otis redding respect
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Topic: otis redding respect
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: otis redding respect
Date Posted: 23 April 2013 at 5:56pm
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my commercial 45 for the otis redding song 'respect' issued
as volt 128 states the run time on the label as 2:06 but actually runs 2:04.....you'll need to do a real quick fade for 0:05 from 1:59 to 2:04 to effectively re-create the vinyl 45 version........ ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 22 April 2014 at 10:19pm
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The database states the following general comment for Otis Redding's "Respect":
(there are two different pressings of this 45, each with a different vocal take and mix) However, there is currently no indication as to which of these 45 versions appear on CD. I very recently picked up a copy of Otis Redding's Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (collector's edition) 2-CD set on Atco/Rhino 422140 and it contains four versions of "Respect" (as shown in the database):
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 April 2014 at 9:49am
| Anybody? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 05 July 2014 at 8:56pm
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Yes, they do. The 2:17 is the authentic mono Volt 45 as
originally released. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 07 July 2014 at 9:34pm
| Thank you very much for confirming this, KentT. Much appreciated! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 2:45am
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Following up on this (8 years later...), seems only ONE cd has this 2:17
version, your "Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (collector's edition)". Strange, if this is the "authentic" mono Volt 45 but all other CDs have the 2:06 version. Pop Annual uses the 2:06 timing. Todd, I think you may have err'd when you indicated that it's the 2:06 version that is the "Mono Mix Of Stereo Album Version". According to discogs, the CD back insert shows this as track 1-14 the "2:17" version. I think that track 1-02 on that CD is "a" mono 45 and mono LP version, while track 2-02 is the stereo LP version and track 1-14 is the stereo LP version in mono running longer. So, what remains is does ANYONE have a 2:17 45 and if so, what version is it? Perhaps this 2nd 45 is simply the stereo LP version (in a mono mix)? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 9:21am
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The "Mono Mix Of Stereo Album Version" (track 1-14) on that 2xCD release is also designated as "previously unreleased", for what it's worth.
YouTube rips of people playing the Volt 45: • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdx1YDeN9Q - This one (click) runs about 2:04 and has vocal "you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33 (0:38 in this video). • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDlaZeFifIQ - This one (click) runs about 2:02 and has vocal "do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33 (0:53 in this video). This matches what's on my Respect CD (Rhino 71430). Of course, no guarantees they have the playback speed right, so the durations are approximate. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 11:02am
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One more data point...
I have mono versions on some common CDs (the Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 box sets from 1985 and 1991, the Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959-1968 box from 1991, Rhino's Very Best Of from 1992, and Rhino's cheapie '60s Sixties Rock Classics Vol. 1 from 1994). These mono versions are all the "do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33 (second YouTube link above). I have stereo versions on two CDs (Warner Special Products' Otis Redding collection Ultimate from 1986, and JCI's Dance Sixties from 1988). Both of these are the "you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33 (first YouTube link above). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 11:26am
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More data points...
The stereo version ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33; first YouTube link above) is on the 1987 3-CD box set The Otis Redding Story. The liner notes are hard to read from the Discogs scan, but I think they say "An earlier mono version was released as a single August 5, 1965". The first YouTube link ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33) is for a 1968 rerelease of the 45 (Volt OS 13097), with "Pain In My Heart" as the B-side. The surface ticks and pops in the video are in mono, so we can't tell from the video if this 1968 45 is in stereo or mono. The second YouTube link ("do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33) is for the 1965 release of the 45 (Volt 128), with "Ole Man Trouble" as the B-side. I'm tentatively proposing: The common-on-CD mono version ("do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33) is the hit 45 version from 1965. The stereo version ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33) was not the hit version, and was on the 1968 rerelease of the 45. Unsure if the 1968 45 was in stereo or mono. Unsure where the stereo version came from originally (stereo LP version?) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 6:39pm
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Wow! Happy to wake up this morning to all this! thanks, guys.
I support these conclusions. Indeed, YouTube can be great for helping us get to the bottom of these anomalies by having actual 45s playing! I would also conclude that the "you can do me wrong, honey" version is the stereo LP version. I found two 45s with that "second" label on discogs, one is the 45 you mention above with "Pain In My Heart" as the b-side (https://www.discogs.com/release/11782661-Otis-Redding-Respe ct-Pain- In-My-Heart-). Discogs dates this as 1968, but I can't seem to find other 45s with that label design to compare. It's also showing (undated) with the original b-side "Ole Man Trouble" (https://www.discogs.com/release/11146797-Otis-Redding-Respe ct-Ole- Man-Trouble). p.s...sorry for the "broken" links...posting from safari has been screwy this last while. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 07 May 2022 at 6:05am
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I'm still confused...
Was the "Do me wrong", the 45, on the mono vinyl 'Otis Blue' LP and the "You can do me wrong" on the stereo version of the vinyl 'Otis Blue' LP? Thanks for any info! Andy |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 07 May 2022 at 9:25pm
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The stereo LP has "You can do me wrong", and the opening bars have a loud shaker + quiet crash cymbal on every beat, instead of loud cymbal and no shaker.
My understanding is that the mono LP has the original single version with "do me wrong", loud cymbal, no shaker. I don't have any of the original-era records to verify. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 11 June 2022 at 5:57am
Second 45 is original label, the first pressing is a later label design. My example used for reference is also a PL (Plastic Products) pressing from Memphis, TN, which is what Tennessee and Georgia 45 buyers got. The second pressing using the original label is when versions were switched. I also have one of those pressings, also from PL (Plastic Products). That copy is the same audio as that later label design. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
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