New Barry Scott Lost 45’s CD!
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Topic: New Barry Scott Lost 45’s CD!
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: New Barry Scott Lost 45’s CD!
Date Posted: 01 April 2013 at 9:37pm
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Saw this on another forum tonight, announced by Barry
Scott himself... "The Lost 45s" Of The 70s and 80s, Volume Three Barry Scott Presents: “The Lost 45s” of the 70s and 80s Volume Three: Featuring Top 40 Hits not available on CD in America! Audio CD (August 6, 2013) Tentative Date Label: Universal Music Special Products Note: Cover Art Coming Soon Volume Three Track Listing: Old Fashioned Boy (You’re The One)-Stallion #37/1977 Casablanca 877 Double Dutch Bus-Frankie Smith #30/1981 (single edit) WMOT 5356 I’m Not Gonna Let It Bother Me Tonight-Atlanta Rhythm Section #14/1978 (single edit) Polydor 14484 Turning Japanese-The Vapors #36/1980 (single edit) United Artists 1364 The Boys Are Back In Town-Thin Lizzy #12/1976 (single edit) Mercury 73786 Lights Out-Peter Wolf #12/1984 (single edit) EMI America 8208 Prisoner Of Your Love-Player #27/1978 (single edit) RSO 908 You’re My Girl-Franke & The Knockouts #27/1981 (single edit) Millennium 11808 Anything You Want-John Valenti #37/1976 Ariola America 7625 The Night Owls-Little River Band #6/1981 (single edit) Capitol 5033 Don’t Want To Live Without It-Pablo Cruise #21/1978 (single edit) A&M 2076 We Don’t Talk Anymore-Cliff Richard #7/1980 (single edit) EMI America 8025 Get It Right Next Time-Gerry Rafferty #21/1979 (single edit) United Artists 1316 Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic-Police #3/1981 A&M 2371 Don’t Hold Back-Chanson #21/1979 (single edit) Ariola America 7717 Hit Me With Your Best Shot- Pat Benatar #9/1980 Chrysalis 2464 I Can’t Stand The Rain-Eruption #18/1978 Ariola/Hansa 7686 Bruce-Rick Springfield #27/1984 Mercury 880405 Margaritaville-Jimmy Buffett #8/1977 (single edit) ABC 12254 The First Day Of Summer-Tony Carey #33/1984 (single edit) MCA 52388 After thirteen years since the second volume of this series was released, it’s finally here. Volume three of “The Lost 45s” of the 70s and 80s will be released this summer and it was worth the wait. This time we have a jam packed disc with twenty much sought after single versions. Collectors will find many rare single edits (like Jimmy Buffett’s “Margaritaville” and Cliff Richard’s “We Don’t Talk Anymore”) plus several unique 45 versions that differ from the LP version (like Pat Benatar’s “Hit Me With Your Best Shot,” “Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic” by Police and Eruption’s remake of “I Can’t Stand The Rain”). Some tracks make their US CD debut (like “Anything You Want” by John Valenti and “Don’t Hold Back” by Chanson). Hear every song like you first heard it on the radio or on your turntable. You won’t get the same tired songs you get on other compilations. Instead, we’ve hand picked hard to find gems seldom heard, but not forgotten, by Stallion, Player, Peter Wolf, Rick Springfield and Gerry Rafferty just to name a few. Every track is the original hit version and has been superbly mastered from the original master tapes. With an eight page booklet, including pictures plus extensive liner notes on each song and artist, this is one disc you will want to add to your collection and play over and over again. |
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 12:32am
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WOW!
I perked right up when i saw this!!!! I just made an empty spot right after vol. 2 on my shelf, and a candle will burn in vigil until the new cd is home. :-) Finally! that Stallion song... Alas...still no Greg Guidry...sigh. but an awesome line-up nonetheless. thanks for heads up, made my week!!! MM |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 4:43am
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OMG! Stallion AND John Valenti? I think I just died and went to heaven. I never thought either of those songs would see the light of day on CD. Thanks for the great news!
Frank |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 5:12am
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Did you also see the last line on the original post:
April Fools! Too bad, it sounded like a terrific CD! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 9:37am
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Well, the last line doesn't really indicate the post is an April Fools joke.
But I did see the April 1 date before reading the whole post, so I figured as much. Erie sure went to a lot of trouble compiling all that info for an April Fools joke. It certainly did seem too good to be true. Now, someone should contact Barry Scott and tell him to actually release this CD!! Sure, Varese Sarabande won't do it but maybe he can get another label to do it. And Mark, Greg Guidry's "Goin' Down" IS available on CD - an out of print Japanese various-artist comp called "Very Best of AOR", which I happen to have, my friend :) |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 10:18am
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Wow. What an elaborate hoax. My mouth was watering when I read the
track listing. Guess Barry or someone else punked us. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 10:25am
I meant the last line of the original post (as it appeared on the BSN message board), it actually said: April Fools! Now, if that doesn't indicate it's a joke, then I don't know what does! |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 10:36am
It wasn't Barry. I wrote Barry about this Aprils Fools post and suggested he actually pursue releasing such a CD. I gave him a link to this page, and here's his response: <Wow. That was a cool list! I don’t have much time to contact any labels, but if you let them know—I can certainly work on this with them. Great track listing…it contained a few of the songs on my ‘most wanted’ list!> |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 10:49am
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Quick call Bill Buster. Maybe between Bill and Barry they can convince
someone at Universal to open their vault(s) and make this a true release. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 11:29am
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Good luck convincing Bill Buster of that. From the above list, I can tell you I've already tried to convince him to release Stallion and the Police single mix of "Every Little Thing..." on CD (along with some other suggestions) and he shot every song down - including Al Wilson's #3 R&B/#27 pop hit "I've Got a Feeling" and Irene Cara's Top 20 hit "Out Here On My Own" - the version with full orchestra. He told me there was virtually no interest. He even went to YouTube to check on "Out Here On My Own" views. The number was over 1.3 million views. He said that just doesn't indicate there's enough interest in the song, to him. This really surprised me because he recently reissued Five Flights Up "Do What You Wanna Do" (which had 20,000 YouTube views) and Avante-Garde's "Naturally Stoned" (which had 20,000 YouTube views). So I thought the 1.3 million YouTube views for Irene Cara was a lot more than 20,000 and would only prove my point. But it didn't. He just reiterated "no interest".
As for the Police, he thought it would probably need to get Sting's approval - and that may well be - but why not request the license from Universal and have them ask for Sting's approval? The only real difference in the single mix is that Sting's voice is much more audible, whereas it's buried in the album mix, and I can't imagine Sting wouldn't want a version released where you can actually hear his vocals. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 11:41am
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I'm going to ask around and see if this might be something for Gordon Anderson's new label (formerly, he owned the "Collector's Choice Music" label.) I'd also suggest Wounded Bird, but Terry only reissues direct albums (often with bonus cuts), so this idea seems outside the realm of what Wounded Bird does. And FunkytownGrooves only issues R&B, not pop. Can anyone think of any other labels to release these top 40 hits? Sadly, Rhino is out of the question, and it doesn't sound like something Varese Sarabande can do or would want to.
Too bad we can't join together and start our own CD label, perhaps call it "The Pat Downey Chat Board Bandits' Top 40 Completists" label. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 12:34pm
When I read the track list, this is the one song that I was surprised to see included. The Police very seldom show up on compilation CDs, so they must be difficult or expensive tracks to license. I'm with you, though, Gordon, that there is not likely a reason Sting would be opposed to reissuing a unique single mix. Outside of this message board, I wonder how many people (Sting included) even know or remember that the single was mixed differently. The Police box set would have been an obvious place to include it, especially since they included two mixes of "The Bed's Too Big Without You." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 12:39pm
It's funny you mention that, because it's not too far-fetched of an idea. Jimct and I were just talking about this the other day. If the record labels knew they didn't have to go digging in the vaults for rare single edits/mixes--if they knew we could supply our own sources--how difficult or expensive would it be to license songs for a compilation like this? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 12:59pm
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I'm certainly no expert on music licensing, but I do remember when we did the year-by-year Billboard compilations with Rhino, that we had to give them a pretty big list to make sure they could get 10 songs for each CD. We were told that some artists/labels were too cost prohibitive to even approach.
We also pitched a "hard-to-find on CD" series with them, but were told that such a series wouldn't sell enough to turn a profit. Such is business. |
Posted By: Smokin' TomGary
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 1:13pm
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As Paul points out, it's all a matter of business. I am playing devil's advocate, so I will point out a few things:
1. Back in the "Have A Nice Day" series production Bill Inglot told me Rhino paid $1000 per cut for licensing. In the US there are mechanical royalties, meaning you pay more for each cut on a CD. 2. To whom would you target such compilations? Mostly collectors who are few in number. How would you advertise these offerings to the public? Advertising costs money. Retail CD stores are closing or have already closed. 3. CD's are not the most popular media today. Downloads have replaced them. Overall to us it's a great idea, however, bulk sales count and there (sadly) isn't the mass market for such a product. I haven't even mentioned the production and distribution costs.... |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 3:06pm
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Of course i've sadly taken away the reserved shelf space
and blew out the candle. :-( I forgot what the date was! And yeah, the Police track should have given it away. I too suspect this mix would have been on their box set if anyone in their camp had recalled a different mix was used for the single. But for the rest, an inspired list of songs that seemed right on target for a new Barry Scott CD! MM |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 3:14pm
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Very good observations, Tom. Even if licensing is the same today as it was in 1990 (and assuming it's still $1,000 per cut), a 20-track CD would cost a minimum of $20,000 to license all the music (not counting mechanicals). If the disc was sold at $15/each, the break even point would be to sell 1,333 copies. (This, of course, is not taking into account any of the other costs involved.) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 9:00pm
| Wow. I've always been gullible. I guess I'll have to go cry myself to sleep, dreaming of a CD-quality release of "Old Fashioned Boy". ;-) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 April 2013 at 11:56pm
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Boy do I want Stallion's "Old Fashioned Boy" on CD, too. It's a great song. It's a top 40 hit. It's licensable. The master tapes still exist (Casablanca). My friend Michael J. mentioned wanting this song (and he's not even on this board.) And also, Paul Edwards mentioned wanting it on CD recently. (He actually got my hopes up and thought it was on an import CD, but it turns out it wasn't.) Over the years, I've gotten at least 15 requests for the Stallion song on CD. And I'm not even a reissue label! (I just help them :) But I know it's one of the most wanted top 40 hits that people want on CD that isn't out anywhere. Hopefully, some reissue label will get the message and include this song on a CD! I think an all-Universal Records various-artist comp would be quite possible - it's just a matter of finding a 3rd party label that's willing to release it (or convincing Universal to do it themselves, but that's unlikely.) And I think the track listing above is pretty close to what it should be, ironically. We'll probably never know who posted it on the BSN board. They used the name "Barry Scott" and had a total of 1 post! I guess that was part of the April Fools joke - to use his name - and people believed it was him. When I emailed Barry this morning, I was kind of hoping he would tell me it's all true. But his response made it very clear to me it wasn't Barry who wrote the post, nor is any of it true.
Is there anyone else here who would buy a CD that had Stallion's "Old Fashioned Boy (You're the One)" on it? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 5:13am
I think most of us here would buy it in a heartbeat! I wish I still had the complete list that we prepared back in 1995 for a proposed "hard-to-find on CD" series with Rhino. I recall that we came up with about 200 titles and "Old Fashioned Boy" was one of them. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 9:16am
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I have a pretty clean copy from vinyl. PM me if you'd like a copy to compare with your vinyl copy :) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 2:04pm
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Barry Scott sent me another message today and I thought I'd share it with you guys:
<I just wish it was something I could do at this point. So many listeners ask about a 3rd CD, that after so many years, it does get to be a boring question to answer! Whoever it was, certainly knew their stuff! Stallion is #1 on my list as well!> That's another person who wants the release of the Stallion single - and someone who probably gets a lot of requests and knows what people are looking for! This makes me want to find a way to get the song out even more. It seems like there's even more interest in this song than the music fans that have approached me about its release in the past. I don't think there will ever be a Stallion album release on CD, so let's hope some label includes the single on some compilation of '70s top 40 hits. Also, I'm going to forward this post on to my contact at Universal Records and suggest they at least release "You're the One" as an iTunes digital single. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 2:24pm
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Confession: I've never heard the Stallion song in my
entire life. I grew up in NYC, and started listening to WABC and WNBC around 1978. The song had evaporated by then, never to be revived by commercial radio. I've hosted a specialty pop radio show for over 21 years (and counting), and I've never encountered this song until this thread. No one has ever asked me for it or even mentioned it in passing. I'm excited to actually find something new (to my ears) from the '70s! My point: Since I go out of my way to dig through the pop oddities from years past, and I hadn't even heard of this song, I'd say that there's pretty much zero demand for the song outside of this forum. I can't imagine anyone would greenlight a CD release at this point. Now to hunt down the 45... ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 2:37pm
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You know, I'd probably pay full price for any ONE of these songs on a
cd or maybe even on a box set. To have a legitimate cd like this would be a dream come true! Too good to be true, apparently. Too bad there doesn't seem to be anyone willing to put some of these single edits (or in some cases, songs) out on the market. Guess when it comes to finding a 45 version, the best way to get it is on the original vinyl, poorly sounding as some may be. Argh!!! Jon O. |
Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 4:41pm
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If the label owns the rights to a song, why don't they just make it
available as a download so that they can make money on the track instead of just sitting there not being issued? |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 5:43pm
| MPH, that is my question exactly! These lower charting singles wouldn't sell a ton, but we know they won't sell anything if they are not available at all. It can't be that difficult to get a digital release up on iTunes. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 8:27pm
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A digital release for all collectors items seems the most
realistic option these days. As for Stallion, well i can add that i am from Long Island, and we did listen to WABC also. I actually remembered the song from its run in 1977. No, not a monster hit but memorable enough, because i heard it again years later i said "wow, where has this been"? I think the really frustrating thing for those of us who want these last "underdogs" of the top 40 era on CD... There's been SO much issued of the top 40 era already - most of it over and over again. But the top 40 collectors keep getting left in frustration that these same few lower charted [but often beloved] hits keep getting left behind. MM |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 9:11pm
It's a fantastic idea. I've always wanted to put out CDs. However, the labels don't like to license things unless they can be assured of a certain amount of units sold. Also, if they think something has potential for sales, they will sit on it or charge crazy fees. And, getting the right tapes/masters? let's not even talk about who would be in charge at this company and who would decide what/ Stereo? Mono? Song version if there is more than one? ------------- |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 9:23pm
| Well, because of all the positivity/interest in both releasing Stallion and a whole Universal comp, I was going to send a link to this post to my 2 Universal contacts and suggest they release all this stuff (as I previously mentioned). However, Ron's (crapfromthepast's) post about Stallion and Smokin' Tom Gary's post about a Universal CD are so negative against the ideas and they shoot down both ideas so explicitly and in such detail that these 2 posts alone would undo any interest I thought I'd get if I sent Universal over to this board to read this thread. So I decided against the idea. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 5:04am
I don't want to dissuade anybody from pursuing getting a song out into the public. Heck, I'd be the first in line to buy a CD with the track on it. But realistically, no one under 45 years old will know the song (ironically, probably because it's never been released on a CD and would never have gotten airplay on CD-based retro shows like mine). A "digital 45" mp3 seems like a no-brainer. Someone would have to spend an hour of studio time pulling the master tape, playing the master tape, and tidying up the file, and that's it. No cover art or liner notes to mess with. I'd certainly buy the track for a buck. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 11:10am
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Playing devil's advocate to the last post...
I am well under 45, know the Stallion song (but not from 1977), and would be the second in line to buy a CD with the song on it. iTunes and Amazon did a pretty nice job releasing those "Lost Hits of the [Decade]" compilations. I don't know how well those sell (or what the source of those songs is--- many may be vinyl), but I snatched those things up as soon as I found them. I think that a song like this (and frankly all the songs listed in the first post) would sell well enough online to justify a digital CD at the very least. They must sell enough to break even, I'd guess. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 11:29am
| Those iTunes-only "Lost Hits of the '70s" and "Lost Hits of the '80s" (each with two volumes) were released by Capitol/EMI in 2010 (before Capitol was bought by Universal) and come from their master tapes in the vaults - not vinyl. I think it would be great if Universal did the same thing - also Sony and WB. But Universal is the label most in need of something like this. They have LOTS of singles and single mixes that they've just never released in any digital format. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 5:13pm
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To Edison Lite:
I'm pretty sure that JL328 was talking about a *different* 'Lost Hits Of The...' series. Ya know, the one with Gene Redding's "This Heart" with a stylus skip... [ouch!] Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 6:52pm
| Where exactly is the skip on "This Heart"? |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 9:34am
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To EdisonLite:
I don't remember, I deleted the file! For more info search this messageboard for Gene Redding; Bill Cahill & I both commented on it a couple years back. Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 April 2013 at 11:30am
| OK, I did a search on Gene Redding (found the post by typing it into a search for "Message Body", not "Topic Subject"). In there, Mark M points out that the file has been replaced in iTunes, spotify, and everywhere with a flawless copy from master tape. I agree. I got this just a few months ago and there was no evidence of any vinyl (even when studying it closely under headphones) and nothing skipped! So I'd say EMI/Capitol replaced it - probably not because of it being from vinyl but probably because of the obvious skip that must have been on the previous file, causing many purchases to complain. |