Pickett, Wilson - "Don't Knock My Love - Pt. 1" (mono) Pickett, Wilson - "Don't Let the Green Grass Fool You" (mono) Presley, Elvis - "I Really Don't Want to Know" (mono) Presley, Elvis - "I'm Leavin'" (mono) Presley, Elvis - "Rags to Riches" (mono) Presley, Elvis - "There Goes My Everything" (mono) Presley, Elvis - "Where Did They Go, Lord" (mono) Price, Ray - "For the Good Times" (mono) Raiders - "Birds of a Feather" (stereo) Raiders - "Indian Reservation (The Lament of the Cherrokee Reservation Indian)" (stereo) Rare Earth - "Born to Wander" (mono) Rare Earth - "I Just Want to Celebrate" (mono) Rawls, Lou - "A Natural Man" (mono and stereo) Reddy, Helen - "I Don't Know How to Love Him" (stereo) Redeye - "Games" (stereo) Reed, Jerry - "Amos Moses" (mono) Reed, Jerry - "When You're Hot, You're Hot" (mono) Robinson, Smokey, & the Miracles - "I Don't Blame You at All" (mono) Roe, Tommy - "Stagger Lee" (mono) Rolling Stones, The - "Brown Sugar" (mono) Rolling Stones, The - "Wild Horses" (mono) Ross, Diana - "Reach out I'll Be There" (mono) Ross, Diana - "Remember Me" (mono) Ross, Diana - "Surrender" (mono) Runt - "We Gotta Get You a Woman" (mono) Russell, Bobby - "Saturday Morning Confusion" (stereo) Santana - "Black Magic Woman" (stereo) Santana - "Everybody's Everything" (stereo) Santana - "Oye Como Va" (stereo) Sherman, Bobby - "Cried Like a Baby" (stereo) Sherman, Bobby - "The Drum" (stereo) Simon, Carly - "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be" (stereo) Simon, Joe - "Your Time to Cry" (mono) Sly & the Family Stone - "Family Affair" (stereo) Smith, Sammi - "Help Me Make It Through the Night" (mono and stereo) Sonny & Cher - "All I Ever Need Is You" (stereo) Sounds of Sunshine - "Love Means (You Never Have to Say You're Sorry)" (stereo) Stampeders - "Sweet City Woman" (mono) Staple Singers, The - "Heavy Makes You Happy (Sha-Na-Boom Boom)" (mono) Staple Singers, The - "Respect Yourself" (mono) Starr, Edwin - "Stop the War Now" (mono) Starr, Ringo - "It Don't Come Easy" (stereo) Stevens, Cat - "Moon Shadow" (stereo) Stevens, Cat - "Peace Train" (stereo) Stevens, Cat - "Wild World" (mono and stereo) Stewart, Rod - "Maggie May" (mono) Stewart, Rod - "Reason to Believe" (mono) Stewart, Rod, with Faces - "(I Know) I'm Losing You" (mono) Stills, Stephen - "Change Partners" (mono) Stills, Stephen - "Love the One You're With" (mono) Stills, Stephen - "Sit Yourself Down" (mono) Stills, Stephen - "Marianne" (mono) Stookey, Paul - "Wedding Song (There Is Love)" (stereo) Streisand, Barbra - "Stoney End" (stereo) Streisand, Barbra - "Where You Lead" (stereo) Stylistics, The - "Stop, Look, Listen (to Your Heart)" (mono) Supremes, The - "Nathan Jones" (mono) Supremes, The, & Four Tops - "River Deep - Mountain High" (mono) Sweathog - "Hallelujah" (stereo) Taylor, James - "Country Road" (stereo) Taylor, James - "Long Ago and Far Away" (stereo) Taylor, James - "You've Got a Friend" (stereo) Taylor, Johnnie - "Jody's Got Your Girl and Gone" (mono) Temptations, The - "Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)" (mono) Temptations, The - "Superstar (Remember How You Got Where You Are)" (mono) Ten Years After - "I'd Love to Change the World" (stereo) Thomas, B.J. - "Mighty Clouds of Joy" (mono) Thomas, B.J. - "Most of All" (mono) Thomas, B.J. - "No Love at All" (mono) Thomas, Rufus - "Breakdown, The (Part I)" (mono) Thomas, Rufus - "(Do the) Push and Pull Part I" (mono) Three Dog Night - "Joy to the World" (mono) Three Dog Night - "Liar" (mono) Three Dog Night - "An Old Fashioned Love Song" (mono and stereo) Three Dog Night - "One Man Band" (stereo) Tin Tin - "Toast and Marmalade for Tea" (mono) Turner, Ike & Tina - "Proud Mary" (stereo) Undisputed Truth, The - "Smiling Faces Sometimes" (mono) Wadsworth Mansion - "Sweet Mary" (mono) War - "All Day Music" (stereo) Who, The - "Behind Blue Eyes" (stereo) Who, The - "Won't Get Fooled Again (stereo) Williams, Andy - "(Where Do I Begin) Love Story" (stereo) Withers, Bill - "Ain't No Sunshine" (mono) Withers, Bill - "Grandma's Hands" (mono) Wonder, Stevie - "If You Really Love Me" (mono) Wonder, Stevie - "We Can Work It Out" (mono) Yes - "Your Move" (mono) Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6618&PN=2 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1968 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6620&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1969 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6625&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1970 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6628&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1972 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6637&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1973 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6641&PN=1&TPN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1974 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/edit_post.asp?PID=32865&PN=1&TPN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1975 |
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 7:14am
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Laura Lee/ Women's Love Rights is in Mono.
Paul Stookey's Wedding Song (There Is Love) is Stereo ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 7:33am
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Thanks, KentT, for being right on top of those remaining stragglers once again!
That leaves only two more entries needing notations for 1971... |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 7:35am
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Great to see these lists, Todd! I am sure you are computing the mono/stereo
ratio for 1971 as I write this. hehe. I am sure we will see a substantial step forward in stereo for 1972 and even more for 1973. 1974 will see few mono I predict. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 8:38am
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Kinks, The - "Apeman" (mono)
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 8:48am
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Todd, a couple questions:
When a 45 isn't listed as stereo or mono, I'm sure you listen to make your determination, but when a 45 DOES have a designation, do you take it as the gospel truth or listen anyway to confirm? (And have there ever been errors?) I think of all the wrong times listed on labels so I wonder if there are wrong stereo/mono designations listed, too. Also, when several singles by one artist are released in a year, and your findings show certain singles in mono and other singles in stereo, is there always a chronological trend from mono to stereo, or is it more random, like a single being stereo but then the artist's next single being in mono? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 9:17am
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Both sides of my commercial 45 copy with these two titles are mono:
King, Carole - "I Feel the Earth Move" (stereo) King, Carole - "It's Too Late" (stereo) And conversely, this one's stereo: Lightfoot, Gordon - "If You Could Read My Mind" (mono) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 10:59am
| Perhaps, owners of the mono 45's could indicate whether they are dedicated mono mixes or fold-downs. Is that a possibility or would that entail too much work? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 6:59pm
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Gordon Lightfoot- If You Can Read My Mind is Stereo on my Pitman, NJ Columbia made 45 single. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 7:09pm
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Thanks for all this work! These lists will help me with my
collection and when I do my comps. ------------- |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 7:21pm
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I can also confirm that "Apeman" is mono and is a dedicated mono mix. (They mixed the vocals louder so you can clearly hear that he is singing "Foggin up my eyes" instead of the assumed profanity many people think they hear on the stereo version.
As far as determining fold downs or dedicated mono mixes for anything released in 1971, a lot of it would be guess work unless we know of a thread where the producer states that the track is a simple fold down. You might have only been referring to just the Gordon Lightfoot and Carole King releases above. But if you look at the full list in determining the fold downs that might exist from that year, my guesses on two of the Grass Roots songs above are that Sooner or Later and Two Divided by Love are fold downs. We know for sure that Temptation Eyes is a dedicated mono mix. There is a third option starting in 1968 and continuing into the early 70's, songs which are CSG mono and are technically a fold down, but have some manipulation done by the CSG device. CSG processing was sometimes marked on 45s, sometimes not. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 11:45pm
not, I always have and will always ignore them. My stereo/mono reports are 100% based on actually listening to the 45s. That being said, I've noticed a high (98%+) reliabilty rate when it says stereo, that it actually is stereo. The lone exception to me is 1971-72 Top 40 hits on the "Westbound" label, where mono actually appeared on a majority of their stated stereo 45s. As far as a "once an artist starts issuing stereo 45s, does it then stay that way?", Todd and I discussed this on the phone just last night. My experience is "no". From my many years in radio, my sense was that the first (and often the second) choices to release from an LP as singles (the strongest tracks) were less apt to be initially remixed, in the 70s, and even throughout the 80s. But as the labels went deeper into an LP for singles, say for a 3rd or 4th single, these cuts were more likely to be candidates for "remixing/strengthening/beefing up" by the labels, simply becuase they weren't a strong a single candidate as the last hit(s) were. There were exceptions, though. "Singles" bands like Three Dog Night almost always reworked their songs for 45 release, no matter. And James Brown went back and forth a couple of different times, as to issuing stereo/mono 45s. And finally, while I can appreciate good folks like David Clark and John Gallagher really desiring still more 45 details to be provided, such as "is it a fold-down or dedicated mix" info, I 100% agree with the opinion offered earlier in this post by longtime pro Bill Cahill that, 1) It is near-impossible to determine accurately, and, 2) It would simply take a million years to attempt to analyze thousands of 45s that way! Think about it. Any of us could try to listen back and forth, to both the 45/LP versions of just one single song, for as long as a full hour, and still only be "fairly sure" of our report. I realize why folks want to know this, but to me it is an extremely impractical/undo-able request. To even provide what Todd has been providing to us between 1968-74 is already a such a huge undertaking, that no one I know has ever even tried to take it on before! I am personally just *so* happy to have all the many new details we find here. These "can we have this, too?" requests do truly sadden me a bit, truth be told. To me, the best clue on this issue is to probably hone in on the individual labels' policy on the matter. Like the recent Roy Orbison Monument singles collection found, label owner Fred Foster seemed to mostly favor fold-downs; my conclusion would then be that "Mexico" by Bob Moore, also a hit on Monument during that same era, would also have been a fold down. Peace! |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 12:15am
Thanks Yah Shure, KentT, and Bill Cahill for the updates!
Here's the percentage (rounded to the nearest tenth) of Top 40 commercial 45s issued in stereo by year: 1971: 35.7% 1970: 26.9% 1969: 19.1% 1968: 3.1% |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 12:24am
| Another outstanding job, Paul! Thanks! |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 4:27am
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Todd, I didn't recall you ever bringing up to me needing the Isleys' "Spill The
Wine" info, either by e-mail or phone recently - the first I'm seeing of it is here now, as the last 1971 straggler! Had it the whole time, buddy - here are the particulars: (mono; L 2:40; A 2:39). (PS-As 1972 is next, I have stock 45s for all of them, but one is currently AWOL: Joe Cocker-"Feelin' Alright" (A&M 1063). If anyone has a stock 45 they could help report mono or stereo for, that's gonna be our only straggler - thanks!) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 7:18am
Break out the Straggler-B-Gon, Jim: A&M 1063 is mono. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 7:37am
Ain't that the truth! Even some of the minute mix differences some have pointed out in various songs others have trouble hearing. Not to mention differences of a given song between pressing plants (the recent thread on "You Know What I Mean" for example) this would be an impossible task. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 8:59am
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When I first read John's "dedicated mono mixes or fold-downs" query yesterday, my first impulse was to answer his "Is that a possibility or would that entail too much work?" question with a resounding "too much work!!" I decided to hold off on answering to see if others shared that assessment. Bill, Jim and Steve all summed up the situation perfectly.
Should anyone ever be brave enough to undertake such a time-consuming project, a communal approach might ultimately prove to be more workable, as Todd has demonstrated with the rest of us filling in the missing stereo/mono 45 blanks. It might take a l-o-n-g time to whittle down the lists, but at least it would be a start. One more caveat: The need to have both the 45 and LP track for comparison. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 10:01am
| I would not be at all opposed to getting a "Dedicated Mono Mixes vs. Fold-downs" thread going at some point, but definitely agree it would have to be a widespread community effort. I don't see any way one person could handle it all! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 10:22am
| Jim, thanks for the insight about the accuracy of labels listing stereo vs. mono (good to know they're 98% accurate) and about whether or not an artist's series of singles that start getting released in stereo can go back to releases in mono for later singles. Interesting! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 11:47am
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Todd et al. - My sincere appreciation for your efforts in
sorting through all these 45s! I started collecting them in 1978, and I don't have enough of the pre-'78 discs to be much help here. Just letting you know that your efforts are really appreciated, even if I'm not chiming in. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 1:00pm
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I was wondering if anyone can confirm with 100% certainty the following:
==> commercial mono 45 pressings of Cat Stevens' "Moon Shadow" (I may have misunderstood reports suggesting they exist) ==> commercial stereo 45 pressings of the Dells' "The Love We Had (Stays on My Mind)" (some pressings do state "stereo" on the label, but Jim reports his is in mono) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 7:27pm
With 100% certainty? No, but my own stock copies are: "Moon Shadow" - stereo "The Love We Had (Stays On My Mind)" - mono. The etched matrix number also states "CA 1656 - MONO", and there's no mono or stereo designation on the label. (Side note: The Dells record was one of the worst-pressed new singles I ever bought, suffering from poor fill, BIG chunks of regrind and the crackle resulting from overheating the so-called vinyl in the record press. Had it actually been in stereo, it would have been completely unlistenable. And this was the cleanest-looking copy in the bins at the time!) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 10:03pm
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Yes, many thanks to Paul, Jim, Bill, Steve, Kent and other contributors to this project. I certainly commend all of you for your continued hard work.
In regards to the fold-down/mix question, that was me thinking out loud, then asking. I agree it would probably be near impossible. But, if anyone, by chance, discovers any mix differences, I'm sure it would be noted in the database by Pat. Again, kudos to all. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 10:08pm
This is true, but only if the mono mix contains something that is not in the stereo mix. A unique mono mix (as opposed to a fold-down) is not enough to warrant a "version" designation in Pat's database. For instance, there are several '60s-era Motown records that have no version designation; however, I think it's been noted in other threads that most (if not all) are unique mono mixes. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 1:37am
| This brings up an interesting point as to what's a "unique mono mix". I assume if you fold a stereo down and got a mono version that is in ANY WAY different from the mono 45, the 45 is a unique mono mix. It doesn't necessarily have to have added instruments or instruments missing, right? Is a unique mono 45 mix simply anything that does not exactly match the stereo fold down? |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 2:24am
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My definition of a unique mono mix is one that is made from the multi-
track masters, i.e., they take the multi and produce a 1-channel mono mix. Classically, it was for the 45 (and mono LP). I assume a fold-down is taking a 2-channel stereo mix and simply folding it to mono by combining the two channels, which can be done in Adobe Audition. True, this will sound different from the stereo, but to me, it is not "unique". A unique mono mix can emphasize certain parts of the song (e.g., the rhythm section, the vocal(s)) that the stereo mix (or a fold-down of same) does not do. My wish (and I'm not asking this of anyone to do btw) is, that as we moved into the stereo 45 era, to know what mono 45s are fold-downs and what are unique mono mixes. I presume MOST 45s from 1967 and prior were unique mono mixes, therefore my "wish to know" list is only a few hundred, NOT thousands. I know that the Elvis 45s of the late 60s and 1970 are primarily unique mono mixes. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 7:33am
single person in my life who's made a "wish" who didn't want to see it come true. Have you? And how else is your wish gonna happen here, but for a herculean labor effort, by either few or many, producing "guesstimate" results at best, even as compiled by some of the best "audio ears" anywhere on the planet, found right here on this very board! David, in my humble opinion, your reduction of songs to "a few hundred" just isn't accurate. "Single remixes" continued well into the stereo 45 era, all through the 80s, and even well beyond that. Like that recent "December, 1963" thread, with the elusive, little-known single version, finally found on the recent "Jersey Boys" CD set. This saga started with a 1976, stereo initial release. How much time/effort did just that *one* song take to be determined/get resolved? A lot. David, you're one of the very kindest souls I've met on this board - a total class human being. And I do 100% see your point - heck, we *all* want to know what which hits are fold-downs/dedicated single mixes, be it mono or stereo. Because without knowing this, how can any of us be 100% sure that we have the right single versions on CD? This fact drives many of us (including me) nuts! This still doesn't mean it's do-able, however. An example: Exxon/Mobil and other companies in 2012 badly want immediate access to the materials found on the Moon and Mars. Just as bad as we want our mix info (probably even more!). But they, too, are simply out of luck, because the technology isn't there yet. David, it's not here yet for us, either. All of us together couldn't do it correctly. If we could, we would. Because that's what we do here, and we're not easily discouraged! That's my only point here, buddy! I hope you'll give the issue another look. Then, at worst, we can agree to disagree! :) I truly hope life in Thailand is going well for you, sir, and I think it's great that you are still able to stay in touch with some of your old friends via Pat's board! -Jim |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 10:16am
Sorry, I missed your post regarding the Isley Brothers' "Spill the Wine" from yesterday, Jim. Thanks so much for the update as this now officially completes the 1971 mono/stereo 45 list! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 10:40pm
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I was curious to see just how many 45s were issued in mono during the
years Todd is preparing his lists. I have placed Todd's lists into an Excel spreadsheet, and have determined the following (assuming I haven't made a "clerical" error): 1968 - 296 45s, 291 mono 45s 1969 - 298 45s, 250 mono 45s 1970 - 275 45s, 204 mono 45s 1971 - 286 45s, 194 mono 45s 1972 - 264 45s, 131 mono 45s Note that I count a mono 45 even if a stereo one was issued as well. So, to 1972, we have 1,070 Top 40 45s issued in mono. Our lists will continue to 1974, as per Todd's intent. I will add those years when they become available. I am so grateful to Todd (and his helpers) for preparing these lists as I had no means of doing so. Jim, I believe you misunderstood me. To clarify, the years for which my "few hundred" estimate was directed are these seven years, not all years nor did it include 45s with alternate stereo mixes. Prior to 1968, there are 1,000s of mono 45s indeed. So, my "few hundred" currently amount to 1,070. I did underestimate somewhat, yes. I cheer when this board continues to discover single mixes (stereo or mono) different from their LP counterparts. I believe I have helped to identify some over the years. I know my wish to determine "unique mono mixes" is not possible, however I can still wish for it. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 24 February 2012 at 9:13pm
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Update! Sammi Smith "Help Me Make It Through The Night" is first pressing mono, second pressing on Stereo. Most copies are Stereo due to this song having a long chart life and the fact this tune stayed on jukeboxes for several years. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 February 2012 at 9:35pm
| The new info has been noted, Kent. Thanks! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 November 2014 at 6:29pm
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my commercial 45 for the james taylor song 'country road'
issued as warner 7460 sounds like it's in mono.....the run out groove info is 'WB-7460A M-17967-S'....can anyone who has the commercial 45 double check to see if there's is in mono or stereo... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 12:49pm
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I only have the DJ copy and the stereo side is confirmed stereo, with run out groove M-17967-S 1B, then the word STEREO.
The mono side is M-17967-DJ 1A, and of course it is mono. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 9:13pm
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Ed, my WB 7460 stock 45 copy states (M17967)S on the label, but shows a
different # inside the deadwax,: "M-19578-S 1F STEREO". It is the correct song, though, and is obviously in stereo. I don't know exactly what happened with your copy. Perhaps some un-intended mono copies escaped from one of the pressing plants WB used for "Country Road". Could you send a dub of your 45 copy out to one of your "digital spectrum analyzer buddies", for a confirmation? If they concur with your opinion of mono, then we'll go ahead and update the master list, with both (M) and (S) stock 45s for this one. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 16 March 2017 at 5:36am
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Update on my comment: "My guesses on two of the Grass Roots songs above are that Sooner or Later and Two Divided by Love are fold
downs". At least in the case of "Two Divided by Love", I guessed wrong. We now know that if it was a fold down, it was a fold down of the stereo DJ 45 mix, not the album stereo mix. But it wouldn't surprise me if both "Two Divided by Love" and "Sooner or Later" were mixed specifcally for 45 release, but without major differences from the stereo versions. |
Posted By: Jack45
Date Posted: 29 July 2023 at 6:16pm
| YouTube poster AnotherProf (same man as The45Prof) has a copy of "A Natural Man" that's mono instead of stereo. |