Michael W. Smith - Place In This World
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Topic: Michael W. Smith - Place In This World
Posted By: prisdeej
Subject: Michael W. Smith - Place In This World
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 9:52am
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Was this one sent to radio via promo CD single? I seem to remember it sounding hotter on the
radio as compared to the album version on Go West Young Man, but I could be mistaken. ------------- DJ L. |
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Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 3:47pm
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We received it on an MCA compilation promo in April of 1991. It also had Alanis' first pop hit "Too Hot", which was four years before she reworked her image and hit the US charts.
As for "Place...", it was a CHR edit, but I cannot remember if it was a hotter mix. I had downloaded the CD album mix and I heard the guitar solo on it, so I don't think that the song was down-mixed for AC radio. I always thought that when Michael sang "Plaaaaaaaaaaaace in this world", he sounded a bit like a buzz saw. Maybe it might be worth also noting that in September of 1991, the follow up single called "For You" was a provided as a hotter CHR and AC mix for radio. It was named something like the David Scott mix (I can't really the producer's name). ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Smokin' TomGary
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 4:08pm
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I have two promo CD's. The first is DIDX-009472. It has two cuts. Cut 1 is "Original CD Mix - AC/CHR" Listed time is 4:01; actual is 3:58. Cut 2 is "Remix - AC/INSP". Listed time is 4:01; actual is 4:11.
The second is PRO-CD-4234. It has three cuts. Cut 1 is "Edit/Remix". Listed time is 3:38; actual is 3:37. Cut 2 is "Full Remix" Listed time is 4:29; actual is 4:27. Cut 3 is "LP Version" Listed time is 4:01; actual is 3:58. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 4:21pm
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Besides the time differences, are the LP and Edit Remixes the "same" mix?
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 9:11pm
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"I don't think that the song was down-mixed for AC radio."
The song was down-mixed for AC radio. I don't have the CD at my disposal at the moment but the "AC remix" had the guitar solo muted, amongst other things. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 06 April 2012 at 7:53am
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I had remembered that the guitar solo removed for the AC mix of "I Will Be There For You", two years later. I didn't know if this song followed the same template. I'll be interested to hear from Smokin' Tom whether the album and edit mixes are of the same mix.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 06 April 2012 at 9:27am
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Likewise, Jody. I knew a second mix exists, my ears weren't fooling me. It blows my
mind that such a spiritual/uplifting song reached the top 10 on the pop charts. Doubt the same thing would happen nowadays. ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 06 April 2012 at 4:36pm
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Well I'll be. The Edit/Remix or Full Remix is the version I remember from CHR. It's
mixed with an electric guitar in the front and other instrumentation brought forward. It's slightly less on the vocal than the LP Version. These hotter mixes catapulted the record to top 10 status, no doubt. Well done Smokin' TG! ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 April 2016 at 6:19pm
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I just obtained another promo CD for "Place In This World," which has not been previously mentioned.
PRO-CD-4204 1. LP Version (listed 4:01; actual 3:59) 2. AC Remix (listed & actual 4:12) 3. Soft AC Remix (listed 4:12 & actual 4:14) Tracks 1 & 2 have a guitar solo at 2:15, but the guitar is mixed quite a bit lower on the AC Remix. For the Soft AC Remix, they have replaced the guitar solo with a Toto-like synthesizer solo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 12:01am
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Came across the music video, and I noticed that it's sped up a half step. The
song is in C until after the guitar solo when it modulates to C Sharp. Every other version I have heard has it in B to C. Is this the version that CHR was playing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpXMnY_t03M - Michael W. Smith- Place In This World |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 15 June 2016 at 12:43am
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Here's the "Full Remix" for anyone interested. The five main differences are:
1. The string synth in the choruses have been buried in the mix, if not outright muted. 2. A guitar is added during the first chorus. 3. The drums during the second verse are brought forward in the mix, with the reverb removed. A crosstick appears on the 2 of every beat, during the second half. 4. The drum fill before the outro is different. 5. The outro contains Chicago-esque horns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHEGzcWfJr8 - Michael W. SMith- Place In This World (Full Remix) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 12:58pm
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I finally got around to comparing all the difference versions, and there are FIVE distinctly different mixes of "Place In This World."
- The LP Version is on all three promo CDs (titled "Original CD Mix" on the independent release). - The "Remix" from the independent promo CD has additional synthesizer overdubs during the guitar solo, and the solo itself has been lowered in the mix. The fade is also a bit longer. - The "Full Remix" is a completely new mix. In addition to the five points made above, it also has a different reverb/effect on the vocals, different drum sound and percussion, and it is missing the synthesizer harmony during the second and third chorus. The fade is even longer on this mix. (The "Edit/Remix" is simply an edit of the "Full Remix," cutting the first chorus in half and fading early.) - The "AC Remix" is most similar to the LP Version but drastically lowers the volume of the electric guitar solo. - The "Soft AC Remix" replaces most of the guitar solo with a synthesizer solo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 8:30am
| So which version appeared on the cassette single? |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 12 April 2018 at 9:17pm
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Wow, gang, good ears! I listened to the clips above, so I'm bracing for
YouTube to recommend CCM videos for the next few months... While I can't speak to the cassingle, the vinyl single claims to be the "LP Version" (listed/actual 4:01). Based on the descriptions here, it sounds like this is correct. Pat: I also have this on two compilation CDs that aren't in the database. Details are buried in the garage, but my database shows these: - Songs 4 Life: Feel The Power (Time-Life) - Now & Forever (no details here, but I vaguely remember this being a BMG Special Products comp) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 17 April 2018 at 1:14pm
| I have the promo single with the soft AC remix (which is my preferred version), AC remix and album version. Aaron, can you give the label # info for the promo CD versions with the "Remix" and "Full Remix" (completely new mix)? Those sound very interesting - and I'd like to hear them. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 April 2018 at 7:04pm
Here are the details from an earlier post by the late Smokin' TomGary:
------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Smokin' TomGary wrote:Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 01 October 2018 at 8:49pm
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Aaron,
Which is the hit version, the 3:42 edit/remix or the 3:59 LP Version? Or is neither the hit version? This is one I honestly cannot tell. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 October 2018 at 10:16pm
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This is one of the many times when our late friend Jim would pipe in with vivid details on the version his station played and/or the version the record rep said that most stations were going with. I was only in 7th grade when this song came out, and I didn't start working in top 40 radio until two years later when I was in 9th grade. My local top 40 station (the one I ended up working for) played a majority of their music from TM Century HitDiscs. Without knowing for sure, a safe bet would be that they played the LP Version, which I believe is the only version TM issued on any of their discs. The US 7" and cassette singles also have the LP version. I'd say that was likely the hit version, although I'm betting some stations played the Edit/Remix. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 October 2018 at 1:52am
My local CHR station played the 3:42 (actually runs 3:37) edit/remix. IMO, it sounded "hotter" than the LP version and I consider it the "hit" version. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 02 October 2018 at 7:26am
I would probably agree with you Paul. I think it becomes a challenge sometimes in the 90's to identify the true hit version for some songs. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 October 2018 at 9:43am
For sure. It depends on which stations you were listening to at the time. Don't even get me started on the rap vs. no rap versions of various pop hits! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 October 2018 at 10:48am
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It's possibly a toss up on which version CHR stations played, but as far as I know, none of the remixes were ever released commercially. For Pat's database purposes, the LP version is the official single version, while the remixes are DJ versions. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 02 October 2018 at 2:06pm
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My local CHR played the Edit/Remix ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 03 October 2018 at 1:54am
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I made reference to the Chicago-like horns earlier this year. I looked and found
the person who mixed the song was none other than Humberto Gatica, who mixed, among other bands, Chicago. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 October 2018 at 6:21am
And as the decade rolled on and digital editing software became affordable for even small-market stations, more and more "house" edits/remixes were aired. As a music director for much of that decade I produced my share of 'em for our stations. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 October 2018 at 11:02am
| I always heard the LP version on the radio. But some years later I found a promo CD single which included an AC remix, which left out the electric guitar solo in the instrumental section. I actually liked the instrumental section with the elec guitar, but felt the LP version was hotter overall (which I liked) so I made my own edit that used the LP version but went to the AC (no elec guitar instrumental) for just the instrumental section. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 8:04pm
It's tough. I'm glad you found a compromise, the AC mix is actually quite enjoyable. I'm still going to say the edit/remix is the version that got the most airplay. Sadly this song does not get played enough that I could catch what version they played. Typical of this type of song. A fairly religious song going top 10 like this in 2020? Not likely. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 September 2020 at 12:50am
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I read my post you quoted, and there was a typo. It doesn't make sense the way I wrote it. I meant to say "I actually liked the instrumental section withOUT the elec guitar".
That would better explain why I made an edit of that section and included it in the LP mix :) |