List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1972
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Topic: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1972
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1972
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 12:17pm
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The following is a list of every single that peaked on the Billboard Top 40 chart in 1972 (based on Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication) and also includes the Top 40 hits Pat has included in the database based a composite of other music charts. Through a collaborative effort with my partner-in-crime Jim (a.k.a. "jimct"), we've made our best effort to determine whether the corresponding commercial 45 release for each single was issued in mono or stereo. This list only accounts for original 45 releases and not later re-issues.
I have posted a mono/stereo 45 list for each year from 1968-1975 (see links below) and hope forum members and fellow music collectors will find these lists to be a useful reference guide. I also highly encourage anyone to let me know if there are any errors, inaccuracies, or omissions so that I can make the necessary corrections. Addrisi Brothers, The - "We've Got to Get It on Again" (stereo) America - "A Horse with No Name" (stereo) America - "I Need You" (stereo) America - "Ventura Highway" (stereo) Apollo 100 - "Joy" (stereo) April Wine - "You Could Have Been a Lady" (mono) Argent - "Hold Your Head Up" (stereo) Badfinger - "Baby Blue" (stereo) Badfinger - "Day After Day" (stereo) Band, The - "Don't Do It" (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label) Bee Gees - "Run to Me" (mono) Bee Gees, The - "Alive" (mono) Bee Gees, The - "My World" (mono) Berry, Chuck - "My Ding-a-Ling" (electronically rechanneled stereo) Boone, Daniel - "Beautiful Sunday" (stereo) Bread - "Diary" (mono and stereo) Bread - "Everything I Own" (stereo) Bread - "The Guitar Man" (stereo) Bread - "Sweet Surrender" (stereo) Bremers, Beverly - "Don't Say You Don't Remember" (stereo) Bremers, Beverly - "We're Free" (stereo) Brown, James - "Get on the Good Foot-Part 1" (mono) Brown, James - "Honky Tonk - Part 1" (mono) Brown, James - "I Got a Bag of My Own" (stereo) Brown, James - "King Heroin" (mono) Brown, James - "Talking Loud and Saying Nothing - Part I" (mono) Brown, James - "There It Is" (mono) Browne, Jackson - "Doctor My Eyes" (mono) Bullet - "White Lies, Blue Eyes" (mono) Butler, Jerry, and Brenda Lee Eager - "Ain't Understanding Mellow" (mono) Cale, J.J. - "Crazy Mama" (stereo) Carpenters - "Goodbye to Love" (stereo) Carpenters - "Hurting Each Other" (stereo) Carpenters - "It's Going to Take Some Time" (stereo) Cashman & West - "American City Suite" (stereo) Cassidy, David - "Could It Be Forever" (mono) Cassidy, David - "How Can I Be Sure" (mono) Cassidy, David - "Rock Me Baby" (mono) Castor, Jimmy, Bunch - "Troglodyte (Cave Man)" (mono) Chakachas, The - "Jungle Fever" (mono) Chapin, Harry - "Taxi" (stereo) Cher - "Living in a House Divided" (stereo) Cher - "The Way to Love" (stereo) Chicago - "Dialogue (Part I & II)" (stereo) Chicago - "Saturday in the Park" (stereo) Chi-Lites, The - "Oh Girl" (stereo) Climax - "Precious and Few" (mono) Cocker, Joe - "Feeling Alright" (mono) Cocker, Joe, and the Chris Stainton Band - "Midnight Rider" (mono) Coffey, Dennis, and the Detroit Guitar Band - "Scorpio" (mono) Coffey, Dennis, and the Detroit Guitar Band - "Taurus" (mono) Coltrane, Chi - "Thunder and Lightning" (stereo) Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen - "Hot Rod Lincoln" (stereo) Cooper, Alice - "Elected" (stereo) Cooper, Alice - "School's Out" (stereo) Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose - "Don't Ever Be Lonely (A Poor Little Fool Like Me)" (stereo) Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose - "Too Late to Turn Back Now" (stereo) Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Someday Never Comes" (mono) Croce, Jim - "Operator (That's Not the Way It Feels)" (mono) Croce, Jim - "You Don't Mess Around with Jim" (mono & stereo) Davis, Mac - "Baby Don't Get Hooked on Me" (mono) Davis, Sammy, Jr., with the Mike Curb Congregation - "The Candy Man" (stereo) Delegates, The - "Convention '72" (mono) Derek and the Dominos - "Layla" (mono) Detroit Emeralds - "Baby Let Me Take You (in My Arms)" (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label) Detroit Emeralds - "You Want It, You Got It" (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label) Diamond, Neil - "Play Me" (stereo) Diamond, Neil - "Song Sung Blue" (mono) Diamond, Neil - "Walk on Water" (stereo) Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show - "Sylvia's Mother" (stereo) Doobie Brothers, The - "Listen to the Music" (stereo) Dramatics, The - "In the Rain" (mono) Dylan, Bob - "George Jackson" (stereo) Eagles - "Take It Easy" (mono) Eagles - "Witchy Woman" (mono) Edwards, Jonathan - "Sunshine" (mono) Elbert, Donnie - "I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch)" (mono) Emerson, Lake & Palmer - "From the Beginning" (mono) English Congregation, The - "Softly Whispering I Love You" (mono) Faces - "Stay with Me" (stereo) Fargo, Donna - "The Happiest Girl in the Whole U.S.A." (stereo) 5th Dimension, The - "If I Could Reach You" (mono) 5th Dimension, The - "(Last Night) I Didn't Get to Sleep at All" (mono) 5th Dimension, The - "Together Let's Find Love" (mono) Flack, Roberta - "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" (mono) Flack, Roberta, & Donny Hathaway - "Where Is the Love" (mono) Flash - "Small Beginnings" - (stereo) Franklin, Aretha - "All the King's Horses" (mono) Franklin, Aretha - "Day Dreaming" (mono) Gallery - "I Believe in Music" (mono) Gallery - "Nice to Be with You" (mono) Geils, J., Band - "Looking for a Love" (mono) Giorgio - "Son of My Father" (stereo) Glitter, Gary - "I Didn't Know I Loved You (Till I Saw You Rock and Roll)" (mono) Glitter, Gary - "Rock and Roll Part 2" (mono) Godspell - "Day by Day" (mono) Grand Funk Railroad - "Footstompin' Music" (stereo) Grand Funk Railroad - "Rock 'n' Roll Soul" (stereo) Grass Roots, The - "Glory Bound" (mono) Grass Roots, The - "The Runaway" (mono) Green, Al - "I'm Still in Love with You" (mono) Green, Al - "Let's Stay Together" (mono) Green, Al - "Look What You Done for Me" (mono) Green, Al - "You Ought to Be with Me" (mono and stereo) Guess Who, The - "Heartbroken Bopper" (stereo) Guthrie, Arlo - "The City of New Orleans" (stereo) Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds - "Daisy Mae" (mono) Hammond, Albert - "It Never Rains in Southern California" (stereo, though some pressings are electronically rechanneled) Hayes, Isaac - "Do Your Thing" (mono) Hayes, Isaac - "Theme from The Men" (stereo) Heatherton, Joey - "Gone" (stereo) Hillside Singers, The - "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony)" (stereo) Hollies, The - "Long Cool Woman (in a Black Dress)" (stereo) Hollies, The - "Long Dark Road" (stereo) Honey Cone, The - "The Day I Found Myself" (mono) Honey Cone, The - "One Monkey Don't Stop No Show Part I" (mono) Hot Butter - "Popcorn" (stereo) Ingram, Luther - "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want to Be Right" (mono) Isley Brothers, The - "Pop That Thang" (mono) Jackson, Michael - "Ben" (mono and stereo) Jackson, Michael - "I Wanna Be Where You Are" (stereo) Jackson, Michael - "Rockin' Robin" (mono and stereo) Jackson, Millie - "Ask Me What You Want" (mono) Jackson, Millie - "My Man, a Sweet Man" (mono) Jackson 5, The - "Corner of the Sky" (stereo) Jackson 5, The - "Little Bitty Pretty One" (mono) Jackson 5, The - "Lookin' Through the Windows" (stereo) Jackson 5, The - "Sugar Daddy" (mono) John, Elton - "Honky Cat" (stereo) John, Elton - "Levon" (mono) John, Elton - "Rocket Man" (stereo) John, Elton - "Tiny Dancer" (stereo) John, Robert - "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" (mono) Jo Jo Gunne - "Run Run Run" (mono) King, Carole - "Sweet Seasons" (mono) Knight, Frederick - "I've Been Lonely for So Long" (mono) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Help Me Make It Through the Night" (stereo) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Make Me the Woman That You Go Home To" (mono) Led Zeppelin - "Black Dog" (stereo) [Lennon], John & Yoko and the Plastic Ono Band with the Harlem Community Choir - "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" (stereo) Lewis, Jerry Lee - "Me and Bobby McGee" (mono) Lighthouse - "Sunny Days" (mono) Lobo - "I'd Love You to Want Me" (mono) Looking Glass - "Brandy (You're a Fine Girl)" (stereo) Love Unlimited - "Walkin' in the Rain with the One I Love" (stereo) Main Ingredient, The - "Everybody Plays the Fool" (stereo) Malo - "Suavecito" (stereo) Mayfield, Curtis - "Freddie's Dead (Theme from "Superfly")" (mono) McLean, Don - "American Pie - Parts I & II" (stereo) McLean, Don - "Castles in the Air" (stereo) McLean, Don - "Vincent" (stereo) Mel and Tim - "Starting All over Again" (mono) Melanie - "The Nickel Song" (mono) Melanie - "Ring the Living Bell" (stereo) Melvin, Harold, and the Blue Notes - "If You Don't Know Me by Now" (stereo) Moody Blues, The - "Isn't Life Strange" (stereo) Moody Blues, The - "Nights in White Satin" (mono) Mott the Hoople - "All the Young Dudes" (stereo) Mouth & MacNeal - "How Do You Do?" (stereo) Murphey, Michael - "Geronimo's Cadillac" (mono) Nash, Graham, & David Crosby - "Immigration Man" (mono) Nash, Johnny - "I Can See Clearly Now" (stereo) Neely, Sam - "Loving You Just Crossed My Mind" (stereo) Nelson, Rick, & the Stone Canyon Band - "Garden Party" (stereo) New Seekers, The - "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony)" (stereo) Newbury, Mickey - "An American Trilogy" (stereo) Newton, Wayne - "Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast" (stereo) Nilsson - "Coconut" (stereo) Nilsson - "Jump into the Fire" (stereo) Nilsson - "Spaceman" (stereo) Nilsson - "Without You" (stereo) O'Jays, The - "Back Stabbers" (stereo) O'Keefe, Danny - "Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Hey Girl" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "I Knew You When" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Lonely Boy" (stereo) Osmond, Donny - "Puppy Love" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Too Young" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Why" (stereo) Osmond, Little Jimmy, with the Mike Curb Congregation - "Long Haired Lover from Liverpool" (stereo) Osmonds, The - "Crazy Horses" (mono) Osmonds, The - "Down by the Lazy River" (mono) Osmonds, The - "Hold Her Tight" (stereo) O'Sullivan, Gilbert - "Alone Again (Naturally)" (mono) O'Sullivan, Gilbert - "Clair" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "Breaking up Is Hard to Do" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "It's One of Those Nights (Yes Love)" (mono) Paul, Billy - "Me and Mrs. Jones" (stereo) Pickett, Wilson - "Fire and Water" (mono) Pipes and Drums and the Military Band of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, The - "Amazing Grace" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Burning Love" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Until It's Time for You to Go" (stereo) Preston, Billy - "Outa-Space" (mono) Pride, Charley - "Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'" (stereo) Procol Harum - "Conquistador" (stereo) Rare Earth - "Hey Big Brother" (mono) Raspberries - "Go All the Way" (stereo) Redbone - "The Witch Queen of New Orleans" (mono) Reddy, Helen - "I Am Woman" (stereo) Roberts, Austin - "Something's Wrong with Me" (stereo) Rolling Stones, The - "Happy" (mono) Rolling Stones, The - "Tumbling Dice" (mono and stereo) Rundgren, Todd - "I Saw the Light" (stereo) Russell, Leon - "Tight Rope" (stereo) Sailcat - "Motorcycle Mama" (stereo) Sainte-Marie, Buffy - "Mister Can't You See" (mono) Santana - "No One to Depend On" (stereo) Seals & Crofts - "Summer Breeze" (stereo) Simon, Carly - "Anticipation" (stereo) Simon, Joe - "Drowning in the Sea of Love" (mono) Simon, Joe - "Power of Love" (mono) Simon, Paul - "Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard" (stereo) Simon, Paul - "Mother and Child Reunion" (stereo) Sly & the Family Stone - "Runnin' Away" (mono) Sly & the Family Stone - Smilin'" (mono) Sonny & Cher - "A Cowboys Work Is Never Done" (stereo) Sonny & Cher - "When You Say Love" (stereo) Soul Children, The - "Hearsay" (mono) Spinners - "I'll Be Around" (mono) Springfield, Rick - "Speak to the Sky" (stereo) Staple Singers, The - "I'll Take You There" (mono) Staple Singers, The - "This World" (stereo) Starr, Ringo - "Back off Boogaloo" (stereo) Stevens, Cat - "Morning Has Broken" (stereo) Stewart, Rod - "Angel" (stereo) Stewart, Rod - "Handbags and Gladrags" (stereo) Stewart, Rod - "You Wear It Well" (stereo) Streisand, Barbra - "Sweet Inspiration/Where You Lead" (stereo) Stylistics, The - "I'm Stone in Love with You" (mono) Stylistics, The - "People Make the World Go Round" (mono) Stylistics, The - "You Are Everything" (mono) Stylistics, The, featuring Russell Thompkins, Jr. - "Betcha by Golly, Wow" (mono) Supremes, The - "Automatically Sunshine" (mono) Supremes, The - "Floy Joy" (mono) Temptations, The - "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" (mono) Temptations, The - "Take a Look Around" (mono) Tex, Joe - "I Gotcha" (mono) Tex, Joe - "You Said a Bad Word" (mono) Think - "Once You Understand" (stereo) Thomas, B.J. - "Rock and Roll Lullaby" (stereo) Three Dog Night - "Black & White" (mono) Three Dog Night - "The Family of Man" (mono) Three Dog Night - "Never Been to Spain" (mono) Tower of Power - "You're Still a Young Man" (stereo) T. Rex - "Bang a Gong (Get It On)" (stereo) Uriah Heep - "Easy Livin" (stereo) Vinton, Bobby - "Every Day of My Life" (stereo) Vinton, Bobby - "Sealed with a Kiss" (stereo) Wallace, Jerry - "If You Leave Me Tonight I'll Cry" (stereo) War - "Slippin' into Darkness" (mono) Who, The - "Join Together" (stereo) Williams, Andy - "Love Theme from "The Godfather" (Speak Softly Love)" (stereo) Wings - "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" (stereo) Wings - "Little Woman Love" (stereo) Wings - "Mary Had a Little Lamb" (stereo) Withers, Bill - "Lean on Me" (mono) Withers, Bill - "Use Me" (mono) Womack, Bobby, & Peace - "That's the Way I Feel About Cha" (stereo) Wonder, Stevie - "Superwoman (Where Were You When I Needed You)" (stereo) Wright, Betty - "Clean up Woman" (mono) Yes - "Roundabout" (mono) Yost, Dennis, and the Classics IV - "What Am I Crying For?" (stereo) Young, Neil - "Heart of Gold" (mono) Young, Neil - "Old Man" (mono) Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6618&PN=2 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1968 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6620&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1969 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6625&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1970 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6627&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1971 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6637&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1973 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6641&PN=1&TPN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1974 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6644&KW=1975 - List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1975 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 12:47pm
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Scoreboard update...
Here are the percentages (rounded to the nearest tenth) of Top 40 commercial 45s issued in stereo by year. 1972 became the first year the number of stereo 45 releases surpassed that of mono 45s: 1972: 51.9% 1971: 35.7% 1970: 26.9% 1969: 19.1% 1968: 3.1% |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 8:22pm
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Todd, as I was quickly scanning your new 1972 list, I see you accidently
included Hotlegs' "Neanderthal Man" on it. It should be deleted. This song was actually from 1970, and it does already correctly appear under your list for that year. Once again, great job! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 8:32pm
| Thanks, Jim... I have no idea how that one ended up on this list! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 9:41pm
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OMG! Stereo is spreading faster than the plague! :)
Great detective work again, Todd (and Jim)! Many thanks. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 10:05pm
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Todd, you are incredible. You are posting these lists at lightning speed!
Thanks so much to you, and the others providing those few additional details, for making this particular wish of mine come true! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 1:12am
| Isn't it true that 1972 was the first year that 45s had to be designated on the label as stereo or mono (and that prior to then, very few 45s had a stereo or mono indication on the label?) I sort of remember 1972 being a critical year for the beginning of the designations and was wondering if anyone can fill us in. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 6:35am
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Gordon, I am totally unaware of any such "1972 required stereo/mono
designation on 45s" rule. And if there was ever one, many labels ignored it! I'd be interested to know what gave you that impression in the first place. I don't think WB ever showed mono/stereo info on any commercial 45s issued during the 70's at all (I know the promo 45s did.) Bell - never, right up to "Mandy" at the very end. The London/MAM/Hi family of labels? Not until 1975, at the earliest. I'm sure others would quickly come to mind, if I thought about it longer. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 6:38am
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I think this is so. Do remember that you have a hit or two from this era on a normally mono label which does get a Stereo pressing run (Normally happens when there's a Stereo side on the Promo single and they need new stampers). At least one run of Vicki Lawrence's "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" exists that way and one Tom Jones single also does. On reissues, the reverse sometimes happens. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 7:05am
London did issue a handful of stereo 45s, I'm pretty sure "Natural High"-Bloodstone was stereo. I also have an http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/hykker/Popfam.jpg - early '72 stiff by the Poppy Family that was stereo. While I can't think of any stereo Bell 45s (other than the ones previously mentioned) there were some Bell-distributed Big Tree singles that were listed as "compatible stereo". At least one of Lobo's 1973 singles was issued this way. Interesting to note that "How Do You Do"-Mouth & McNeil was listed as mono on some labels (the later dark blue ones), but was actually stereo. |
jimct wrote:Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 8:18am
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Jim, I now think my memory was wrong on this. What I recall now (after reading your response) is that 1972 was the year that the labels were forced to put the YEAR of publication on the 45, e.g (P) 1972. Very few 45s before 1972 actually said what year they were pressed. After 1972, I believe all 45s did (or were at least supposed to).
Since the '90s, I've bought hundreds of unknown-to-me old singles that didn't have a year listed, and every single time I researched it, all these 45s were pressed in 1971 or earlier (and maybe a few from 1972 but never later.) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 10:45am
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There was an earlier "first stereo Bell commercial 45" discussion in the http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2083&PN=1&TPN=1 - "Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" thread . As I'd mentioned there, the first stock Bell 45 specifically designated as stereo I ever bought was Sandalwood's http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Sandalwood-LovinNaturally-1.jpg - "Lovin' Naturally" in August, 1973.
Gordon, I kind of like your initial memory. Had there actually been such a requirement on the books, just think of the class action suits we could file over all those improperly marked stereo and mono singles! :) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 12:22pm
I think this was from changes in copyright law at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that pre-1972, there wasn't any federal copyright protection for sound recordings, just a hodge-podge of state laws. For 1972 and after, the federal infrastructure was put into place. The pre- and post-1972 labeling still crops up on US compilation CDs. Anything 1972 and newer gets a date, anything pre-1972 is optional. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 03 February 2012 at 4:03pm
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Great info here, guys. Yes, I think Gordon's "revised memory" is correct
about copyright years dates being the info that had to appear on 45 labels from '72 on, not the words "mono" or "stereo". I agree that most labels I mentioned did issue at least a few stereo 45s. My earlier point was that I think ZZ Top's "Tush" from 1975 was one of the very first London 45s I recall buying that actually said "stereo" on the label. Some previous 45s by these labels were issued in stereo, but no stereo/mono stated deisgnation appeared on the label at all for these singles. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 6:06am
| Hey what do the rest of you guys have on "Don't Do It" by the Band? The list above says mono. I thought that was a stereo single. However, my surviving copy is a Capitol (Starline) reissue so I can't confirm what was on the original stock. (Starline is stereo, with the added applause on the intro) |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 7:47am
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My original 45 is Mono. But it is also a promo. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 8:24am
Bill, my Hollywood-pressed http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Band-DontDoItstock.jpg - stock copy states "stereo" on the label and the etched deadwax has the usual "S-45..." designation found on stereo Capitol matrices. But the record actually plays mono (although B-side "Rag Mama Rag" does play stereo.) For those who might be interested, the mono A-side was mastered by noted engineer Robert Ludwig at Sterling Sound. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 12:03pm
from the afore-mentioned, two Detroit Emeralds "they state stereo, but are mono" Top 40 hits, "Don't Do It" was the *only* other 1972 song I found that also said "stereo", but was actually mono. I listened more than once to it, to be sure, and very carefully (because Capitol has a reliable rep with me when they state "stereo".) No doubt to my mind - 100% mono. My exact song report to Todd was "says stereo, but is mono." No doubt due to "1972 info overload", he chose only to include the actual "mono" info on his list. Perhaps him reporting the "stated" info as well might've headed off your question, because I distinctly remember that 45 stating "stereo" on the label; perhaps you did as well. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 1:44pm
| Yes I remember seeing stereo on the label, and for some reason I've lost my original 45 and only have the Starline re-issue with "Ain't Got No Home" on the other side. The Starline 45 states stereo and actually is stereo, and is the single edit with the fake applause added to the beginning. But Starline doesn't count! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 04 February 2012 at 6:21pm
I guess I just figured that indicating whether each 45 was in actual "mono" or "stereo" would suffice for everyone, but if some would like to see mislabeled 45 mono/stereo notations included on the lists as well, I can go back and add the information accordingly. If there's any mislabeled 45s that need to be added to previous yearly listings, please let me know. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 06 February 2012 at 6:36pm
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I notice most of the R&B songs are in mono. ------------- |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 8:07pm
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These stayed mono for a year or two due to jukeboxes in Black oriented establishments being hand me down machines which were older and many Black Stations often making do with older hand me down equipment not suitable for Stereo record playback on air. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: TimNeely
Date Posted: 04 February 2014 at 7:48pm
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My stock copy on the Mums label of "It Never Rains in Southern California" by Albert Hammond is unquestionably in rechanneled stereo.
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 04 February 2014 at 8:25pm
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Tim, thanks for the sharp-eyed catch on "It Never Rains In Southern California." I have four Mums 45s, all of which are rechanneled:
* Mums 6011 mono/stereo DJ 45, Terre Haute pressing ("stereo version" side rechanneled) * Mums 6011 stock, Terre Haute pressing (two copies) * Mums Golden Oldies 6251 reissue, Pitman pressing Does anyone have a true stereo Mums 45? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 04 February 2014 at 8:29pm
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 05 February 2014 at 3:56am
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Tim and John, thanks to both of you for your "eagle ears!" I think this is one
of the first (E), but states stereo 45s that Todd and I have happened upon in our 1968-1975 project travels. My non-expert ears likely thought it to be narrow stereo, during my initial sweep. Since Todd made all these posts, only he can modify this info. Which I have no doubt he will do, next time he logs on! |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:22am
| Just heard Pat's copy of "It Never Rains" and it's true stereo, so my guess is that first pressings were fake stereo, and that was corrected on later pressings. I updated my "It Never Rain's" thread. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 3:38pm
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Does anyone know if "Outa-Space" from Billy Preston is a
fold-down or is it a dedicated mono mix? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:29pm
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John, I'm still not sure, although I've just researched it a bit for you.
Right away, one thing to be mindful of here is that "Outa-Space", which peaked at #2 in July 1972, was *not* the original A side of A&M 1320. The flip, "I Wrote A Simple Song" was. And "...Simple Song" peaked a full 5 months before "Outa-Space" did, at #77, in Feb. 1972. Original A&M 1320 promo copies had mono/stereo versions of "I Wrote A Simple Song" on it. Once "...Simple Song" stiffed out, the label pressed up new A&M 1320 promo 45s, this time with "Outa-Space" as the A-side, and included it on both sides. My promo 45 copy includes the mono version of "Outa-Space" on both sides. And although no scan is included for it (and I've never seen one), Discogs indicates that there were also A&M 1320 promo 45s released in 1972 that included listed (4:08), mono/stereo versions for "Outa-Space". The few promo 45 "Outa-Space" label scans I've just found online all look exactly like my copy - mono on both sides. Does anyone happen to own an A&M 1320 mono/stereo "Outa-Space" promo 45? Guys like Aaron or Mark Mathews frequently do sound wave analysis, to confirm/refute the existence of a dedicated mono mix. Comparing the two sides would reveal the answer to John's question. There is also another way. Take any mono 45 version of "Outa-Space", promo or stock, and analyze/compare it to stereo CD versions of the song. Hopefully, Mark might have access to an original stock copy. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:55pm
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I did find a dub on YouTube (albeit one channel) from a
stock 45. Hard to tell about a dedicated mix there. But, the 45 on YouTube actually ran 4:13, not 4:08. Possible that the YouTube contributor's turntable was slow, but there is no 45 run time listed in the db. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 11:46am
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Jim, I don't have a promo 45 of "Outa-Space" (my only A&M 1320 DJ 45 is the original mono/stereo "I Wrote A Simple Song") but I don't recall playing a "Space" DJ 45 at my college station that had a stereo side.
That's not to say one doesn't actually exist, in spite of the lack of photographic evidence in the Discogs entry (although I find such unsubstantiated entries to be unreliable.) The reason I say that is because the Discogs promo 45 listed for Billy's 1973 hit, "Will It Go Round In Circles" on A&M 1411 is a mono/stereo pairing, with photo. I have two different promos of A&M 1411, neither of which has a stereo side: 1) an initial mono/mono coupling of "Circles" and "Blackbird," with neither "mono" nor any "A" side label designation, and 2) a second promo with "Circles" on both sides in mono and stated as such on the label. Both of these - like the Discogs mono/stereo DJ 45 - are vinyl Monarch pressings. Seems the folks at A&M weren't quite sure what to do with Billy's promo 45s there for awhile! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 August 2015 at 8:17am
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Paging Todd Ireland! Here's one that needs to be updated: "You Don't Mess Around With Jim" by Jim Croce. Some pressings are mono, and some pressings are stereo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 05 October 2015 at 7:08am
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Yes, saw several different copies of the Jim Croce 45.
Some mono, some Stereo, original pressings. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: t horton
Date Posted: 26 March 2016 at 8:29am
| I've got a stock pressing of Al Green's "You Ought to Be with Me" that's in stereo. From what I can gather, it was pressed by PRC Recording Corp., Richmond, IN. Really appreciate the work that went into compiling these lists. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 5:57pm
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my commercial 45 of alice cooper's song 'elected' issued as
warner 7631 sounds stereo to me and NOT mono as listed in this thread.....can anyone else confirm my findings?....this entry may need to be amended. ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 10:41pm
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Good pickup, Ed. I made the original mono report, and the entire first
verse sounded 100% stone mono to me. Perhaps I got interrupted/distracted during my earlier listen (life happens), and didn't make it all the way through listening to "Elected", however, as my policy was always to listen *especially* carefully to the 45s, when my ear heard mono, but the label noted either an "S" or "ST" in its deadwax notation present (and it was "(QNY 0462)S)") here. Thanks to Ed's heads up here, I just now re-pulled/re-checked my WB 7631 stock 45, and did clearly hear, at the start of the second verse, a prominent rhythm keyboard or guitar kick in, that is clearly in stereo. I have just changed my stock 45's Post-It Note for "Elected" from mono to stereo. FYI, my WB 7631 promo 45 for the song is mono/stereo - the mono side's label deadwax is "(QNY0462)", while the stereo side is identical to the stock 45's equivalent info I've already detailed up thread. My apologies for the initial inaccurate report, and thanks again for your helpful double check, Ed! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 11 January 2017 at 7:27pm
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my commercial 45 for the michael jackson song 'ben' issued
as motown 1207 sounds like its stereo to me and NOT mono as listed in the thread...can anyone else pull out their stock 45 and give it a spin to confirm my findings......the run out groove info is 'mizo7f - 61234 - 7a' ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 11 January 2017 at 7:39pm
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another michael jackson 45 'rockin robin' issued as motown
1197 sounds clearly mono to me on my stock 45 while the db states the 45 is in stereo...again, can someone pull out their commercial 45 for this song to confirm my findings....the run out groove info is 'M-1197F-60767- 1A'.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 11:03am
| Can't speak for the commercial 45 Ed but the dj copy features mono on one side and stereo on the other with the stereo matrix number M-1197F 607676-1A-S. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 11:33am
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Regarding Ed's two new stock 45 reports, assuming them both to be correct,
then this thread's 1972 db needs to be updated to "both mono and stereo" in both instances. I have just pulled/re-confirmed the accuracy of both of my original reports. My "Ben" stock 45 is confirmed as mono, with handwritten deadwax info of "M1207F-61234-7AM", while my "Rockin' Robin" stock 45 is confirmed as stereo, with handwritten deadwax info of "M1197F-60767-.1 A.-S". |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 4:04pm
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Is the mono "Ben" and the mono "Rockin' Robin" a fold
down or dedicated mono mix? |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 8:13pm
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So, The Complete Motown Singles missed the opportunity to provide us with a
mono "Rockin' Robin" and "Ben". :( ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 12 January 2017 at 8:24pm
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John, I remember when the two 1972 Complete Motown Singles volumes
came out several years ago. It was the first year that the label's 45s were more often than not (with several clear exceptions, such as the Temps' late '72 smash, "Papa Was A Rolling Stone") initially mixed to stereo. This left the Box Set compilers with a choice: do they include the stereo or mono 45 versions on the 1972 CMS sets? The liner notes stated that they eventually opted to include the stereo 45 masters, explaining that the 1972 Motown mono 45 masters which also had a stereo 45 master made were *always* simply fold-downs. In other words, according to Harry Weinger and his staff's research, Motown had created no 1972 dedicated mono mixes. So then choosing to leave off the mono fold-downs were 1) no big deal, and 2) allowed the 1972 volumes in the CMS series to maintain its past years' price point and 2) keep the # of discs per volume at 5 pr 6, as all the other years' CMS volumes had been. Man, there sure has been a lot of "is it a dedicated mono mix" questions on here of late! We've kicked this topic around on here for years now. We *all* want to know which hit songs had them. Sadly, for those asking in 2017, it is still near-impossible for any of us to answer these queries without two things: 1) having access to mono 45 masters that often only existed on promo 45 copies, and 2) Requiring always very-time- consuming, case-by-case analysis by extremely busy, high-level audio analysts like Aaron or Mark. Personally, I will forever refuse to ask questions like this on here, feeling that I'd either be taking advantage of those guys' kindness (because I am positive that neither one has the time to work on such things, 100% as a favor to others), or to assume that they always have access to rare, original promo 45s, when I know for a fact that they don't. All I ask, once again, is to not forget that when you ask about dedicated mono mixes, you're really asking a *lot* of some of our busy, very top T4MOC experts. And unless it happens to be that all-too-rare case where Mark had already analyzed it for a paying client (like with "Heart Of Gold"), getting you answers will always require much time and effort by others, if the answer can be determined at all. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 January 2017 at 2:29pm
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Thanks, Jim for the excellent response. I hadn't
purchased any of the Motown Singles sets, only purchased the various tracks I wanted through iTunes etc., so I wasn't privy to the liner notes. I know the 1960s mono Motown mixes just blow the stereo mixes out of the water and I wanted to confirm that this wasn't still the case for 1972. Unfortunately, many of the YouTube channels that I've used to compare 45 to lp and mono to stereo mixes have all but disappeared or the sound of the 45 is being picked up from a camera mic 5 feet away. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 January 2017 at 7:29pm
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Ah yes - disappearing videos. FYI .. some may have noticed this already. Universal, Warner and Sony have been actively and prolifically posting music from their back catalog on You-tube. It's a bit hap-hazard right now, but they continue to post more every week. when they do this, they usually have "bots" search out other videos with the same music "wav print" and have them taken down.
They don't hit on all the videos, so I still see plenty of others still there. But some will disappear. Logically, they want the most plays to go to their own posts. This trend will continue. This is the only sensible move I've seen the majors make since the downloading and streaming era began. MM |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 January 2017 at 12:54pm
| In this case, Mark, at least the original music video (from Universal, Warner and Sony) will still be on YouTube, and probably in better quality than a fan's recording (most likely off MTV). What is bothersome to me is when a rare video is taken down and not replaced by the label by their copy of a music video, which I'm guessing happens fairly often. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 14 January 2017 at 3:03pm
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What I was referring to was when someone played a 45
from start to finish with the audio of the turntable directly plugged into the camcorder, not using the microphone. The labels are getting those videos pulled too. Many of the videos with the poor quality audio from a turntable or record player and external mic remain. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 14 January 2017 at 7:38pm
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It would be sad if those actual 45 (and to a lesser extent, LP) dubs are
removed from YouTube. In recent years, it has been one of the few ways to confirm an actual 45, since the labels are often not keen to issue 45 versions on CD, or worse, issue the wrong version labelled as such. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 10:40pm
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Apologies for not catching this one sooner: the stock copy of Bread's "Diary" I bought in 1972 both states and plays stereo, as does its "B" side, "Down On My Knees". The handwritten deadwax matrix prefixes are "EKS" on both sides, indicative of stereo Elektra cuttings.
This one appears to be a case where only the Columbia Terre Haute commercial pressings were in stereo. The Specialty, Columbia Pitman and Columbia Santa Maria stocks, as well as the promo 45 (with the same A and B-side pairings as the stocks) all stated and played mono. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 06 November 2017 at 10:44am
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John,
Quick question. Do the stock and promo copies of "Diary" contain a dedicated mono mix as earlier Bread recordings did? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 4:13pm
John, I can't speak for the stock mono copies, since mine is stereo. I didn't think I had a promo, but one was lurking on the shelves. Yes, the DJ 45 is a dedicated mono mix. The Moog flourishes are noticeably more prominent on it than they are when the stereo stock is reduced to mono. Curiously, the lone Terre Haute stereo styrene stock 45 isn't a rogue Columbia mastering: both it and my Philips Recording Company (later PRC) vinyl mono DJ 45 were cut by the same mastering engineer. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 04 August 2019 at 6:50pm
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If anyone knows this answer to this:
Butler, Jerry, and Brenda Lee Eager - "Ain't Understanding Mellow" (mono) Thats what it says on the list for 1972, but there is a stereo radio edit of the song on discogs. Does that mean the 45 is stereo also? https://www.discogs.com/Jerry-Butler-And-Brenda-Lee-Eager-Aint-Understanding-Mellow-Windy-City-Soul/release/12401760 - https://www.discogs.com/Jerry-Butler-And-Brenda-Lee-Eager-Ai nt-Understanding-Mellow-Windy-City-Soul/release/12401760 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 05 August 2019 at 2:17pm
No. But there could be some commercial pressings of the 45 that were stereo. Unfortunately whoever posted that entry didn't provide the matrix. EDIT: Actually, the topic of the stereo promo was covered in this old thread about the song: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2066 - http://www.top40musiconcd.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2066 That "2-49344" number is for the stereo pressing. If you can find a commercial pressing with that number, then that should be the stereo edit. If it's the normal "1-47771" number, then it's mono. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 03 September 2019 at 11:15pm
| I am taking it Convention 72 never was released in stereo, correct? Anyone know the answer? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 September 2019 at 8:52am
I've only heard it in mono. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 September 2019 at 8:54am
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BTW, Bob Zamboni (whose radio name was Bob DeCarlo) was
doing mornings in Pittsburgh radio in 1972 when that song became a hit. Apparently, he did rather well financially because of the recording. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |