Santana- "No One To Depend On"
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Topic: Santana- "No One To Depend On"
Posted By: john halloran
Subject: Santana- "No One To Depend On"
Date Posted: 10 March 2006 at 4:53pm
For those of you who have been waiting, the new SonyMusic release of "Santana III-Legacy Edition" does include the long awaited 45 version of "No One to Depend On". First time on disc.
This is significant as a marked departure for Sony/Legacy/Columbia/Epic, the main offender in refusing to release 45 versions and dj edits as extras on the numerous compilation discs they market, but were the label(s) most prolific at issuing 45 edits at the time (60s, 70s).
Here's hoping they continue with Loggins and Messina Legacy editions, or maybe a stand-alone volume(s) of all the numerous edits and alternate 45 versions they released back in the day (I know,I'm dreaming).
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 10 March 2006 at 5:19pm
Excellent find, John. Just downloaded it off of iTunes.
Now, they need to do the same for "Oye Como Va" (never been issued) and the true 45s of "Hold On" and "You Know That I Love You" (I believe those 45s are gettable but with extended endings).
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 March 2006 at 8:54pm
I'm not sure I'm familiar with the 45 version of "No One to Depend On". Is it an edit of the LP version, or is it a different mix?
By the way, the following Santana hits can be found in their correct 45 version form and length on the group's The Ultimate Collection Dutch import 3-CD set (Sony Music Media SMMTV12):
"She's Not There" - 3:13
"You Know That I Love You" - 3:28
"Hold On" - 3:51
The CD package claims the contents of this three disc set are "all original re-mastered single versions". This is not correct though because many of the songs on here are LP versions. This best-of collection is still in print and can be purchased new for less than $20 on retail websites like half.com.
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Posted By: john halloran
Date Posted: 14 March 2006 at 5:20pm
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It IS an edit of the LP version, with a two second loop from the instrumental break in the middle of the song at the beginning of the record. However, the ending is a cold two-note sting, whereas the LP version used an echo effect of the sting, and faded it over the following track on the LP. I don't know how you'll recreate the ending.
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 14 March 2006 at 10:42pm
One can recreate the ending of the single edit with the lp version by doing what Columbia did--put a reverb blast on the last two notes (excising the seven echo trails).
Andy
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 14 March 2025 at 10:05am
There appears to be a short version with a listed time of 3:42 on a 1972 Columbia promo 45. The flip side is the longer LP version (listed at 5:25).
https://www.45cat.com/record/4s45552 - https://www.45cat.com/record/4s45552
I've never heard the 3:42 version. Anyone have this rarity?
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Santi Paradoa
Miami, Florida
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 14 March 2025 at 4:01pm
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Given that there doesn't seem to be a listing anywhere on the Discogs website of this alleged "No One to Depend On" promo 45 release with a 3:42 run time listing, this would seem to suggest that this pressing is extremely rare, if it even really exists at all. Nonetheless, I'm sure our resident message board sleuths will be keeping a sharp eye out for a copy and reporting back if and when they can furnish any additional information.
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Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 14 March 2025 at 4:42pm
Looks like this is a 3:13 promo. There are also other posts on YouTube with
the stock 45 at 3:13.
https://youtu.be/nEdhwo8Mfto?si=fGP5ZOH_NenrxSOM
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 15 March 2025 at 4:40am
That does appear to be quite the rarity. I too would love
to hear it someday!
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 March 2025 at 5:51am
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the alleged 45 pressing with the printed 3:42 label time were to actually just contain the common 3:13 version and length. Perhaps this could have possibly been a test pressing in which only a very limited number of copies were made?
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 15 March 2025 at 6:34am
I have 2 promo 45s of this song, a mono/stereo 3:13 and a mono 3:13/5:25. Both of mine are on the older (60s style) Columbia label.
The matrix # of both mono 3:13 versions is JZSP156309-1x. The suffix letter on the mono/stereo 3:13 is C, on the
3:13/5:25 is B.
The 3:42 copy on the 45cat link's matrix is JZSP 154937, so it could very well be a unique edit.
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 March 2025 at 12:23pm
Judging from the matrix, the 3:42 copy came first? Maybe
they decided to shorten it for release later. Dunno.
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Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 17 March 2025 at 1:30pm
This Japan copy on eBay of No One To Depend On has a listed time of 3:22.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393335968301?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid
=711-127632-2357-
0&ssspo=uB7y_LszTru&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=art emis
&media=COPY
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 18 March 2025 at 1:54pm
That Japan single is also listed on 45cat: https://www.45cat.com/record/sopa6 - https://www.45cat.com/record/sopa6
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Santi Paradoa
Miami, Florida
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