wilbert harrison kansas city
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Topic: wilbert harrison kansas city
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: wilbert harrison kansas city
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 9:14am
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my commercial 45 for the wilbert harrison song "kansas
city" issued as fury 1023 states the run time on the label as 2:21 but actually runs 2:24......the db has a wide range of run times (2:20-2:28).....the listed and actual vinyl 45 time s/b noted in the db ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 9:25am
| Thanks for all your recent 45 timing info updates, Ed. It's great to see you further expanding into the '50s and '60s hits as well! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 10:03am
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todd.....after i acquire every top 40 on vinyl from 1955
on, then i'll be done!!!....then i'll have to delve into the uncharted territory of 2003-2012!!!....which i have nothing... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 3:48am
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QUESTION: is there ANY copy of this song that DOESN'T sound like it was recorded underwater?
When I was working on oldies radio, we tried and tried to find a decent copy and what we ended up with was a lesser of evils. What happened to the master of this song? Do the original 45s sound as gurgly? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 8:30am
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Interesting observation, Gene! Although there's no notation in the database, the Billboard Top Rock & Roll Hits of 1959 also sounds like vinyl. I'm betting that no CDs actually contain a tape source, given your unsuccessful attempts at locating one. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 11:14am
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Best sounding version of "Kansas City" is on 'Raging Harlem Hit Parade' compiled by Little Walter DeVenne.
It still sounds like a dub from an acetate from a garage recording (maybe it actually is). Andy |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 2:56pm
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A friend of mine has the original "Kansas City" LP (which nowadays sells for $150-200 on eBay). The next time I see him, I'll see how the quality is on that LP. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 4:13pm
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I have a virtually mint original Fury 45 and it's noisy
there, too, though the EQ is different in a good way. For once there's some bottom end and the guitar break isn't as harsh. But the pops and clicks remain, so the recording was either a demo disc only or the master tape got damaged before any backups were made. The 45 runs 2:25 and, while the Relic Raging Harlem Hit Parade CD does sound good, it's just a well de- clicked disc dub that, to me, isn't EQ'd as well as the original 45. GM (Note: Edit to correct run time of my 45) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 4:49pm
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my fury 45 only runs 2:24....are there two different
versions? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 8:01am
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Andrew, you're right about 'Raging Harlem Hit Parade' being a pretty clean copy... much less of a mess than other copies I've heard... wish we had this when I was on the air!
Regarding length of the 45: could it be an early fade? The "Raging Harlem..." version sounds like it's gone at 2:26, even though the track runs to 2:31. (With plenty of gain applied, I can hear the surface noise right at the end.) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 7:36am
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To my ear, the original Fury 45 sounds better than the CD issues from declicked disc dubs. It has better low end and sounds less muddied. Judging from some other Fire and Fury 45 singles, if there is a Vee-Jay Oldies 45 reissue, that would use original West Coast stampers and have the original sound and quieter surfaces. As does my Oldies 45 reissue of "Fannie Mae" by Buster Brown. P.S. The Oldies 45 discography lists this tune. I will see if I can find a copy and compare deadwax with my beat Fury 45. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 5:58am
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I do have a promotional copy of the Oldies 45 issue of the song in my storage locker (which I bought because I had never seen a promotional 45 on Oldies 45) and I will see if I can locate it in my storage locker the next time I am there this weekend. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 9:39pm
| Does anyone own the Ripete CD "Coolin' Out/24 Carolina Classics Vol. 2"? How does Kansas City sound on that? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 06 May 2012 at 7:52pm
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My Monarch pressed Oldies 45 reissue and my Fury 45 are from the same stampers. And the Oldies 45 copy is the better sounding, it has quieter surfaces. Less noisy. Best CD I have heard has been the Capricorn "The Fire and Fury Records Story" mastered by Lee Herschberg. Suspect that the Little Walter DeVenne transfers were used. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 May 2012 at 8:28pm
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A handful of us exchanged some private messages about the Ripete CD, and Brian discovered some interesting information. The tracks on this disc were licensed from Red Dog Express, which was owned by Marshall Sehorn. It turns out that Sehorn used to be the promotion man for the Fury record label. I can confirm that "Kansas City" is from a tape source on the Ripete CD and sounds far better than any other CDs I've heard it on. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:49pm
Sehorn was even more than the promotion man for Fury. He actually discovered Wilbert Harrison and apparently produced the recording session for "Kansas City":
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Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 9:35am
It has to be a tape OF a disc dub, for had a tape existed when the single came out in 1959, the Fury 45 would have used it. But the same pops and clicks on the original single appear on every subsequent release, though some have been cleaned up better than othrs. GM |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 10:19am
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It must have existed on tape somewhere when it was originally recorded, right? By 1959, I doubt most artists were recording directly to a lathe. I don't hear any pops and clicks or turntable rumble on this recording, and I also don't hear anything that sounds like groove distortion. If the Ripete CD is a disc dub, they've certainly fooled me, and I'm usually very good at spotting those things. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |