I Gotcha by Joe Tex
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Topic: I Gotcha by Joe Tex
Posted By: JMD1961
Subject: I Gotcha by Joe Tex
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 10:52am
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Hi, all. I'm looking for some advice.
I have "I Gotcha" by Joe Tex on 3 separate CD's, but all have really REALLY murky sound. So much so, in fact, that on my compilation discs, it's really distracting. (This is also true on the CD's I have it on.) My question: Does anybody know of a CD with this track that's "clear"? Any advice would be appreciated. The discs I have it on are: Soul Hits Of The 70's Volume 8 Sounds Of The Seventies - Seventies Top Forty Soul Train - 1972 |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 11:51pm
| It sounds fine on my Can You Dig It box set. I remember hearing it also on the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack, and I don't recall thinking it sounded bad. I haven't heard the latter disc in years, though. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 22 February 2006 at 8:12pm
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Guess what? The original Dial LP also sounds murky. I would say that the dull sound it the true sound.
Many CD producers like to boost the treble on songs. |
Posted By: JMD1961
Date Posted: 23 February 2006 at 3:42pm
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Actually, Grant, that was my suspicion. Like with songs listed in the database with "poor stereo separation" on every CD they're on (Go All The Way, by the Raspberries, for example), I figure the original mix was bad to begin with.
Thanks to both you and aaronk for the replies. I don't think I'm gonna buy a whole box set just to try and get a good sounding version. I might check into the soundtrack, though. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 23 February 2006 at 10:09pm
| That whole album must have been mixed with bright monitors set at high volume levels. |
Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: 26 February 2006 at 12:54am
More than likely. But the other thing to keep in mind was that the released version of "I Gotcha" only had a scratch vocal performed by Joe on it. His producer Buddy Killen liked so much as it was that he went ahead and issued it just like that. Tex was supposedly really pissed about it, until it became a huge hit. |
Grant wrote:Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 26 February 2006 at 9:35pm
Best James Brown imitation I ever heard, too! |
Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: 27 February 2006 at 8:40pm
Oh yeahhhh!! That song kicks ass!!! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 2:32pm
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bringing this one to the front for a quick question, is the shorter 45 version an edit or a fades earlier than the LP length? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 3:15am
The song is all of 2:18. I don't think there's a shorter version of it anywhere. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 5:46am
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Jeff,
not a shorter version, rather a longer. Pat indicates the LP as running 2:39, but I have yet to find a version that long. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 12:04pm
That's incorrect. I have copy of the original LP and the timing is the same as on the 45. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 1:20pm
| Perhaps the 2:39 LP time reported in the database is reflective of an incorrect time printed on the LP record label? |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 5:54pm
The 45 and LP are the same. I have them both. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 9:16am
| The (2:39) version and the (2:37) version reported in the database have an alternate introduction and that is why they run longer than the (2:26) version that is found on the 45 and LP. |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 7:59pm
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Just found my original Dial mono 45 and, while the tune doesn't have a very good high end, it's far from being dull or murky. Many moons ago I remember hearing it that way and being surprised how bad it was compared to the single. The discs I played on the radio in 1972 were fine.
GM |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 08 September 2006 at 4:37pm
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Hi All,
The EQ issue that was originally mentioned, I agree with those that feel it isn't that bad. Yes, it wasn't Eq'd very hot to begin with but that is easily corrected with a good EQ plug-in. I did so with the version from Rhino "Soul Hits Of The 70's" and got it very bright, very punchy. Now, the longer version; I recalled having this version as it was mentioned years ago in the BSN newsletter. I do not any CD it is on, but I do have my 2 LP set Best Of on Charly from the UK and it is on there. It runs 2:39. As Pat pointed out, the difference is in the intro. The longer intro is the same recording, but for the Dial 45 and LP it was overdubbed so each "Uh-HUH, HUH!" has his vocal double-tracked. (it is difficult to hear, his overdubbed part is louder, you must turn it up a bit to hear the original track under it) It was then edited, had one measure edited out. The rest of the 5 or seconds difference i assume is at the end fade, as i didn't notice any other edits. It is also a slightly different mix; the 45 and LP have that shaker percussion in the dead center. The longer version has it mixed over the left. Near as I can tell, all else in the mix is pretty much the same. I could not hear any other extra overdubs other than those Uh-HUH's in the intro. And, as an aside - because I saw this thread i had to pull the song out. Was fun blasting it, even several times to compare the versions - what a great funk classic, uh-huh! |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 6:25pm
I thought it was too bright on that CD. But, then, i'm used to listening to the 45 and the LP. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 06 May 2007 at 6:56pm
| Pat, I see in the database that you state both the LP and 45 run (2:26). I just timed my commercial 45, which is mono, and has deadwax info of "49156-3". This 45 has a listed time of (2:18), but an actual time of (2:23). |
Posted By: satchdr
Date Posted: 06 May 2007 at 11:48pm
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I have it on the Rhino R2 70660 "Top R&B Hits 1972" (45 version) and on BMG 44808-2 "I Gotcha - Greatest Hits" (the longer version that Pat lists as neither 45 nor LP version) and both sound fine to me - not murky at all, good stereo separation and all instruments are crisp. It does have a strong bass line that is "mono" in the mix so that might affect the sound. The longer version does have a different (and longer) intro as well as some differences in the vocals before the end fade.
Don't buy a box set to get a good version. Either the Rhino or the BMG are available very cheaply and you can get the BMG CD through the Collectables Records web site because it's part of the Collectables "Priceless Collection" of greatest hits. Great song! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 06 November 2011 at 10:38am
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my commercial 45 issued as dial 1010 states the run time as
2:18 but actually only runs 2:15.......the run out groove etching is "49156-11-1-1 (1%)" the intro "aahh, i gotcha" is clipped on the 45.....it starts with just "i gotcha" and not the fractional second of "aahh" lead in.....also if you fade the cd version of "the very best" for 0:13 from 2:02 to 2:15 you'll effectively re-create the proper vinyl 45 version..... can anyone who has the commercial 45 confirm what their run time is? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:15pm
| My commercial 45 of Dial 1010 with matrix number 49156-2 runs (2:24) with a stated time of (2:18). |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 4:46pm
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On Pure Funk Vol. 2 (1999), the very beginning of "I Gotcha" has a sound effect overlaid over the vocals. I think it tracks from the previous selection. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:42pm
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LP and long 45 version (2:23-ish to 2:27-ish)
The 45 is mono. The scratchy needledrop I have sounds like a fold-down of the stereo LP version, to my ears. The recording is delightfully rough; it's not supposed to be a Steely Dan record. The oldest version I have on CD is on Rhino's Best Of (1988), where it runs 2:27 and sounds as good as it'll get. The same analog transfer is used on literally every other CD I own with the song, including:
Short 45 version It's almost an early fade of the LP version, but it also clips the opening yelp to start with the word "I". To recreate the short 45 version from the LP version on Rhino's Best Of (1988), add a fade from 2:04 to 2:16, then delete the first 0.7 seconds. My recommendation This one's easy. Go for Rhino's Best Of (1988), or any of the Rhino digitally identical clones. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:43pm
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I DO have an mp3 with a longer ending..(2:41) - actual recording fade roughly at 2:35..no "Ahhhh" before "I Gotcha!" at the beginning..take care ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:19pm
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Listening now and I just remembered what happened, the record apparently jumped and thus lengthened the recording... :rolleyes: again, take care. (there is a very slighter longer fade, TOO) ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 22 March 2018 at 6:33pm
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The Dial 45 does not sound murky, it sounds great! ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 26 March 2018 at 6:23am
Yes, this is a scratch vocal aka First Take Luck. Buddy Killen liked it, issued it as it was. I can't imagine this one getting a better performance. Which means for me, the Funky takes precedent over the Sonics and the Technique. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 September 2019 at 9:37am
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Revisiting this one, because there are two distinctly different 45 versions, and one is not an early fade of the other. Above, Ron says his 45 dub matches what's on CD, but that's not the case with my stock 45. As Mark mentioned earlier in the thread, the difference is in the intro.
My stock copy (Dial D-1010) has a printed time of 2:18 and actual time of 2:23 (deadwax: 49156-3). - The first "I gotcha" is truncated compared to what's on CD, as Ed states in an earlier post. - The instruments come in at 0:21 on this version, as it has five "uh-huhs." - Mix sounds like a fold-down of the stereo version. - On the first "uh-huh" there is a quick "ping" noise on the stereo CD just before the kick drum, but this is actually the beginning of one of the "uh-huhs" have been edited out. This "ping" sound is absent from the 45, because they put the edit point in a better spot. My promo copy has a printed time of 2:18 and actual time of 2:17. (deadwax: 46156-6) - The first "I gotcha" is also truncated. - The instruments come in at 0:13 on this version, and it has three "uh-huhs." Again, the edit point is fractions of a second different from the stereo version. If I line them up in the multi-tracker, they stay perfectly in sync until the edit points, and then they become just a tad out of sync. - Mix also sounds like a fold-down, so I don't think a dedicated mix was done. Does anyone have the "neither" version on CD, and if so, does it have five "uh-huhs" on the intro vs. three on the shorter version? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 September 2019 at 9:48am
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As a side note, I found what appears to be a dub of the original vinyl LP on YouTube, and the stereo edit contained on it matches what's on CD. So, they truly must've edited the intro twice back in 1972: once for the mono 45 and once for the stereo LP.
Pat, does your 2:23 length copy also have an edited intro, or is it the same as mine with five "uh-huhs"? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 21 September 2019 at 7:34am
| Aaron to address some of your questions, my copy of the commercial 45 of "I Gotcha" has 5 of the "uh huh's" on the intro. The "neither" versions also include 5 "uh huh's" on the intro. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 September 2019 at 11:17am
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Pat, do you think the database needs to be updated to make it clearer?
The CDs currently listed as "neither" should stay that way. This is truly a different mix that doesn't have the overdubs on the intro. "Neither" is a suitable description. As for the remaining CDs, do you think they should be labeled "LP version"? This is a tough call, similar to a case like "Black Velvet" where the opening of the 45 is slightly truncated, and of course there's a length/fade difference with the LP running longer. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |