List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1973
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Topic: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1973
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: List of mono and Stereo 45s - 1973
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 12:42am
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The following is a list of every single that peaked on the Billboard Top 40 chart in 1973 (based on Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication) and also includes the Top 40 hits Pat has included in the database based a composite of other music charts. Through a collaborative effort with my partner-in-crime Jim (a.k.a. "jimct") and some valuable assistance from KentT, Paul Haney, and Yah Shure, we've made our best effort to determine whether the corresponding commercial 45 release for each single was issued in mono or stereo. This list only accounts for original 45 releases and not later re-issues.
I have posted a mono/stereo 45 list for each year from 1968-1975 (see links below) and hope forum members and fellow music collectors will find these lists to be a useful reference guide. I also highly encourage anyone to let me know if there are any errors, inaccuracies, or omissions so that I can make the necessary corrections. Allman Brothers Band, The - "Ramblin Man" (stereo) America - "Don't Cross the River" (stereo) Berry, Chuck - "Reelin' & Rockin'" (stereo) Bloodstone - "Natural High" (mono) Bloodstone - "Never Let You Go" (mono and stereo) Blue Haze - "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" (mono) Blue Ridge Rangers, The - "Hearts of Stone" (mono) Blue Ridge Rangers, The - "Jambalaya (on the Bayou)" (mono) Bowie, David - "Space Oddity" (stereo) Bread - "Aubrey" (stereo) Brighter Side of Darkness - "Love Jones" (stereo) Brown, James - "I Got Ant in My Pants-Part 1 (and I Want to Dance)" (stereo) Carpenters - "Sing" (stereo) Carpenters - "Top of the World" (stereo) Carpenters - "Yesterday Once More" (mono and stereo, though all 45 copies state "stereo" on the label) Cheech & Chong - "Basketball Jones Featuring Tyrone Shoelaces" (mono) Cher - "Half-Breed" (stereo) Chicago - "Feelin' Stronger Every Day" (stereo) Chicago - "Just You 'n' Me" (stereo) Chi-Lites, The - "A Letter to Myself" (stereo) Chi-Lites, The - "Stoned out of My Mind" (stereo) Collins, Judy - "Cook with Honey" (stereo) Como, Perry - "And I Love You So" (stereo) Cooper, Alice - "Hello Hurray" (mono) Cooper, Alice - "No More Mr. Nice Guy" (stereo) Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose - "I'm Never Gonna Be Alone Anymore" (stereo) Covay, Don - "I Was Checkin' Out She Was Checkin' In" (stereo) Croce, Jim - "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown" (mono) Croce, Jim - "I Got a Name" (stereo) Croce, Jim - "One Less Set of Footsteps" (mono) Croce, Jim - "Time in a Bottle" (stereo) Cross Country - "In the Midnight Hour" (stereo) Daniels, Charlie - "Uneasy Rider" (stereo) Davis, Tyrone - "There It Is" (stereo) Dawn featuring Tony Orlando - "Say, Has Anybody Seen My Sweet Gypsy Rose" (mono) Dawn featuring Tony Orlando - "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree" (mono) Dawn [Tony Orlando & Dawn] - "Who's in the Strawberry Patch with Sally" (mono) Deep Purple - "Smoke on the Water" (mono) DeFranco Family, The, featuring Tony DeFranco - "Heartbeat - It's a Lovebeat" (stereo) Dells, The - "Give Your Baby a Standing Ovation" (mono) Denver, John - "Rocky Mountain High" (stereo) Deodato - "Also Sprach Zarathustra (2001)" (stereo) Diamond, Neil - "Be" (stereo) Diamond, Neil - "'Cherry Cherry' from Hot August Night" (stereo) Dibango, Manu - "Soul Makossa" (stereo) Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show - "The Cover of 'Rolling Stone'" (stereo) Dr. John - "Right Place Wrong Time" (stereo) Doobie Brothers, The - "China Grove" (stereo) Doobie Brothers, The - "Jesus Is Just Alright" (stereo) Doobie Brothers, The - "Long Train Runnin'" (stereo) Dylan, Bob - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" (stereo) Dyson, Ronnie - "One Man Band (Plays All Alone)" (stereo) Eagles - "Peaceful Easy Feeling" (stereo) Edward Bear - "Close Your Eyes" (stereo) Edward Bear - "Last Song" (stereo) El Chicano - "Tell Her She's Lovely" (stereo) Fairchild, Barbara - "Teddy Bear Song" (stereo) Fargo, Donna - "Funny Face" (stereo) Fargo, Donna - "Superman" (stereo) 5th Dimension, The - "Living Together, Growing Together" (mono) First Choice - "Armed and Extremely Dangerous" (mono) Flack, Roberta - "Killing Me Softly with His Song" (stereo) Flack, Roberta - "Jesse" (stereo) Focus - "Hocus Pocus" (stereo) Four Tops - "Ain't No Woman (Like the One I've Got)" (mono) Four Tops - "Are You Man Enough" (mono) Four Tops, The - "Keeper of the Castle" (mono) Four Tops - "Sweet Understanding Love" (stereo) Franklin, Aretha - "Angel" (stereo) Franklin, Aretha - "Master of Eyes (The Deepness of Your Eyes)" (stereo) Gallery - "Big City Miss Ruth Ann" (mono) Garfunkel - "All I Know" (stereo) Gaye, Marvin - "Come Get to This" (stereo) Gaye, Marvin - "Let's Get It On" (stereo) Gaye, Marvin - "Trouble Man" (stereo) Geils, J., Band - "Give It to Me" (stereo) Goldsboro, Bobby - "Summer (The First Time)" (stereo) Grand Funk - "We're an American Band" (stereo) Gray, Dobie - "Drift Away" (stereo) Green, Al - "Call Me (Come Back Home)" (mono) Green, Al - "Here I Am (Come and Take Me)" (mono) Gunhill Road - "Back When My Hair Was Short" (stereo) Haggard, Merle - "If We Make It Through December" (stereo) Harrison, George - "Give Me Love - (Give Me Peace on Earth)" (stereo) Holmes, Clint - "Playground in My Mind" (stereo) Independents, The - "Baby I've Been Missing You" (stereo) Independents, The - "Leaving Me" (stereo) Ingram, Luther - "I'll Be Your Shelter (in Time of Storm)" (mono) Intruders, The - "I'll Always Love My Mama (Part I)" (stereo) Isley Brothers, The - "That Lady (Part 1)" (stereo) Jackson, Jermaine - "Daddy's Home" (stereo) Jackson, Millie - "Hurts So Good" (mono) Jackson 5, The - "Get It Together" (stereo) Jackson 5, The - "Hallelujah Day" (stereo) Jethro Tull - "Living in the Past" (stereo) John, Elton - "Crocodile Rock" (stereo) John, Elton - "Daniel" (stereo) John, Elton - "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" (stereo) John, Elton - "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting" (stereo) John & Ernest - "Super Fly Meets Shaft" (mono) Kendricks, Eddie - "Keep on Truckin' (Part 1)" (stereo) King, B.B. - "To Know You Is to Love You" (mono) King, Carole - "Been to Canaan" (mono) King, Carole - "Believe in Humanity" (stereo) King, Carole - "Corazon" (stereo) King Harvest - "Dancing in the Moonlight" (mono) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Daddy Could Swear, I Declare" (stereo) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Midnight Train to Georgia" (stereo) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Neither One of Us (Wants to Be the First to Say Goodbye)" (stereo) Knight, Gladys, & the Pips - "Where Peaceful Waters Flow" (stereo) Kool & the Gang - "Funky Stuff" (stereo) Kristofferson, Kris - "Why Me" (mono) Lawrence, Vicki - "The Night the Lights Went out in Georgia" (mono and stereo) Led Zeppelin - "D'yer Mak'er" (stereo) Lennon, John - "Mind Games" (stereo) Lewis, Jerry Lee - "Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O'Dee" (stereo) Lobo - "Don't Expect Me to Be Your Friend" (stereo) Lobo - "How Can I Tell Her" (stereo) Lobo - "It Sure Took a Long, Long Time" (stereo) Loggins & Messina - "My Music" (stereo) Loggins & Messina - "Thinking of You" (stereo) Loggins, Kenny, and Jim Messina - "Your Mama Don't Dance" (stereo) Looking Glass - "Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne" (stereo) Manhattans - "There's No Me Without You" (stereo) Mason, Barbara - "Give Me Your Love" (mono) Mayfield, Curtis - "Future Shock" (stereo) Mayfield, Curtis - "Superfly" (mono) McGovern, Maureen - "The Morning After" (stereo) McLean, Don - "Dreidel" (stereo) Melanie - "Bitter Bad" (stereo) Melvin, Harold, and the Blue Notes - "The Love I Lost (Part 1)" (stereo) Midler, Bette - "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" (stereo) Midler, Bette - "Do You Want to Dance?" (stereo) Midler, Bette - "Friends" (stereo) Mitchell, Joni - "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" (mono) Moody Blues, The - "I'm Just a Singer (in a Rock and Roll Band)" (mono) Moore, Jackie - "Sweet Charlie Babe" (stereo) Murray, Anne - "Danny's Song" (stereo) Nash, Johnny - "Stir It Up" (stereo) New Birth, The - "I Can Understand It" (stereo) New Seekers, The - "Pinball Wizard/See Me, Feel Me" (stereo) New York City - "I'm Doin' Fine Now" (stereo) Ohio Players - "Ecstasy" (stereo) Ohio Players - "Funky Worm (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label) O'Jays, The - "Love Train" (stereo) O'Jays, The - "Time to Get Down" (stereo) Osmond, Donny - "A Million to One" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "The Twelfth of Never" (mono) Osmond, Donny - "Young Love" (mono) Osmond, Marie - "Paper Roses" (stereo) Osmonds, The - "Goin' Home" (mono) Osmonds, The - "Let Me In" (mono) O'Sullivan, Gilbert - "Get Down" (mono) O'Sullivan, Gilbert - "Ooh Baby" (mono) O'Sullivan, Gilbert - "Out of the Question" (mono) Partridge Family, The, starring Shirley Jones featuring David Cassidy - "Looking Through the Eyes of Love" (mono and stereo) Peebles, Ann - "I Can't Stand the Rain" (mono) Persuaders, The - "Some Guys Have All the Luck" (stereo) Pickett, Bobby "Boris" - "Monster Mash" (mono) Pink Floyd - "Money" (stereo) Pointer Sisters - "Yes We Can Can" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Fool" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Raised on Rock" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Separate Ways" (stereo) Presley, Elvis - "Steamroller Blues" (stereo) Preston, Billy - "Space Race" (mono) Preston, Billy - "Will It Go Round in Circles" (mono) Pruett, Jeanne - "Satin Sheets" (stereo) Raspberries - "I Wanna Be with You" (stereo) Raspberries - "Let's Pretend" (stereo) Reddy, Helen - "Delta Dawn" (stereo) Reddy, Helen - "Leave Me Alone (Ruby Red Dress)" (stereo) Reddy, Helen - "Peaceful" (stereo) Reed, Lou - "Walk on the Wild Side" (stereo) Rich, Charlie - "Behind Closed Doors" (stereo) Rich, Charlie - "The Most Beautiful Girl" (stereo) Rivers, Johnny - "Blue Suede Shoes" (stereo) Rivers, Johnny - "Rockin' Pneumonia - Boogie Woogie Flu" (stereo) Rolling Stones, The - "Angie" (stereo) Rolling Stones, The - "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (mono) Ross, Diana - "Good Morning Heartache" (stereo) Ross, Diana - "Touch Me in the Morning" (stereo) Ross, Diana, & Marvin Gaye - "You're a Special Part of Me" (stereo) Rundgren, Todd - "Hello It's Me" (stereo) Seals & Crofts - "Diamond Girl" (stereo) Seals & Crofts - "Hummingbird" (stereo) Seals & Crofts - "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" (mono and stereo) Simon, Carly - "The Right Thing to Do" (mono) Simon, Carly - "You're So Vain" (stereo) Simon, Joe - "Step by Step" (mono) Simon, Joe, featuring the Mainstreeters - "Theme from Cleopatra Jones" (mono) Simon, Paul - "Kodachrome" (stereo) Simon, Paul (with the Dixie Hummingbirds) - "Loves Me Like a Rock" (stereo) Skylark - "Wildflower" (stereo) Sly & the Family Stone - "If You Want Me to Stay" (stereo) Smith, Hurricane - "Oh, Babe, What Would You Say?" (stereo) Spinners - "Could It Be I'm Falling in Love" (stereo) Spinners - "Ghetto Child" (stereo) Spinners - "One of a Kind (Love Affair)" (stereo) Stafford, Jim - "Swamp Witch" (stereo) Stampley, Joe - "Soul Song" (stereo) Staple Singers, The - "If You're Ready (Come Go with Me)" (stereo) Staple Singers, The - "Oh La De Da" (mono) Starr, Ringo - "Photograph" (stereo) Stealers Wheel - "Stuck in the Middle with You" (mono) Steely Dan - "Do It Again" (mono) Steely Dan - "Reeling in the Years" (mono) Stevens, Cat - "The Hurt" (stereo) Stevens, Cat - "Sitting" (stereo) Stevenson, B.W. - "My Maria" (stereo) Stories - "Brother Louie" (mono and stereo) Strunk, Jud - "Daisy a Day" (stereo) Stylistics, The - "Break up to Make Up" (stereo) Stylistics, The - "Rockin' Roll Baby" (mono) Stylistics, The - "You'll Never Get to Heaven (If You Break My Heart)" (mono) Sutherland Brothers & Quiver - "(I Don't Want to Love You but) You Got Me Anyway" (stereo) Sweet, The - "Little Willy" (mono) Sylvers, Foster - "Misdemeanor" (stereo) Sylvia - "Pillow Talk" (mono) Tavares - "Check It Out" (stereo) Taylor, James - "Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight" (stereo) Taylor, Johnny - "Cheaper to Keep Her" (stereo) Taylor, Johnnie - "I Believe in You (You Believe in Me)" (stereo) Temptations, The - "Hey Girl (I Like Your Style)" (stereo) Temptations, The - "Masterpiece" (stereo) Temptations, The - "The Plastic Man" (stereo) Thomas, Timmy - "Why Can't We Live Together" (mono) Three Dog Night - "Let Me Serenade You" (stereo - electronically rechanneled) Three Dog Night - "Pieces of April" (mono) Three Dog Night - "Shambala" (mono) Tower of Power - "So Very Hard to Go" (stereo) Turner, Ike & Tina - "Nutbush City Limits" (stereo) Twitty, Conway - "You've Never Been This Far Before" (stereo) Wainwright, Loudon, III - "Dead Skunk" (stereo) Walsh, Joe - "Rocky Mountain Way" (stereo) War - "The Cisco Kid" (stereo) War - "Gypsy Man" (stereo) War - "The World Is a Ghetto" (stereo) Weissberg, Eric - "Dueling Banjos" (mono) Wesley, Fred, & the J.B's - "Doing It to Death" (mono) White, Barry - "I'm Gonna Love You Just a Little More Baby" (stereo) White, Barry - "I've Got So Much to Give" (stereo) Wings - "Hi, Hi, Hi" (stereo) Wings - "Live and Let Die" (stereo) Wings [Paul McCartney & Wings] - "My Love" (stereo) Winter, Edgar, Group - "Frankenstein" (stereo) Winter, Edgar, Group - "Free Ride" (stereo) Withers, Bill - "Kissing My Love" (stereo) Who, The - "The Relay" (stereo) Womack, Bobby - "Nobody Wants You When You're Down and Out" (stereo) Womack, Bobby, & Peace - "Harry Hippie" (stereo) Wonder, Stevie - "Higher Ground" (stereo) Wonder, Stevie - "Superstition" (stereo) Wonder, Stevie - "You Are the Sunshine of My Life" (stereo) Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6618&PN=2 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1968 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6620&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1969 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6625&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1970 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6627&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1971 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6628&PN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1972 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6641&PN=1&TPN=1 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1974 Click this link for: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6644&KW=1975 - List of Mono and Stereo 45s - 1975 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 1:00am
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Scoreboard update...
Here are the percentages (rounded to the nearest tenth) of Top 40 commercial 45s issued in stereo by year. 1973 clearly saw an explosive increase of stereo 45 releases: 1973: 74.8% 1972: 51.9% 1971: 35.7% 1970: 26.9% 1969: 19.1% 1968: 3.1% |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 10:37am
| Great job, guys! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 11:12am
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Great stuff, Todd. I just knew the stereo 45s percentage for 1973 would
jump more than for previous years. I expect the same for 1974. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 11:53am
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To Todd:
Could you please double-check your commercial copy of "Let Me Serenade You"? I *believe* the stereo side of the slightly-remixed promo 45 is rechanneled (split delay line) stereo; I was wondering if the commercial 45 is a true-stereo version. Thanks, Andy |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 6:36pm
| On my longtime wish list for CD - the true 45 version of "Thinking Of You" from Loggins & Messina. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 6:38pm
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Seconded, maybe as a bonus track on a Legacy reissue. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 7:30pm
Andy, the stock 45 is the same (E) stereo as the stereo side of the DJ 45, per the 2008 "Serenade" thread http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4396&PN=165 - here . |
AndrewChouffi wrote:Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 7:35pm
listened to it for you. It does also include the same, horrible "split delay line, electronic stereo" version as your promo 45 does. Maybe Todd and I should've "editorialized" a bit more on some of these (narrow stereo, "E" stereo, "Jimmy-Ienner-distortion" stereo, etc.), on a few of these! :) (**Oops - I see that John (Yah Shure) beat me to the reply by 5 minutes; sorry for the dupe info**) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 8:03pm
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Sorry for the faster fingers, Jim. :) And I concur that an (E) notation would be helpful for cases such as this, plus it would be in keeping with Pat's use of that symbol.
Speaking of symbols, perhaps the "Tooth's" logo would suffice for identifying those "Sound Of Ienner" productions, if it were deemed absolutely necessary. Or maybe a Verrazano-Narrows Bridge icon. :) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 February 2012 at 9:30pm
| I've now updated the list to reflect that commercial 45 copies of Three Dog Night's "Let Me Serenade You" are in electronically rechanneled stereo. If anyone knows of other electronically rechanneled stereo 45s not accounted for in previous yearly mono/stereo lists, please bring them to my attention. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 11 February 2012 at 5:00pm
What about this one: Raspberries - "I Wanna Be with You" (stereo) If this one's stereo, it's extremely narrow. Comparing the mono & stereo sides of my promo the only difference I hear is a bit of "spacial" reverb. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 11 February 2012 at 7:16pm
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To Hykker:
"I Wanna Be With You" IS stereo! As Jim so accurately & eloquently tagged it, it's 'Jimmy-Ienner-distortion' stereo!! Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 February 2012 at 10:40am
| It's funny - when Yah Shure mentioned "Jimmy-Ienner-distortion" stereo, the first thing I thought of was "I Wanna Be With You". But it's the ONLY thing I thought of, as the other Raspberries singles have much better separation. Were there any other Ienner productions whose stereo was as narrow as "Go All the Way"? |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 10:36am
By "Jimmy-Ienner-distortion stereo" do you mean different compression parameters on left & right channels (as was discussed in the "Go All The Way" thread? If so, how does that differ from being just another form of (E)? |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 11:00am
| I started buying 45s in summer '72, and I'm surprised to see how many '72-'74 45s I owned that were in mono, and I never noticed at the time. I had a stereo record player. Granted the speakers were attached and were only 2 feet apart from each other, but I just never noticed a difference when I was playing mono 45s! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 11:04am
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It's amazing to me how it took the music industry over 6 years [1968-1975] to go from nearly-all-mono-45s to nearly-all-stereo-45s (with 1975 being very close to 100%, I presume.) You'd think the music industry would be really fast paced.
Then again, how many years did it take the music industry to switch from all-vinyl albums to you-can-buy-any-album-you-want-on-CD (and I'm referring to top 200 albums, not necessarily independent albums). Was it 1983 when people could start buying some of their favorite current albums on domestic CDs? And what was the last year that you had to be forced to buy an album on vinyl because the label chose not to release it on CD? My last album like that was a late-1986 Stacy Lattisaw album - it didn't come out on CD until 2011. But I'm guessing the LAST year a fan had to sometimes be forced to buy an album on vinyl (because the label refused to release it on CD) was 1989 or 1990 - which would also be about a 7-year span. Anyone have a more accurate estimate of this? |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 12:07pm
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To Hykker:
In "I Wanna Be with You''s case I do believe it really IS true stereo; I truly do hear some instrument as well as backup vocal separation (especially when widened). I am one of the few that actually think "Go All The Way" is 'legally' true stereo as my ears hear it being mixed on a stereo board with most of the potentiometers going damn near straight-up-the-middle (but individual reverb returns being somewhat panned). I do not believe it was mixed to full-track mono, then cleverly rechanneled. Andy |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 7:31pm
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The Raspberries Capitol material is true Stereo, albeit of the narrow variety. It was part of their retro rock sound. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 13 February 2012 at 8:38pm
Go All The Way most definitely the narrowest stereo possible... if you widen the stereo field, the vocals during the intro to the song show up only in the right channel...and you can hear the intro in widened stereo here: http://www.divshare.com/download/16787033-9e3 ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 February 2012 at 9:54am
| Thanks for the confirmation regarding "Go All the Way", Tom! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 15 June 2013 at 5:37am
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paul...my commercial 45 for the seals & croft song "we may
never pass this way again' issued as warner 7740 does not state a mono or stereo note on the label but sounds like mono to me....your list says it's stereo.....my run out groove info is machine stamped 'QCA 3707 S-1C' ...can anyone review their commercial 45 for verification?..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 June 2013 at 7:01pm
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Ed:
I'll have to defer to Jim to double-check his Seals & Crofts' "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" commercial 45 to confirm if it is indeed in stereo. Though given that the duo's two prior Top 40 singles from 1973 ("Hummingbird" and "Diamond Girl") were both issued on commercial 45 in stereo, I would be inclined to think at least some pressings of "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" would've been in stereo as well. If you're not 100% certain whether yours is in mono, I'd be happy to take a listen to a dub of your 45 and report back with my analysis. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 June 2013 at 8:22pm
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Kudos to Ed for catching this one. My commercial 45 (same deadwax as his copy: QCA 3703 S-1C, a Columbia Terre Haute pressing) is also mono.
And so is my copy of the first Back To Back Hits GWB 0310 reissue 45 (deadwax QCA 3703S-1B, a Columbia Pitman pressing. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 16 June 2013 at 6:13pm
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There is a Stereo side on the promo 45. I own one, albeit
well worn. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 16 June 2013 at 6:51pm
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Guys, I just pulled out my commercial 45 and listened again - it is
absolutely in stereo. It is vinyl. My 45's deadwax is a handwritten "WB 7740 QCA-3707-S-1A", with the machine-stamped letters "TM TML" at the end. While I give both Ed's and John's "mono" reports full credibility, I can't say that it makes much sense to me. As best I can recall, by 1971, WB was issuing all of their commercial 45s in stereo. Usually, once a label set policy on how their 45s were to be commercially released, it was etched in stone. This song charted long after that transition had occurred, in November of 1973. My promo 45 isn't where it's supposed to be filed right now, but I seem to recall that it was mono/stereo, and both sides featured a shorter, (3:50) short radio edit. What confuses me here is that the commercial 45's length is (4:15). If WB never intended to provide radio with the full version of it, then why would they even bother to do a mono mix of it? My only theory would be that perhaps WB's original intent *was* to have the mono/stereo DJ 45 mimic the stock 45's length. Perhaps engineers then began promo 45 prep work. Clearly, at some point, if that was the plan, it was changed, and ultimately radio was sent the edit. Who knows, maybe someone at WB mistakenly dubbed/sent out the "didn't-end-up- being-used" mono (4:15) version to a pressing plant or two. How else could mono stock 45 copies have happened? My gut: Ed's and John's 45 copies got pressed up in mono, by accident, by one specific plant, using machine stamped deadwax, that thought they were producing exactly what all the other plants were. But they weren't. (FYI, my other 1973 stock copy, also in stereo, and also having handwritten deadwax (with 1-B, not 1-A, though.) Todd, in the end, I guess we go with both mono and stereo for this one. Thanks for the report, Ed/John - bizarre, interesting stuff! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 16 June 2013 at 8:36pm
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My stock and Back To Back Hits reissue were both mastered by Columbia, with machine-stamped deadwax numbers. My 3:50 DJ 45 (vinyl Columbia Santa Maria pressing) has hand-etched deadwax numbers and - like Jim's vinyl stock copy - was mastered by The Mastering Lab (TML). So we have two different firms doing the mastering for this 45: the record's presser and an independent west coast mastering house. Jim's "vinyl" notation points to the CSM plant for the stereo stocks, leaving at least CTH for the mono stock (can anyone with a WB 7740 stock Pitman pressing chime in?)
This wasn't the first Warner family 45 I bought that indicated it was stereo (designated by the "S" to the right of the label's printed parenthetical matrix number) but turned out to be mono; that would be 1972's "Marcella" by The Beach Boys (Brother/Reprise 1101.) The printed matrix is "(PCA3179)S", but the hand-etched matrix is "PCA-3179-1". Meanwhile the flip side ("Hold On Dear Brother") is in stereo. Interestingly, both sides of this Beach Boys 45 were mastered at Artisan, yet another independent mastering firm. Similarly, "Jessica," the B-side of my (mono) stock "We May Never Pass This Way Again" is in true stereo. There was another mono Warner stock 45 in 1973, although in that case, the labels on "Smoke On The Water" did not lead one to believe otherwise. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 17 June 2013 at 10:56pm
| Thanks everyone for the input. I've gone back and updated the list to show commercial 45 copies of "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" were issued in both mono and stereo. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 19 October 2013 at 5:05am
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paul....one more difference i may unearthed....my
commercial 45 for the dells song 'give your baby a standing oviation' issued as cadet 5696 clearly lists the track as 'stereo' on the label with a listed run time of 3:52 but an actual running time of 4:33 (thanks, john for providing the correct track!!)......the thread says that this song is in mono, but mine is stereo....can anyone else confirm my findings?...... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 19 October 2013 at 8:47am
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Ed, I worked closely with Todd on these, since he's not a 45 collector. I just
pulled my commercial 45. As you point out, the 45 label states stereo. Also, the Post-It note info stuck to my paper sleeve says that when I timed/analyzed this 45, it was indeed also stereo "in the grooves". (Deadwax info is "2779-2".) So it looks like either I said "mono" over the phone to Todd in error, or Todd mis-heard me/made a transcription error at his end back then. No matter. Nice catch. To me, all current evidence points to all 1973 stock 45s appearing in stereo, not mono. Hoping Todd can make the correction, whenever he gets a minute..... |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 19 October 2013 at 9:10am
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jim....thanks for the confirmation... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 09 January 2014 at 4:42pm
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my commercial 45 for the ohio players song 'funky worm'
issued as westbound 214 does NOT state 'stereo' on the label....it has not neither stereo or mono indicated but sounds mono to me....the 1973 list of 45's says that the label incorrectly lists stereo but is in mono, but my 45 is in contradiction to that.....it should be looked at closer... Ohio Players - "Funky Worm (mono - all 45 copies incorrectly state "stereo" on the label) ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 09 January 2014 at 8:12pm
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Ed, at best, this appears to be a minor "word tweak" to me. Most
importantly, all "Funky Worm" 45s are in mono. In '72 and '73, Westbound was the #1 label offender for stating "stereo" on db 45s that were, in fact, mono. (The Detroit Emeralds quickly come to mind.) I would suspect that either, 1) Someone at Westbound finally realized that this repeated "stating stereo" 45 error was happening for their mono singles, and modified later "Funky Worm" label batches, or, much more likely, 2) More than one pressing plant was used for this song (which would not be surprising, given that this was a rare, million selling single for them), and that this plant, realizing the 45 master they got was actually in mono, likely omitted the word "stereo" while prepping the labels they would affix to their 45s. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 11:19am
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my commercial 45 for the stylistics song 'break up to make
up' sounds like it's in mono, contrary to what the thread says.....the run out groove info from 45 is 'AVCO-1596M-4 (with a circle around it) then 'F/W'....then '3703' in reverse....can someone else check their vinyl 45 to see if their's is mono or stereo...thx ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: t horton
Date Posted: 26 February 2017 at 7:06am
| I've got a commercial stereo 45 of The Partridge Family's "Looking Through The Eyes Of Love'. Not a promo or reissue. The dead wax info reads, B-1547-S-2. I've got many Bell 45s and, so far as I know, this is the only one in stereo. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 3:35pm
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On the 1973 list it says
Dells, The - "Give Your Baby a Standing Ovation" (mono) However, The Dells song was released in the USA in stereo: https://www.discogs.com/The-Dells-Give-Your-Baby-A-Standing- Ovation/master/553114 - https://www.discogs.com/The-Dells-Give-Your-Baby-A-Standing- Ovation/master/553114 Might want to update the listing.... |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 24 August 2021 at 5:53pm
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Gunhill Road's "Back When My Hair Is Short" is a totally
rewritten/remade song, cleaned up,from two raunchier earlier LP versions (like both Stealers Wheel songs, "Stuck in the Middle with You" &,es[pecially, "Everyon'ds Agreed"..), though GR's song takes the cake, given the rewritten,cleaned up lyrics.., ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 28 March 2022 at 7:40pm
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Anyone can tell me whether the promo 45 is in mono or stereo for Bloodstone's Natural High? The 45 according to the list is in mono but its unclear if the 45 promo is...
https://www.discogs.com/release/10034374-Bloodstone-Natural-High - https://www.discogs.com/release/10034374-Bloodstone-Natural- High ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 28 March 2022 at 8:12pm
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It appears that First Choice Armed and Extremely Dangerous is also available in Stereo for 1973.
https://www.discogs.com/release/17462344-First-Choice-Armed-And-Extremely-Dangerous - https://www.discogs.com/release/17462344-First-Choice-Armed- And-Extremely-Dangerous https://www.discogs.com/release/982814-First-Choice-Armed-And-Extremely-Dangerous - https://www.discogs.com/release/982814-First-Choice-Armed-An d-Extremely-Dangerous ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 12:52am
I have it in stereo on two CDs and on a 1973 K-Tel comp. ------------- |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 2:36am
The long side is in mono: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9seXAnBZhkA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9seXAnBZhkA I would assume the Edited Version on the flip side is as well. Promo 45s, that early, if it didn't say "stereo" on the promo it was probably mono. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 2:53am
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Looks like a stereo promo exists for "Natural High," though, Rich:
https://www.reggaecollector.com/en/detail/index.php?number=82545 - https://www.reggaecollector.com/en/detail/index.php?number=8 2545 They only show the mono label side, but they list it as stereo on one side and mono on the other. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 6:35am
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Could anyone who owns the London commercial 45 of "Natural
High" double-check to hear if it isn't very narrow stereo instead of mono (or normal stereo)? I used to own it, and I recall that was the case with my pressing. Thanks! Andy |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 8:37am
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Another one that appears in stereo on this 45 promo is Alice Cooper's Hello Hurray, which the list has as mono. The edited version is mono but if anyone can find the edited version in stereo on a 45 much appreciated.
https://www.discogs.com/release/4523141-Alice-Cooper-Hello-Hurray - https://www.discogs.com/release/4523141-Alice-Cooper-Hello-H urray ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 8:42am
Nice find. Always try to justify stereo where I can in my Jukebox collection. Now I can! ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 29 March 2022 at 1:00pm
Well, that's because the list is exclusively comprised of commercial releases. It wasn't intended to include promos. |
Posted By: Jack45
Date Posted: 29 July 2023 at 5:45pm
| YouTube poster The45Prof has copy "Never Let You Go" that plays stereo instead of mono, and it's a stock copy, not a promo, that's pictured in the video. |