madonna--lucky star
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Topic: madonna--lucky star
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: madonna--lucky star
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 11:51am
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anyone know if the song lucky star by madonna that is on the cd soundtrack "snatch" is the version that apears on the sire 45????......the lp version runs 5:37 and the immaculate collection version is a remix and NOT the 45 version........any info would be welcomed ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 3:43pm
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No, it's the Immaculate Collection Q-sound mix. "Lucky Star" is the only one of her singles that has never appeared on CD in its 45 version. All the others were either available on the promo CD singles or on the OOP Japanese "Madonna - CD Singles Collection."
Though it is available in a full digital version, from tape, on the digital audio track of the old "Immaculate Collection" laserdisc video, accompanying the video, of course. (It is NOT on the DVD -- they use an edit of the dance mix.) Sound quality is slightly dull, with a pretty hissy fadeout (no blackout, just fades out to hiss), but you can improve it by loading it on the PC and tweaking it. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 11:04am
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do you have the "snatch" soundtrack????.......is the version of the song on that cd anything like the 45......the running times are about the same........ ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 3:44pm
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I don't own the Snatch soundtrack, but Steven Caraco, who runs the subscription-only MadonnaCatalog.com, of which I'm a member, told me the Snatch version is the Q-sound remix, AKA The Immactulate Collection version.
The running time on the Snatch soundtrack isn't even close to the running time on the 45. The Snatch version, according to All Music, runs 3:31, which IS close to the Immaculate Collection version at 3:36. I own the 45, and the actual run time is 3:51, even though it says 3:44 on the label. The closest you'll get on CD is The Immaculate Collection. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 7:21pm
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brian, do you have the laserdisc and have your transfered the laserdisc of "lucky star" to cd? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 8:11pm
| I do have a CD copy from the laserdisc, yes. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 30 October 2007 at 10:15am
| The database contains the comment "45 version faded :09 early; remixed in Q sound." This comment should be changed to "neither the 45 nor LP version; remixed in Q sound." The edits on this version do not match the 45 version, so you cannot use it as a guide to create your own from the LP version. |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 5:33pm
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Is this the correct 45 version of the song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj65gktWx7w |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 5:49pm
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Sounds like the 45 version but faded about 10 seconds
early. My copy of the 45 version runs 3:50. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 25 November 2018 at 1:21am
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For anyone interested in re-creating the single version from the LP version (based on the above YouTube video):
Remove 0:15 - 0:23 Remove 0:22 - 0:30 Remove 2:04 - 2:20 Remove 3:09 - 3:26 Remove 3:50 - end of file ...and fade to taste. Some of these edits are rough, but they're all in the single version... it's not a remix, just a razor blade taken to the tape. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 November 2018 at 12:16pm
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You're right that it's a straight edit of the LP version, but I'm not sure if the YouTube video is 100% accurate. It looks to be someone's homemade edit based on the original 45. It may be correct, but it's hard to say what the source is. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 27 November 2018 at 5:21pm
And this is the version I created for my 45....LOL....Anybody know the correct 45 version?? |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 27 November 2018 at 6:36pm
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I'll PM you Ron. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: smallworld
Date Posted: 27 November 2018 at 7:10pm
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This video from a vinyl source has the abrupt edit circa 3:08 (about 3:17 in the video, there's 10 seconds of silence at the outset). The last audible lyric is "alright", as in "starlight, starbright you make everything alright". Is this the correct fade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fq9GLBHuhQ - Madonna - Lucky Star - 45 rpm 1983 |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 27 November 2018 at 9:57pm
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John, I'd love a copy too... just trying to get this right. :-) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 28 November 2018 at 9:50am
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I have discussed this with Aaron and he rightly pointed out that the
original 45 has a pretty abrupt edit point at about 3:08 (after the background vocals...everyting al-riiight). The YouTube video (taken from the "Celebration" compilation is a newly created edit which does have a smoother edit point since those background vocals line make the transition past the edit point, unlike the original 45. The recreated edit can be argued is a better edit but it is not the originally released 45 version. Here's one of the YouTube sources for the original edit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcRL5ZR3Bg |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 28 November 2018 at 3:19pm
On the version I created....the alright doesn't appear until 3:16....not sure if this is the celebration version or not. Nevermind.....forgot that my version has 8 seconds of silence that I never edited out so it matches the video version you provide....seems like the same.... |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 28 November 2018 at 3:32pm
I compared the two and you are right. The newer Celebration version is better edited at the 3:08 mark but it isn't the true 45 version which has a more abrupt ending in the word alright. |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 28 November 2018 at 3:47pm
| And the newer edited version has a longer fade than the 45 version. |
Posted By: Kiefer2
Date Posted: 29 July 2023 at 8:20am
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The 7" version is now available on streaming and download.
People say it is accurate, but there is some question about the fade being longer. It is remastered, but the concensus is it's not jarring. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 29 July 2023 at 12:40pm
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I'm the one that originally brought up the fade oddity,
on Madonna Infinity. No, the fade is not longer, but it's a bit louder, which indicates to me that it could be a recreated fade. The fade is louder after a certain point... it decays more slowly than the actual 45, but it stops at the same point. There is also no tape hiss audible at the very end of the song at all. Whether this is indicative of a recreation, or whether the edit was faded live on-the-fly during the first 45 mastering and all future pressings were made from the backup cutting master, necessitating a digital recreation if they were going to use the first-generation edit, I'm not sure. I have also suspected that of the digital 7" version of "Holiday," since that had a longer fadeout than the 45 but the edit points seem to be correct. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 22 March 2024 at 11:45pm
Aaron is right. I have confirmed that this particular YouTube clip is indeed someone's re-creation. They got the edit point at 3:08 just slightly off. I didn't check the other points.
That clip is a legit vinyl transfer. The fade is right but if you listen carefully (really crank it up), it actually continues slightly further. "Whatcha do to me baby" is audible, the last word almost totally buried in the noise. Total duration is about 3:49.
That clip is also an authentic vinyl transfer, but someone cut off the fade early.
In the 2023 digital release, the edit is accurate (true to the original 45). I don't think it's a reconstruction. But yes, the fade had to be redone, and its slope is not quite a perfect match for the 45. The duration of the fade is accurate, with the "whatcha do to me baby" being the last audible lyric. As for the mastering, if you set aside how brickwalled it is (DR 6), it does sound quite good. Well, it's anachronistic, but good. Since it was never released on CD, nobody in the general public ever heard it with such fidelity before now. |