Manfred Mann - Do Wah Diddy Diddy
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Topic: Manfred Mann - Do Wah Diddy Diddy
Posted By: MMathews
Subject: Manfred Mann - Do Wah Diddy Diddy
Date Posted: 03 March 2013 at 5:00pm
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Hi all,
I noticed the database doesn't differentiate between the stereo and mono versions, but i noticed a difference that may indicate some cd's should have the comment "45 version". It is a minor detail that makes the differences, but nonetheless it is there. It only involves ONE drum beat. I'd long forgotten this difference. I hadn't heard the mono version since the mid-80's. (thanks, Ron!) OK - The MONO 45 version has a loud organ note and drum beat that cut in at exactly 1:42. It is an edit. The edit cuts off the word "of" from the bridge part where he sings "i told her all the things i'd been dreamin' ooo[cut]..now we're together.." It dates back to the unedited original version. As some may know, in the original, there is a trippy psychedelic organ break that starts at 1:28 and runs to 1:42. At some point early on, someone wisely decided that break sounded nothing like the rest of the song, and replaced the break with a 2nd copy of the bridge that starts at :50. They simply spliced that bridge in at 1:28 and it splices BACK to the ending at 1:42 to include the final drum beat of the organ break (and it's reverb trail is also when he sings "now we're together"). NOW - when they mixed it for stereo, they very efficiently mixed it in its "hit" version, and put a 2nd copy of the first bridge right at 1:28 to replicate the 45. Only difference is, they mixed it special from the multi's to transition to the line "now we're together" - so there is no "organ+drum beat" resulting from the edit, they instead edit on the word "now". So we never hear the last beat of the organ break, and there also is no reverb tail from that final beat. Long story for such a short difference! Now, i'm not sure how one might label the stereo mix, that is I am not sure if it was the actual "LP Version" or if it was first mixed to stereo for a "best-of" type album. My earliest stereo vinyl dated to late 60's UK Best-of album on EMI-Odeon. But the "45 version" is definitely that, since only that edit was on the 45. I presume all database entries that are in mono are the 45 version, with the exception of the ones marked "unedited version which is not the hit version". MM |
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 04 March 2013 at 1:48pm
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Which version was on the mono album?
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 04 March 2013 at 6:35pm
Nice catch, Mark! On my stereo copy of the Manfreds' first U.S. best-of (Manfred Mann's Greatest Hits, United Artists 6551), DWDD matches what you refer to as the "45 version." This track is (E), with some inconsistent panning to the right on the group vocals (not Paul Jones' lead) but only through the first chorus. The panning gimmick was abandoned at that point. "45 version" might be an apt description for the track on this album, because it definitely sounds like it was sourced from a vinyl 45. |
MMathews wrote:Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:37am
| The "Manfred Mann Album" on Ascot 16015 states stereo on the album cover but it is (E). This was the first LP to include Do Wah Diddy Diddy so all stereo appearances on cd should be listed as either "stereo recreations" or "stereo remix" or even "stereo edit" don't you think? I lean toward "stereo edit" myself. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 05 March 2013 at 7:36pm
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great catch, Markie. As soon as I listened to a true mono version (I had
never had one in my collection), the different edit leaped out at me. Another difference I hear is the very first note - the stereo edit starts "hard" while the mono version starts "soft". Do you know what I am trying to describe? Pat, I agree "stereo edit" seems appropriate. ------------- dc1 |